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Someone, we dont know who sent a drone overour culdesac, an hour later, three cars and a garage were broken into.

They are going to finish last, no problem. But whomever they fire is not responsible for this mess.

Next will be someone getting fired, which wont help.

I am old enough. Plus. But this team has a sick feeling about it, and has had it since day one.

This could go down as one of the worst days in jays history.

Thx

could someone give the score pls.

MLB seems to think that if they shorten the game, it will attract new fans. That it will get those fans that have the attention span of a gnat and cant possibly spend two or three hours enjoying something. But cutting 8-10minutes from a game wont make a bit of difference. What will keep fans flocking to the game is to invest their time and money into youth baseball. Make it so reasonable that every kid can afford it. Build little league parks everywhere. Help families with the price of the equipmant. If kids play they will become fans.

But now, that there is still a shot at a wildcard, you think they should throw it away? There is never a guarantee of anything when it comes to playoff spots and you know that. If that was really the case, then they should have gone into the winter selling every asset they had. Why can't Shapiro do both? By signing Bautista, they are taking a chance, but it is only money. Yes, they will lose a draft pick that you might not see at the majors ever. But it also will give them a chance to add some offense that they have lost. Shouldn't he be trying to build the very best team that he can put on the field right now? Unless they are throwing in the towel, and going to rebuild, which there has been no indication that they are doing, it is his job to try and get this team back to the playoffs. And that is my point right from the beginning.

and my opinion has not changed. but didn't see any bashing there.

Show me where I bashed anyone. What I said then was, the same thing that I am saying now. You can not run your club always sending off your stars, in the hope that the "prospects" will somehow be better. I agreed with what AA did. Did I see that this would happen. Of course, anyone can look at a farm system that was decimated and know that the day of reckoning was coming. But the question was two years ago and the same question applies now. Was it worth it? The prospect whores won't agree, they never do. There is a sense to this board that we will keep building and building to get those non stop elusive years and years of contention. You don't think every single team in baseball wouldn't like that? But ask the fans that were at those games. Ask the sponsors who saw the ratings through the roof. Ask anyone that caught the excitement of the Jays for the first time. And although most on this board don't give anyone but themselves credit for understanding what exactly was being done to achieve that success, they were willing to pay the price. Would we be better to have never made any of AA's trades and not had the previous two years? We would have some very good pieces of course, but could we beat the Indians or the Red Sox this year? Would any of those new fans, say, no, I would rather wait for three to five years. No one can say for sure. Not even the experts. I said at the beginning of this, that there will be a shitstorm and nothing has changed. I don't like Shapiro and never made any secret of it. Did he get lucky with a few pieces, Bagnini etc. Of course, everyone does. But I have not complained about what he has done so far. And I did not say that I would be part of the shitstorm. This team still has a chance this year, and as far as I am concerned, what Shapiro has done so far is not good enough. If you think it is, so be it. At the end of the offseason, everyone can judge for themselves.

where in my first posting did I say that I even wanted Bautista or Encarnacion. What I said was there was going to be a shitstorm if Shatkins allows this team to become irrelevant while becoming younger. And that statement is absolutely correct. Of course the team needs to become younger. Every team except the red sox needs to become younger. But younger does not always mean better. If younger and supposedly better is what this team wants, then they should have done what the Yankees have done and told their fans, this team is unsustainable and this is what we are going to do about it. Unfortunately all those thousands of new fans that have come along, will disappear. There are enough pieces still on this team that they have at least one more run in them with some additions. And so far none of the additions have been impressive. Pearce, Smoak ?? There have been no additions to the bullpen, which is sorely lacking and the outfield looks desolate. Will it improve before the off season is over, I hope so. While the team is waiting 3-5 years to perhaps (no guarantee) to become relevant again, the seniors and middle age fans approx. 20,000 per game that supported this team will have died or moved on. Now you have no middle aged nor young fans and they will be starting from the start to try and build a fan base. I actually for the record did not want Encarnacion back, but they made a mistake not signing him when his price dropped so low. As far as Bautista, I believe that he should be signed to a one year contract at a little over QO, to assuage his ego. IMO he will have a bigger year this year than EE. Then if they come the break and they are out of it, go all in. But they won't be stocking the upper echelons of the farm, they will probably be starting near the bottom.

Pardon me? I thought this was a message board. Just because you don't like my opinion and I am not one of those slathering over Shatkins, doesn't mean I haven't a clue about how baseball teams are built. If you don't like my opinion, dispute it, otherwise, bug off.

Jays are losing both, no matter the semantics. If the new regime that allows a team that was twice a step away from the world series to drift off into irrelevance again because they want to get younger, they should be in a shitstorm. I know this board loves them and what they are doing, but the goal for any team is to make the playoffs, then the world series and hopefully win one. And so far their moves are less than impressive towards that goal.

Merry Christmas to everyone that is a fan of baseball and the Jays. Give your loved ones an extra hug today!!!

Shapiro said yesterday on PTS, that they all sat down with their stat guys, and everyone had input.

Come on Jays, end this!!!

Thank goodness for carrera

"So that beautiful roster that AA put together and left high and dry so he didn't have to deal with the aftermath: this is it. They look old and tired compared to the Red Sox. Or just maybe if those geniuses from cleveland had done something to fix the bullpen, they wouldnt even be in this position.

Dont know exactly what you like to do, but always have a great time in Seattle. Great shopping, lots of good restaurants and pubs. Theatre if you like shows. Seahawks game is always a fun time. They have two games in sept. Salmon fishing is great in september. You can get a fishing charter any day of the week. Pike's Place market is always fun. If you are staying downtown, it is expensive, but you can walk just about everywhere. If you have a car, Point Defiance zoo, is terrific. It is about an hour south of seattle.

According to the centre for missing children, more than 800 children have been returned !!

Does anyone have any stats that show that starting out of the pen in high leverage situations is worse than just starting him for five innings? Or is it all just guesswork?

While I was not pleased with the hire, or the methods used by Rogers, must admit that he comes across, as very knowledgeable, well spoken, and seems to have a plan. Liked his handling of Dunedin and their plans there.

While I am not going to get into the pros of marijuana, medical or otherwise. I will tell you that dying of lung cancer, is a hideous way to die. And most medical reports now seem to hold that smoking or exposure to second hand smoke is the leading cause. I know that when you are young, a few years of your life expectancy seems like nothing. But when you are 68, they are very important. My husband went from a healthy, active 230 lb, giant of a man. In eight weeks, he lost 40 lbs, was dragging an oxygen hose everywhere, and was a shadow of his former self. The pain was excruciating. Please do not smoke!!!!

Merry christmas to all. Never forget to tell those close to you, that you love them.