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    BREAKING: Vladimir Guerrero Jr. Won’t Sign Extension With Blue Jays


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    Vladimir Guerrero Jr. spoke to reporters on Tuesday morning, his deadline for negotiations, and confirmed that no deal had been reached.

    Well, you can finally stop holding your breath. As promised, Vladimir Guerrero Jr. met with reporters at 8:00 AM on the morning of Tuesday, February 18, his spring training deadline for extension talks with the Blue Jays. Revealing that calls between the two parties stretched to 10:30 on Monday night, Guerrero said, “They had their numbers; I had my numbers.” And just like that, any hope of Guerrero signing an extension with the Blue Jays has been extinguished. Guerrero wants to focus on baseball during spring training and the regular season, so he will go into his contract year with everything to prove. The news ratchets up the uncertainty even further for a Blue Jays team that spent heavily during the offseason, but still ended up with a team that needs a lot to break right in order to have a chance at the playoffs.

    As Guerrero is entering his age-26 season as one of the most feared sluggers in the game, his numbers are surely quite large. In the coming days and weeks, it’s possible that we’ll learn more about the specifics of the numbers that the Blue Jays proposed as the deadline. Back in December, Guerrero told reporters that the Blue Jays had made him an offer in the area of $340 million, and that it was “not even close to what we are looking for.” He also said that after his excellent 2021 season, the team offered him a seven-year, $150-million extension. Asked on Tuesday morning whether the Blue Jays were close to his number, Guerrero simply said, “No.” He also said, “I know my value.”

    After Juan Soto’s record-shattering 15-year, $765-million deal with the Mets, it’s hard to fault Guerrero for having a better sense of his value. While Soto occupies an echelon of his own – his 158 wRC+ is well above Guerrero’s still-excellent 137 – his age and prowess as a slugger still make him the best comparison for Guerrero’s contract situation. Soto entered free agency before his age-26 season, while Guerrero will do so before his age-27 season. Both players are extremely one-sided, providing excellent world-class offense and some of the game’s worst defense and baserunning. It’s a recipe for a long contract, and if the Blue Jays hope to retain Guerrero, they’ll now have to compete with the rest of the league.

    For those of you who’d like to panic, the New York Post’s Jon Heyman has already posted a top three list of Guerrero’s potential landing spots, “1. Red Sox 2. Mets (assuming Pete opts out) 3. Yankees.” However, Guerrero made it clear, as he has throughout the process, that he hasn’t closed any windows and would like to be a Blue Jay for life, saying "I will do anything, everything I can to stay here because I want to be here." He also made it clear that money isn't his only concern. "Winning team," he told reporters. "That’s what I’ll be looking for in free agency. As you guys know, my dad played a lot of years. He never won a World Series. My personal goal is to win a World Series and give the ring to my dad."

    We’ll update this story later this morning, when Ross Atkins and Mark Shapiro will address reporters about the situation.

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    2 minutes ago, Vladdywagon said:

    How is that a mic drop?  Do you not know maths?

    4.8 WAR for Vlad vs 6.5 for Soto would mean Vlad deserves $565 million compared to Sotos $765 million if you use the predicted WAR ratio, which I'm assuming what BTS was trying to show or why did he bring that up?

     

    So by BTS (and your) logic, Jays should have been willing to offer him $565 million if they were willing to pay Soto $765 million.

    Thanks for making my point.  That if the Jays were willing to give Soto the moon, they should have been willing to meet Vlads asking price, unless he was asking for more than $565 million.

    Now use career WAR...

    5 hours ago, Spanky99 said:

    Yup, that was the time to sell the Bassitt's, Gausman's, Bo's, Vlad's of the world and they'd be very far ahead of the game on a rebuild, they decided to compete, it is what it is. Vlad not signing the extension changes nothing. If someone offers up a package for Vlad it'd have to help the team immediately. Next chance might be the deadline, but the season would have to have gone tits up for that to occur.

    We'll see GO JAYS GO, baby! 😎

    Lots of people were calling for this rebuild then and you ripped them for saying it if I recall.

    So yeah...

    17 minutes ago, Vladdywagon said:

    How is that a mic drop?  Do you not know maths?

    4.8 WAR for Vlad vs 6.5 for Soto would mean Vlad deserves $565 million compared to Sotos $765 million if you use the predicted WAR ratio, which I'm assuming what BTS was trying to show or why did he bring that up?

