[ALDS GM2] : Yankees (Fried) vs Blue Jays (Yesavage): 10/05/25, 4:08pm

[jaysblue]

13 hours ago, Spanky__99 said:

Grant? Anyhow Term's bang on, I've seen you fellate all of the Yanks/Sox and Tampa today alone... then there was the O's before the season and even after their struggles, you're a Bird.

Most of the prominent posters on here were fellate all over Tampa for how many years and nobody said a peep? 

You can never count out the Yankees or Red Sox during the regular season. Any smart and rational baseball fan understands that. The Red Sox weren't even expected to make the Postseason at the beginning of the season and they did, even after trading Rafael Devers. 

As for the O's, they could be the most dangerous last place team heading into next season. If their management makes better decisions this offseason and their young core puts things altogether, I could see them flipping their W-L record easily. 

You can still be a huge Blue Jays fan and supporter while being rational at the same time. 

[jaysblue]

13 hours ago, Masterbather said:

Our rotation was in trouble and we needed help, imagine what our rotation would be without him right now.

Also at the time I was under the impression that he had to be called up before September 1st, that's when I was really mad but then that was cleared up. But I though it was important to get a long look at him.

But there's a big difference between wanting him called up because we were in desperate need of SOMEBODY, and proclaiming that he's a Cy Young winner in the making.

You just look like you are looking for a fight for no good reason. Your response to my post is completely disproportionate.

 

Max can't do his usual cherry picking with only 4 starts under his belt 😅

[jaysblue]

12 hours ago, max silver said:

It seems as though avoiding giving MLB an extended look at Yesavage may have been part of the overall plan given how much of an outlier his arm angle and pitch mix is compared to the norm.

Likely had more to do with the injuries in the rotation, Scherzer struggling heavily in September and the question marks in the bullpen at the time. But alright believe what you want to believe. 

[jaysblue]

12 hours ago, Masterbather said:

Right because you thought they were World Series contenders back then?

Oh but you had hope, but you see that's the whole point, you always have hope for a team that hasn't won anything since 1993. But they turned it around, and now those of incessant hope are geniuses? 

I mean if you have hope every year, yeah you're going to hit the jackpot once in awhile. 

But it's been a great ride and I don't know why everyone is looking for a fight today when we should all be very happy. So be happy and stop being so miserable.

 

Spanky thinks the Leafs are Stanley Cup contenders every September. He lives in his own dream world sometimes. 

[jaysblue]

10 hours ago, Masterbather said:

In the intermediate term, we have the Bo free agency, we have gaps in our rotation with Gausman locked up for only one more year and Berrios locked up for too many. Bieber is either gone or may cost a pretty penny to keep. Only 1 more year of Springer and who knows how much longer he can do this anyhow. A big money decision needs to be made on Varsho soon. We can talk all we want about the minor leagues but we don't know until they're here. Yesavage looks like a piece for sure. Barger too, maybe even Schneider, but we need to see it for more than just a part of a season from them to know if they're really part of a core. 

I just think there's still a lot of gaps and it'll be very expensive to fill because as of right now we don't know if we really have enough young players to fill it. Too many questions marks.

The one plus with the Jays situation is ownership is willing to spend, and will be more inclined to after the season they just had to keep the momentum going. 

Vladdy and Kirk are locked up which is nice. Would be nice if the Jays could lock Varsho up to a Kirk type of extension this offseason. But yes, this offseason will have to be a busy one. Jays will have to replace two big pieces in Bieber, and Bo. Yesavage and Lauer likely could fill out the rest of the rotation with Berrios as you're #4-5. The Jays do need a #1-2 to pair with Gausman whether that's bringing back Bieber or someone else. As for Bo, I'm fine with the Jays rolling with Gimenez at shortstop, but need to replace Bo's offensive production from somewhere. Also, have to expect some drop-off from Springer realistically and some other players who surprised this season like Lukes, Clement etc. Gotta hope Santander bounces back. 

Regardless, don't care about the offseason right now. Enjoy the Postseason and worry about that all later haha!

[Olerud363.354]

1 hour ago, jaysblue said:

Does Grant even acknowledge the Red Sox exist? 

Or Seattle?  Can't remember if he has general hate for Seattle or just the 2022 incarnation?

 

[mphenhef]

10 hours ago, max silver said:

A lot of Yankees fans had the same kind of thoughts before game 2.

And Red Sox fans before game 3 of the wild card.

[mphenhef]

9 hours ago, Masterbather said:

I think the narrative in the US media about tomorrow's game has been very disrespectful to Bieber.

Everyone is talking about how the Yankees have the pitching edge. 

I get that Bieber is coming off an injury, maybe he doesn't look like 100% of his old self just yet, maybe his stuff plays a little bit more into the Yankees strength than our first two starters, but Rodon has done what exactly?

Bieber is pitching for a big contract in the offseason too.  That means something and he will want to show what he has got.

[max silver]

11 hours ago, Masterbather said:

Well nobody should speculate on what we would have received had we traded Vlad in terms of a return.

It's very hard to really understand the enormous domino effect of a 15-year half a billion dollar contract until many years down the road.

In the intermediate term, we have the Bo free agency, we have gaps in our rotation with Gausman locked up for only one more year and Berrios locked up for too many. Bieber is either gone or may cost a pretty penny to keep. Only 1 more year of Springer and who knows how much longer he can do this anyhow. A big money decision needs to be made on Varsho soon. We can talk all we want about the minor leagues but we don't know until they're here. Yesavage looks like a piece for sure. Barger too, maybe even Schneider, but we need to see it for more than just a part of a season from them to know if they're really part of a core. 

