Blue Jays (Yesavage) vs Twins (Ryan): 5/3/26, 12:45pm

[Spanky__99]

Thing I don't get is people saying they can't wait till Sosa is gone while Davis Schneider's like 1 for his lat 30. 🤔

[Stangstag]

3 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

Thing I don't get is people saying they can't wait till Sosa is gone while Davis Schneider's like 1 for his lat 30. 🤔

Schneider is kind of a fan favorite and has a better track record. I can make sense of it. 

People were saying Okamoto was a wasted contract just a couple weeks back…

Always a general bias against the new guy if he struggles initially 

[Spanky__99]

33 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

Schneider is kind of a fan favorite and has a better track record. I can make sense of it. 

People were saying Okamoto was a wasted contract just a couple weeks back…

Always a general bias against the new guy if he struggles initially 

Those people are dumn... Babe's line since he(Sosa) arrived...

 

Tm	PA	BB%	K%	BB/K	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS	ISO	BABIP	wRC	wRAA	wOBA	wRC+
2026	TOR	38	21.1%	31.6%	0.7	.067	.263	.133	.396	.067	.111	1	-3.2	.216	30

[Spanky__99]

Sosa's line... option Babe and let him get AB's in Buffalo.

Tm	PA	BB%	K%	BB/K	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS	ISO	BABIP	wRC	wRAA	wOBA	wRC+
2026	TOR	39	0.0%	20.5%	0.0	.297	.289	.459	.749	.162	.345	5	0.0	.322	101

[max silver]

38 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

Thing I don't get is people saying they can't wait till Sosa is gone while Davis Schneider's like 1 for his lat 30. 🤔

Schneider offers far more offensive upside that Sosa when he's locked in, but Davis has been anything but locked in so far this season. I think one factor keeping him on the big league roster is the lack of an alternative right handed bat to take his place in a platoon role in the outfield. 

[Spanky__99]

3 minutes ago, max silver said:

Schneider offers far more offensive upside that Sosa when he's locked in, but Davis has been anything but locked in so far this season. I think one factor keeping him on the big league roster is the lack of an alternative right handed bat to take his place in a platoon role in the outfield. 

He needs reps against live pitching in Buffalo, right now he's been useless. Also, I'm talking about when moves need to be made.

[Jonn]

Sosa doesn't have any options. So it makes sense he would stay over just straight up DFA if Schneider can simply be sent down. He would probably benefit from the reset at AAA. Because it helped him last year.

[hanton]

just watched Jays in 30, game was lost in the 5th and I can't remember the last time Fisher was "ruffed" up like this - 2 rib's doubles he's been really good..  Need more slug from Vlady

[Laika]

Good Lord someone needs to get Heineman off my team 

[Jonn]

23 minutes ago, Laika said:

Good Lord someone needs to get Heineman off my team 

OPS now under .400 in 50+ at-bats.

Doesn't frame, block, or throw well.

Apparently was crying at his locker and needed to be comforted after being pulled from the game today.

Its becoming a bit much at this point.

[hanton]

and now we're off to Tampa  with TBD vs Nick Martinez.  Assuming Lauer gets the start

[hanton]

I'm ok with his response

[hanton]

 sit his ass 

[Stangstag]

49 minutes ago, hanton said:

just watched Jays in 30, game was lost in the 5th and I can't remember the last time Fisher was "ruffed" up like this - 2 rib's doubles he's been really good..  Need more slug from Vlady

Offense needs to do better. 7 scoreless innings by the twins pen is not really acceptable.

Almost broke through in the 9th but it was too little too late

[Doubleplay21]

1 hour ago, Laika said:

Good Lord someone needs to get Heineman off my team 

I wonder if Buffalo has a catcher to replace Heineman now.

[max silver]

1 hour ago, Jonn said:

OPS now under .400 in 50+ at-bats.

Doesn't frame, block, or throw well.

Apparently was crying at his locker and needed to be comforted after being pulled from the game today.

Its becoming a bit much at this point.

Way to tell us you didn't look at the defensive stats before posting this. Heineman is 81st percentile blocking this season and 91st percentile framing. Heineman isn't throwing well this season so at least you were 33% correct. He needs to get his bat going eventually if he wants to remain a Blue Jay but his defense is far from the issue you are falsely claiming it to be.

[Jonn]

8 minutes ago, max silver said:

Way to tell us you didn't look at the defensive stats before posting this. Heineman is 81st percentile blocking this season and 91st percentile framing. Heineman isn't throwing well this season so at least you were 33% correct. He needs to get his bat going eventually if he wants to remain a Blue Jay but his defense is far from the issue you are falsely claiming it to be.

Valenzuela is better at most things and considering he's catching a lot of pitchers he's never caught before plus being a rookie its certainly unfolding out better in game as well. I will give you the blocking for sure but that also goes hand in hand with knowing your pitching staff. The point is Heinemen has been a straight up disaster when it comes to make any fielding or throw decisions whether its been fielding his own position or getting throws on the bag. I don't care if he doesn't have the arm strength to throw out runners. That is what it is at this point its how many he has air mailed or needlessly thrown that has led to runs. His metrics do look a lot better than what plays out in game though. But lets not forget Valenzuela is also an excellent framer.

[max silver]

1 hour ago, Jonn said:

Valenzuela is better at most things and considering he's catching a lot of pitchers he's never caught before plus being a rookie its certainly unfolding out better in game as well. I will give you the blocking for sure but that also goes hand in hand with knowing your pitching staff. The point is Heinemen has been a straight up disaster when it comes to make any fielding or throw decisions whether its been fielding his own position or getting throws on the bag. I don't care if he doesn't have the arm strength to throw out runners. That is what it is at this point its how many he has air mailed or needlessly thrown that has led to runs. His metrics do look a lot better than what plays out in game though. But lets not forget Valenzuela is also an excellent framer.