    Thanks for making my point.

    I'd be willing to bet he wasn't asking that much.  My guess is he wanted $450 million, which if they were willing to go 765 for Soto but not meet his ask, it's a slap in the face.

    Do you not know Maths or reading comprehension? He posted career #'s you 🦤

    Laika's graph made you look even more foolish, so there's that.

    29 minutes ago, Vladdywagon said:

    How is that a mic drop?  Do you not know maths?

    4.8 WAR for Vlad vs 6.5 for Soto would mean Vlad deserves $565 million compared to Sotos $765 million if you use the predicted WAR ratio, which I'm assuming what BTS was trying to show or why did he bring that up?

    Thanks for making my point.

    I'd be willing to bet he wasn't asking that much.  My guess is he wanted $450 million, which if they were willing to go 765 for Soto but not meet his ask, it's a slap in the face.

    So is a 1 WAR player worth $117.69 million? That's how it works right?

    Someone needs to slap Vlad with a fish and tell him and his agent that this s*** is not linear and superstar players capable of 8+ WAR seasons enter a different planet of calculations entirely. Compare deez. 

     

    7 minutes ago, Spanky99 said:

    BTS posted it, dEaN is confused.

    It's funny that you think I am Dean and are trying to insult me by spelling it like that.  Why am I supposed to be offended by that?  I have no idea who Dean is, so it doesn't bother me one bit.  You have no idea who I am or what I am about.

    And why are you even trying to poke fun at anyone?  You're the easiest person to insult here, if one wanted to.  There's so much I could say about you, but I choose not to.

     

    3 minutes ago, Laika said:

    So is a 1 WAR player worth $117.69 million? That's how it works right?

    Someone needs to slap Vlad with a fish and tell him and his agent that this s*** is not linear and superstar players capable of 8+ WAR seasons enter a different planet of calculations entirely. Compare deez. 

     

    I think you need to go back and read BTS' original reply to me to get it.  Do I really need to spell it out for you?

    On 2/18/2025 at 1:39 PM, BTS said:

    Soto (ZiPS + Steamer) projects for 6.5 fWAR next year. Vlad is at 4.8. These are their respective career stats:

    # Name Team G
     
     
    PA
     
     
    HR
     
     
    R
     
     
    RBI
     
     
    SB
     
     
    BB%
     
     
    K%
     
     
    ISO
     
     
    BABIP
     
     
    AVG
     
     
    OBP
     
     
    SLG
     
     
    wOBA
     
     
    xwOBA
     
     
    wRC+
     
     
    BsR
     
     
    Off
     
     
    Def
     
     
    WAR
     
     
    1 Juan Soto 3 Tms 936 4088 201 655 592 57 18.8% 17.0% .248 .305 .285 .421 .532 .404   158 -9.8 280.7 -55.0 36.3
    2 Vladimir Guerrero Jr. TOR 819 3540 160 475 507 20 9.9% 15.6% .213 .304 .288 .363 .500 .367   137 -14.8 139.8 -91.5 17.0

     

     

    This is for Laika who apparently can't read and comprehend.

    BTS replied (the above quote) to my post where I suggested Soto was the best hitter in the game but Vlad wasn't that far off.  My argument being that if Soto is worth 765 million Vlad should be worth 450+.

    His post clearly shows they have similar counting stats other than runs and walks per at bat over their careers.  He listed Vlad as projected for 4.8 WAR and Soto for 6.5 to show how much better Soto is expected to be. 

    Now if you divide the projected WAR for next year4.8/6.5 you get a ratio of 0.738.  meaning Vlad is projecting for roughly 74% of the WAR that Soto is for next season.

    So if we can agree that Vlad is approximately 74% of Soto which doesn't seem far off, (and this is using BTS' own numbers) then the logic of the Jays offering Soto 765 million, they should be willing to offer Vlad 74% of that which would be $565 million.

    I highly doubt Vlad was asking that much.  I'd be willing to bet his number started with a 4.

    It's a slap in the face if they wouldn't meet his number after offering Soto that much.

     

    CRAYON DROP.

    4 minutes ago, Vladdywagon said:

    This is for Laika who apparently can't read and comprehend.

    BTS replied (the above quote) to my post where I suggested Soto was the best hitter in the game but Vlad wasn't that far off.  My argument being that if Soto is worth 765 million Vlad should be worth 450+.

    His post clearly shows they have similar counting stats other than runs and walks per at bat over their careers.  He listed Vlad as projected for 4.8 WAR and Soto for 6.5 to show how much better Soto is expected to be. 

    Now if you divide the projected WAR for next year4.8/6.5 you get a ratio of 0.738.  meaning Vlad is projecting for roughly 74% of the WAR that Soto is for next season.

    So if we can agree that Vlad is approximately 74% of Soto which doesn't seem far off, (and this is using BTS' own numbers) then the logic of the Jays offering Soto 765 million, they should be willing to offer Vlad 74% of that which would be $565 million.

    I highly doubt Vlad was asking that much.  I'd be willing to bet his number started with a 4.

    It's a slap in the face if they wouldn't meet his number after offering Soto that much.

     

    CRAYON DROP.

    LMAO okay now go back and read my post where I said "so is a 1 WAR player worth $117.69 million?"

    Do you get it yet? Do you know what linear means? 

     

    On 2/18/2025 at 1:36 PM, thatoneguy said:

    I mean he was easily a top 2-3 reason why those teams went to the WS.

     

    On 2/18/2025 at 1:36 PM, Rusty_Savage said:

    Do you know what Vlad's demands were or are you just assuming?

     

    On 2/18/2025 at 1:38 PM, Jonn said:

    Paying a 1B who should actually be a DH $450 million would have the potential to be franchise crippling. I doubt the Jays even entertained anything over $400. They were probably comfortable in the 300-325 range and pushed it to 350 to try to get it done. I think the contract if agreed to will look like 10-years 375 with deferred money.

    People thinking he will get 450-500 million are insane. Unless he starts playing 3B again and can legit stay there.

     

     

    On 2/18/2025 at 1:39 PM, BTS said:

    Soto (ZiPS + Steamer) projects for 6.5 fWAR next year. Vlad is at 4.8. These are their respective career stats:

    # Name Team G
     
     
    PA
     
     
    HR
     
     
    R
     
     
    RBI
     
     
    SB
     
     
    BB%
     
     
    K%
     
     
    ISO
     
     
    BABIP
     
     
    AVG
     
     
    OBP
     
     
    SLG
     
     
    wOBA
     
     
    xwOBA
     
     
    wRC+
     
     
    BsR
     
     
    Off
     
     
    Def
     
     
    WAR
     
     
    1 Juan Soto 3 Tms 936 4088 201 655 592 57 18.8% 17.0% .248 .305 .285 .421 .532 .404   158 -9.8 280.7 -55.0 36.3
    2 Vladimir Guerrero Jr. TOR 819 3540 160 475 507 20 9.9% 15.6% .213 .304 .288 .363 .500 .367   137 -14.8 139.8 -91.5 17.0

     

    On 2/18/2025 at 1:41 PM, Orgfiller said:

    Soto has over double the career WAR that Vladdy has. Career wRC+ of 158 vs Vlad's 137. Career worst season was 3.7 WAR with a 146 wRC+, Vlad's (one year ago btw) was 1 WAR with a 118 wRC+. He's also a better baserunner - bad nonetheless, but not league worst - and defender - also bad, but not league worst.

    Soto is at least a tier above Vladdy. He rakes at a level of an all-time great, at his worst he's better than an average Vlad season.

     

    On 2/18/2025 at 1:42 PM, Laika said:

    fWAR since Vlad debuted in MLB. C'mon my dudes. Relax. We have been there his entire career, we should all know how frustrating he has been for large swathes of that. 