Heineman grades out better at both framing and blocking than Valenzuela. The only real issue with his fielding is his throwing, and he's hovering around an even 0 runs by Statcast presently. There is a teamwork segment in the Statcast catcher stolen base metric and Heineman's teammates haven't been helping him out as this is at -1 runs presently. This all appears as though you are taking a few isolated plays and using the eye test as the metrics do nothing to paint the picture of Heineman being the hopeless defender you are trying to portray him as. 

[hanton]

so we're now making the case FOR Heineman lol

[Jonn]

1 hour ago, max silver said:

Heineman grades out better at both framing and blocking than Valenzuela. The only real issue with his fielding is his throwing, and he's hovering around an even 0 runs by Statcast presently. There is a teamwork segment in the Statcast catcher stolen base metric and Heineman's teammates haven't been helping him out as this is at -1 runs presently. This all appears as though you are taking a few isolated plays and using the eye test as the metrics do nothing to paint the picture of Heineman being the hopeless defender you are trying to portray him as. 

I won't disagree that the Jays pitchers in general don't hold base runners well. It's an ongoing problem. But he simply doesn't have the arm strength to compensate. I didn't portray him as hopeless. He's just not good enough of a Catcher to warrant him being rostered if he's going to OPS sub ,400. Once Kirk's back and Valenzuela is the backup who actually some pop, arm strength, and does most of the things Heineman does already the Blue Jays are a better Baseball team. 

[jmomcc]

I quite like Sosa. I like having one guy who is a free swinger with pop. I love Schneider's game but if i'm choosing one to option, its him right now. 

With Heineman, it kind of depends how much you value him knowing the staff so well and what you think of whoever the current 4th guy on the chart is. 

I think i'd lead Heineman but i'm not sure its that easy a call. 

[RA Whiffleball]

Losing a game when their ace has to leave in the first inning is so typical of this stop-start season.

Now we head to the Graveyard for 3 against a Rays team that is cooking. 

[Spanky__99]

8 hours ago, hanton said:

and now we're off to Tampa  with TBD vs Nick Martinez.  Assuming Lauer gets the start

Lauer man?

 

[jaysblue]

Makes you appreciate how good Kirk really is behind the plate and the difference he makes day in and out. Even if his bat was off to a cold start, can't replace him behind the plate. Hopefully we get him back soon. 

 

[jaysblue]

Schneider has options, so would send him down to Buffalo and keep Sosa around a bit longer. 

As for Heineman, he's been awful this season. He's also 35-years-old. We got a really good season out of him last year, though did we expect him to be worth 2.1 WAR again? 

I would keep Valenzuela around even when Kirk gets back and send Heineman to the moon. But yeah I understand if the Jays want Valenzuela to get AB's on a day-to-day basis in Buffalo and keeping around extra catching depth on the 40-man. I doubt a team claims Heineman, but not sure he would accept a minor league assignment in Buffalo after. 

[max silver]

11 hours ago, Jonn said:

I won't disagree that the Jays pitchers in general don't hold base runners well. It's an ongoing problem. But he simply doesn't have the arm strength to compensate. I didn't portray him as hopeless. He's just not good enough of a Catcher to warrant him being rostered if he's going to OPS sub ,400. Once Kirk's back and Valenzuela is the backup who actually some pop, arm strength, and does most of the things Heineman does already the Blue Jays are a better Baseball team. 

I think Heineman has the next 3-4 weeks or so until Kirk is ready to come back to get his bat going a bit. He was the one hitter on the roster that I thought had essentially no chance to repeat his 2025 season with the bat as he outproduced his xwOBA by something like 70 points, but unless he's finished as a major leaguer his bat isn't likely to continue to be as bad as it has been. I don't know if the team will be ready to jettison Heineman as of yet as this would lead to a tenuous situation in terms of catcher depth where if Kirk were to get hurt this could lead to the team being forced to run 2 rookie catchers simultaneously. Valenzuela would likely be better served to be starting 4-5 times per week to continue honing his craft and serving as Kirk's backup would greatly reduce his available playing time. 

[hanton]

2 hours ago, jaysblue said:

Makes you appreciate how good Kirk really is behind the plate and the difference he makes day in and out. Even if his bat was off to a cold start, can't replace him behind the plate. Hopefully we get him back soon. 

 

big time. 

[RA Whiffleball]

21 hours ago, Alejandro Murphy said:

I don’t understand after a solid game yesterday from Valenzuela, why he didn’t start today

 

I have run out of patience of Heineman, he costed us so many game because of his brain cramps in the month of April. 

Don’t see any reason for Valenzuela to not play, a young guy who does not require rest should be out there every game while Kirk is rehabbing.

Heineman should be demoted as soon as Kirk is back

 

Why didn't JS pinch hit for him in that situation?

Taking him out of the game after that lame at bat doesn't really help us - that was bases loaded man, I don't want TH batting in that situation.

 

[max silver]

13 minutes ago, RA Whiffleball said:

Why didn't JS pinch hit for him in that situation?

Taking him out of the game after that lame at bat doesn't really help us - that was bases loaded man, I don't want TH batting in that situation.

 

I didn't understand the thinking there either. If you are going to leave a struggling hitter in the lineup in a bases loaded situation late in the game it's worthless to punish him afterwards when he didn't come through in the clutch.