    # Name Team G
     
     
    PA
     
     
    HR
     
     
    R
     
     
    RBI
     
     
    SB
     
     
    BB%
     
     
    K%
     
     
    ISO
     
     
    BABIP
     
     
    AVG
     
     
    OBP
     
     
    SLG
     
     
    wOBA
     
     
    xwOBA
     
     
    wRC+
     
     
    BsR
     
     
    Off
     
     
    Def
     
     
    WAR
     
     
    1 Aaron Judge NYY 679 2963 227 508 514 36 15.8% 26.4% .330 .339 .294 .409 .624 .428   181 -2.2 278.7 -18.4 36.7
    2 Juan Soto 3 Tms 797 3492 175 565 505 50 19.2% 16.3% .252 .300 .285 .424 .537 .407   161 -10.9 249.6 -46.9 32.1
    3 Francisco Lindor 2 Tms 796 3504 149 514 458 114 8.8% 17.9% .205 .284 .264 .337 .469 .344   121 7.0 94.3 94.8 31.5
    4 Mookie Betts 2 Tms 711 3236 157 574 429 77 11.9% 14.7% .244 .294 .287 .376 .531 .385   145 9.0 190.2 -1.7 30.2
    5 José Ramírez CLE 786 3388 166 503 547 143 10.1% 12.6% .246 .273 .277 .352 .523 .364   136 23.0 168.4 13.0 30.1
    6 Freddie Freeman 2 Tms 820 3614 151 592 533 61 12.0% 15.9% .222 .337 .309 .399 .532 .392   149 4.3 224.4 -47.4 29.9
    7 Trea Turner 3 Tms 761 3397 125 536 409 151 6.5% 18.6% .192 .339 .299 .349 .491 .358   126 34.9 145.8 24.1 28.4
    8 Marcus Semien 3 Tms 832 3786 159 569 458 75 9.4% 16.4% .206 .273 .258 .330 .465 .340   118 11.9 95.9 38.4 26.5
    9 Shohei Ohtani 2 Tms 761 3235 203 503 506 135 12.2% 25.2% .295 .325 .281 .372 .576 .393   153 15.5 220.6 -75.9 25.8
    10 Alex Bregman HOU 727 3185 129 458 443 11 12.4% 12.6% .206 .269 .267 .364 .473 .359   133 -12.3 114.0 23.3 24.7
    11 Corey Seager 2 Tms 647 2809 144 404 431 9 9.1% 16.6% .240 .297 .285 .353 .525 .369   138 -5.5 121.9 24.9 24.2
    12 Jose Altuve HOU 677 3025 123 497 328 66 9.0% 15.5% .198 .312 .290 .360 .489 .364   136 1.3 131.3 3.7 24.1
    13 Xander Bogaerts 2 Tms 746 3179 108 436 385 57 9.0% 17.7% .178 .331 .295 .361 .472 .357   126 9.8 109.8 19.8 23.7
    14 Nolan Arenado 2 Tms 780 3276 151 404 499 14 7.8% 14.2% .212 .283 .278 .336 .490 .348   118 -4.4 68.7 54.5 23.6
    15 Rafael Devers BOS 775 3384 169 510 535 21 8.6% 20.7% .244 .318 .285 .352 .529 .368   132 -5.8 122.8 -2.2 23.6
    16 Manny Machado SDP 785 3345 163 457 527 45 9.0% 18.2% .217 .295 .276 .341 .493 .352   127 -4.2 104.4 14.1 23.4
    17 Yordan Alvarez HOU 629 2668 164 412 466 8 11.9% 20.0% .285 .322 .298 .390 .583 .406   166 -10.7 198.0 -59.0 23.3
    18 Bryce Harper PHI 701 3016 147 457 440 64 14.3% 22.0% .249 .331 .286 .391 .535 .388   145 -1.8 167.8 -36.6 23.2
    19 Ronald Acuña Jr. ATL 587 2660 133 487 337 178 11.5% 21.5% .231 .330 .288 .380 .518 .382   140 25.2 158.8 -17.6 22.8
    20 J.T. Realmuto PHI 674 2739 106 369 365 65 7.3% 23.3% .198 .316 .266 .330 .464 .339   113 12.6 55.6 76.7 22.5
    21 Dansby Swanson 2 Tms 781 3294 112 453 409 68 8.6% 24.9% .171 .313 .254 .322 .426 .323   103 16.3 28.6 83.1 22.4
    22 Matt Olson 2 Tms 827 3563 206 492 584 6 11.8% 23.4% .260 .283 .257 .351 .517 .365   134 -8.9 140.9 -49.4 21.5
    23 Ketel Marte ARI 677 2882 115 411 367 31 9.6% 16.0% .218 .314 .291 .363 .509 .370   133 4.2 122.6 -6.7 21.4
    24 Matt Chapman 3 Tms 766 3185 136 432 378 25 10.7% 27.8% .213 .287 .233 .322 .446 .330   113 2.7 53.8 46.7 21.1
    25 Paul Goldschmidt STL 812 3474 144 476 458 45 11.0% 22.8% .202 .330 .278 .359 .480 .360   130 0.9 128.8 -47.2 20.3
    26 Willy Adames 2 Tms 771 3197 139 412 434 45 9.7% 26.9% .205 .301 .246 .320 .451 .331   110 2.3 43.4 45.5 19.9
    27 Austin Riley ATL 719 3042 153 426 429 5 7.8% 25.7% .230 .324 .272 .338 .502 .357   124 -2.9 86.9 -6.0 18.5
    28 Brandon Nimmo NYM 648 2799 84 383 289 29 12.3% 20.8% .174 .313 .263 .366 .437 .352   127 2.5 96.3 -7.4 18.4
    29 Bryan Reynolds PIT 790 3334 122 432 411 38 9.2% 21.9% .194 .326 .276 .351 .469 .351   120 -0.5 82.9 -26.7 17.1
    30 Vladimir Guerrero Jr. TOR 819 3540 160 475 507 20 9.9% 15.6% .213 .304 .288 .363 .500 .367   137 -14.8 139.8 -91.5 17.0

     

    On 2/18/2025 at 1:46 PM, Eat My Shatkins said:

    Nice to see some sense in this thread. The money Vlad is asking for is insane, and people want to chastise the FO for not giving it to him? 

    Life will go on if the overweight 1B who can't play D or base run walks in FA. Sure, when he's on he can hit, but when he's off he brings nothing else to the table.

     

    On 2/18/2025 at 1:47 PM, Orgfiller said:

    If you remove the PA qualifier to 0 this actually adds 10 more names to the list in front of Vlad. Also I f***ing love not only that the table copies so neatly, but it keeps all the hyperlinks to guy's pages. This new forum rocks.

    Should be noted that Vlad is the second worst defender in this sample behind Kyle Schwarber, and is the 11th worst baserunner behind mostly 30+ year old catchers, old 1B, Alejandro Kirk, and Yandy Diaz.

     

    On 2/18/2025 at 2:06 PM, Vancouverite said:

    i started posting on this board after being a long-time reader for 15+ years just to say my piece that best course of action is to trade Vladdy!

    In his 6 MLB seasons he has 2 great seasons of 6.3 WAR and 5.5 WAR. A decent season of 3.3 WAR and 3 other seasons of 1.3, 0.3 and 0.3 WAR.

    He's not that good defensively

    He's a 1B

    He is one of the worst base runners in the league

    He's not athletic

    and the guy probably wants somewhere between 450-550 million contract.

    Trade this guy ... he's full of himself. he's all about me me me, all about vladdy. I've been saying this all off-season.

    I really do hope the BoSoxs or Mets decide to give this guy an albatross of a contract to f*** over their team for the next decade.

     

    56 minutes ago, Vladdywagon said:

    How is that a mic drop?  Do you not know maths?

    4.8 WAR for Vlad vs 6.5 for Soto would mean Vlad deserves $565 million compared to Sotos $765 million if you use the predicted WAR ratio, which I'm assuming what BTS was trying to show or why did he bring that up?

    Thanks for making my point.

    I'd be willing to bet he wasn't asking that much.  My guess is he wanted $450 million, which if they were willing to go 765 for Soto but not meet his ask, it's a slap in the face.

    All those posts above directed at you and copious other comments railing on Vlad and you choose "Mic Drop" to reply to myself... are you pIsTdEaNmIkE??? 😅🦤

    4 minutes ago, Laika said:

    LMAO okay now go back and read my post where I said "so is a 1 WAR player worth $117.69 million?"

    Do you get it yet? Do you know what linear means? 

     

    Please, for me because I'm so dumb:

    Break down how you get $117 million per WAR from my math?

    33 minutes ago, Vladdywagon said:

    It's funny that you think I am Dean and are trying to insult me by spelling it like that.  Why am I supposed to be offended by that?  I have no idea who Dean is, so it doesn't bother me one bit.  You have no idea who I am or what I am about.

    And why are you even trying to poke fun at anyone?  You're the easiest person to insult here, if one wanted to.  There's so much I could say about you, but I choose not to.

     

    K..... dEaNmIkEsPiSt

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    1 hour ago, Vladdywagon said:

    How is that a mic drop?  Do you not know maths?

    4.8 WAR for Vlad vs 6.5 for Soto would mean Vlad deserves $565 million compared to Sotos $765 million if you use the predicted WAR ratio, which I'm assuming what BTS was trying to show or why did he bring that up?

    Thanks for making my point.

    I'd be willing to bet he wasn't asking that much.  My guess is he wanted $450 million, which if they were willing to go 765 for Soto but not meet his ask, it's a slap in the face.

    Go compare these guy's careers and I suspect you'd understand why Vlad hasn't earned anywhere close to what Soto was paid in free agency. 

    Vlad has produced a total of 17 FWAR in his career in 3540 PA, good for an average of 3.125 FWAR per 650 PA. Contrast that with Soto who has produced 36.3 FWAR in 4088 PA, good for 5.77 FWAR per 650 PA. Soto has been much more consistent to the point where he has produced over twice the wins above replacement with only about a single season of extra playing time.

    Based on what these guys have respectively accomplished in their careers up to this point there is no conceivable way that Vlad has earned even half of what Soto was just paid. We don't even know what Vlad was asking for, but there could be a hint from David Ortiz who posted that Vlad was worth a 13 year/$585 million contract. If Vlad is actually looking for these types of numbers it should come as no surprise that the team balked at these demands.

    39 minutes ago, Vladdywagon said:

    Please, for me because I'm so dumb:

    Break down how you get $117 million per WAR from my math?

    1 WAR divided by 6.5 WAR = 15.4% 

    15.4% of 765M = $117.81M

    THEREFOR AND IN CONCLUSION
    BY USING THE SOTO VLAD LOGIC
    A ONE WAR BASEBALL PLAYER DESERVES A $117.81 MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT 

    5 hours ago, Jimcanuck said:

    Nothing wrong with a 2 year lull, while the team is retooled / rebuilt.  The Red Sox are coming out of one, and look like a good bet for WC or even win ALE.

    True but their path would most resemble the Jays resigning Vlad (like they did with Devers) and making mid tier FA signings. They never went full rebuild. 

    On 2/18/2025 at 9:36 AM, Vladdywagon said:

    How can anyone blame Vlad here?

    He's said for years he's wanted to play his entire career here.  This front office has never seriously tried to sign him.  Their only attempt was an insulting offer.

    These guys offered Soto and Ohtani 700+ million.  There's no way Vlad asked for that kind of money, but obviously he deserves 400+ if they offered Soto 700+.

    This is all on the F/O.  Just add it to the top of a long list of screw ups.

    How do you know they never tried to sign himand Vladdy can say that he wants to play here, but do we really know that. Btw, 2 years ago many on this site would have given Vladdy away for a bag of balls. Look at the big picture.

     

    2 hours ago, max silver said:

    Go compare these guy's careers and I suspect you'd understand why Vlad hasn't earned anywhere close to what Soto was paid in free agency. 

    Vlad has produced a total of 17 FWAR in his career in 3540 PA, good for an average of 3.125 FWAR per 650 PA. Contrast that with Soto who has produced 36.3 FWAR in 4088 PA, good for 5.77 FWAR per 650 PA. Soto has been much more consistent to the point where he has produced over twice the wins above replacement with only about a single season of extra playing time.

    Based on what these guys have respectively accomplished in their careers up to this point there is no conceivable way that Vlad has earned even half of what Soto was just paid. We don't even know what Vlad was asking for, but there could be a hint from David Ortiz who posted that Vlad was worth a 13 year/$585 million contract. If Vlad is actually looking for these types of numbers it should come as no surprise that the team balked at these demands.

    That's great that you think that.  But the system doesn't agree.  Which is why Vlad got nearly what Soto got in Arb the last few years.

    1 hour ago, Laika said:

    1 WAR divided by 6.5 WAR = 15.4% 

    15.4% of 765M = $117.81M

    THEREFOR AND IN CONCLUSION
    BY USING THE SOTO VLAD LOGIC
    A ONE WAR BASEBALL PLAYER DESERVES A $117.81 MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT 

    You're just trolling now.  You can't possibly think anyone was implying $765 million for a total of 6.5 WAR.  

    2 hours ago, max silver said:

    Go compare these guy's careers and I suspect you'd understand why Vlad hasn't earned anywhere close to what Soto was paid in free agency. 

    Vlad has produced a total of 17 FWAR in his career in 3540 PA, good for an average of 3.125 FWAR per 650 PA. Contrast that with Soto who has produced 36.3 FWAR in 4088 PA, good for 5.77 FWAR per 650 PA. Soto has been much more consistent to the point where he has produced over twice the wins above replacement with only about a single season of extra playing time.

    Based on what these guys have respectively accomplished in their careers up to this point there is no conceivable way that Vlad has earned even half of what Soto was just paid. We don't even know what Vlad was asking for, but there could be a hint from David Ortiz who posted that Vlad was worth a 13 year/$585 million contract. If Vlad is actually looking for these types of numbers it should come as no surprise that the team balked at these demands.

    Guerrero was awarded 28.5 million in his final year of Arb.

    Soto, the year prior was awarded 31.5 million for his final year.  

    These are numbers are based on what they actually did.

    The system thinks they are worth very close to the same.  Closer than I even do.  I feel that Vlad is 2/3 to 3/4 of Soto, which I think is fair.

    Personally I don't think Soto is worth $765 million.

    But if he is, the Vlad should be worth 450 easily.

     

    1 hour ago, spats said:

    How do you know they never tried to sign himand Vladdy can say that he wants to play here, but do we really know that. Btw, 2 years ago many on this site would have given Vladdy away for a bag of balls. Look at the big picture.

     

    Big picture has him as one of the best players in MLB.

     

    https://jaysjournal.com/vladimir-guerrero-jr-listed-in-surprising-spot-in-mlb-network-s-top-100-01jmc5ezgvsq

    3 hours ago, Spanky99 said:

    C'mon dude, Vladdy >> Alonso and it isn't close, as for clutch, here's their High Leverage numbers...

    Vlad - .305/.399/.504 .903 OPS 199 ISO .370 wOBA 140 wRC+

    Pete - .232/.348/.435 .782 OPS  203 ISO .324 wOBA 108 wrc+

    As you can see it isn't particularly close.

    I'm talking about go-ahead homer in the 9th inning of an NLCS game type of clutch.  What did Vlad do when he saw playoff games?  He certainly wasn't the aircraft carrier he claims to be.

    7 hours ago, Big_Walleye said:

    Besides the reasons I've already mentioned,  there's this...

    Vlad seems to perform only when there's no pressure to do so.  Last year is a prime example, his numbers were good as a whole, but the bulk of his production came when the team was out of the race.

    I would rather have players who perform in the clutch (see Freddie Freeman, Pete Alonso).  I see Bo as this type of player long term as well.

    I like dirtbags, real ball players.  Vlad just doesn't fit that description.

    You’re talking completely out of your ass. Vlad’s numbers in high leverage situations are off the charts. 

    How horrible a Blue Jays fan do you have to be to be trying to argue that Vlad isn't worth 2/3 of Juan Soto?

    Do you dislike your homegrown star that much?

    Because there's nothing coming through the system.  Get ready for some lean years.

    1 hour ago, Laika said:

    1 WAR divided by 6.5 WAR = 15.4% 

    15.4% of 765M = $117.81M

    THEREFOR AND IN CONCLUSION
    BY USING THE SOTO VLAD LOGIC
    A ONE WAR BASEBALL PLAYER DESERVES A $117.81 MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT 

    I mean if you could count on them to be 1 WAR for 15 years, maybe for a reliever. That'll never happen though with age decline. 

    I think age decline is actually most of the reason it's non linear. Soto is probably projected to be more than 74% of Vlads career WAR

    Just now, Nexii said:

    I mean if you could count on them to be 1 WAR for 15 years, maybe for a reliever. That'll never happen though with age decline. 

    I think age decline is actually most of the reason it's non linear. Soto is probably projected to be more than 74% of Vlads career WAR

    Ok now I see where Laika is going with this.

     

    I guess by his logic Soto should have be making about 2 million, since Ernie made $757,700 last year, putting up 3.4 WAR

    9 minutes ago, Vladdywagon said:

    Guerrero was awarded 28.5 million in his final year of Arb.

    Soto, the year prior was awarded 31.5 million for his final year.  

    These are numbers are based on what they actually did.

    The system thinks they are worth very close to the same.  Closer than I even do.  I feel that Vlad is 2/3 to 3/4 of Soto, which I think is fair.

    Personally I don't think Soto is worth $765 million.

    But if he is, the Vlad should be worth 450 easily.

     

    Arb awards are not based on market value.

    5 minutes ago, Vladdywagon said:

    Ok now I see where Laika is going with this.

     

    I guess by his logic Soto should have be making about 2 million, since Ernie made $757,700 last year, putting up 3.4 WAR

    Vlad is around 60% of Soto's career WAR projection because it's a linear decline at around 0.5 WAR per year. That would make Vlad worth around 480M if you're buying out his whole career. 




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