I just think there's still a lot of gaps and it'll be very expensive to fill because as of right now we don't know if we really have enough young players to fill it. Too many questions marks.

Why shouldn't we speculate on what Vlad would have brought in return? It's kind of impossible to form any kind of opinion on whether the club should have traded him without coming up with an idea of a potential return. We have a loose idea based on the Soto return who was a more consistent player with a higher demonstrated ceiling, and his return wasn't some sort of franchise altering deal as it was more of a quantity over quality kind of deal. Perhaps a pure prospect package could have returned a higher package ceiling than what the Padres received, but it seems that teams are becoming increasingly unwilling to move their true top prospects in trade these days, especially when it comes to a player with a single year of remaining control.

Vlad's deal only adds approximately $7 million to the payroll year to year compared to this season, and in the short to medium term this deal should have little negative ramifications on the team's ability to compete. I think too many are getting fixated on the overall value of the deal as that's simply a function of it being a bit too long in nature. On a pure AAV note the $35 million annual outlay is perfectly reasonable for a superstar calibre player and given the fact that the Jays are a luxury tax team the front half of this deal should provide plenty of value. The back half of the deal could be pretty ugly in nature given the typical aging curve for heavyset first base types, but that's a concern for many years down the road. If the choice is 6-7 years of potential contention/high payroll team vs a 5 year rebuild that is far from guaranteed to succeed given the draft lottery I'll take the first option every single time.

I believe there is somewhere in the neighbourhood of $60 million coming off of the books after the season is up, and on top of that I do believe there is more payroll space available beyond what was utilized this season as the club was reportedly in the bidding for the likes of Alonso and Bregman as spring training approached. Some of this will be eaten up by arbitration raises and Vlad's new deal to be certain, but I do tend to think there is plenty of available cash for both of Bieber/other top of the rotation arm and Bo but it will be a matter of aligning on value. With the longer term questions of Gausman and Springer both of these players were free agent acquisitions, and once their deals expire that will free up a ton of further payroll space to fill through free agency if required at that point.

[mphenhef]

2 hours ago, jaysblue said:

Yeah like Yesavage flat out dominated on Sunday against the Yankees, but some posters already deeming him an ace type pitch only after 4 starts is kind of premature. 

Did Marcus Stroman or Aaron Sanchez turn out to be aces? Didn't they both have some dominating starts/appearances in the Postseason? 

 

Anyone remember how good Gus Chacin started out with his deceptive delivery? Edit:  I looked it up and not nearly as good as my memory thought lol

[max silver]

2 hours ago, jaysblue said:

Max can't do his usual cherry picking with only 4 starts under his belt 😅

That would actually make it easier as there is far less data to comb through. 

[max silver]

1 minute ago, mphenhef said:

Anyone remember how good Gus Chacin started out with his deceptive delivery?

Yesavage features plus stuff and an elite pitch to go with the deception. 

[max silver]

5 minutes ago, mphenhef said:

And Red Sox fans before game 3 of the wild card.

Thank goodness the Jays have faced Shlittler before so there won't be any surprises. They are a much better matchup against the dude given the fact they are so hard to strike out, but if Schlittler brings the kind of stuff and command he featured against the Red Sox he would be a tough matchup for anyone. Hopefully it doesn't get to game 4 in the first place. 

[max silver]

2 hours ago, jaysblue said:

Most of the prominent posters on here were fellate all over Tampa for how many years and nobody said a peep? 

You can never count out the Yankees or Red Sox during the regular season. Any smart and rational baseball fan understands that. The Red Sox weren't even expected to make the Postseason at the beginning of the season and they did, even after trading Rafael Devers. 

As for the O's, they could be the most dangerous last place team heading into next season. If their management makes better decisions this offseason and their young core puts things altogether, I could see them flipping their W-L record easily. 

You can still be a huge Blue Jays fan and supporter while being rational at the same time. 

I don't know if most posters were knob gobbling the Rays aside from a small handful. We can all respect that they are a very well run organization given the payroll constraints. The entire division is full of quality front offices and it's known as baseball's best division most years so there's no lack of rationality with most of the posters, outside of Grant's completely irrational hatred of the Red Sox. 

[jaysblue]

8 hours ago, mphenhef said:

Anyone remember how good Gus Chacin started out with his deceptive delivery? Edit:  I looked it up and not nearly as good as my memory thought lol

I still have Chacin cologne! 

[Spanky__99]

11 hours ago, jaysblue said:

Most of the prominent posters on here were fellate all over Tampa for how many years and nobody said a peep? 

You can never count out the Yankees or Red Sox during the regular season. Any smart and rational baseball fan understands that. The Red Sox weren't even expected to make the Postseason at the beginning of the season and they did, even after trading Rafael Devers. 

As for the O's, they could be the most dangerous last place team heading into next season. If their management makes better decisions this offseason and their young core puts things altogether, I could see them flipping their W-L record easily. 

You can still be a huge Blue Jays fan and supporter while being rational at the same time. 

Thanks tips... 🙄 

The East is the toughest division in Baseball and has been for a long time, bro. I recall myself not ever fellating over  Tampa and called them out myself, but you do you, meat.

[Spanky__99]

11 hours ago, jaysblue said:

Spanky thinks the Leafs are Stanley Cup contenders every September. He lives in his own dream world sometimes. 

You're a God damned idiot. Seriously, troglodyte. Also, get off your knees, he's a grown man for Christ's sake.

[jaysblue]

31 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

You're a God damned idiot. Seriously, troglodyte. Also, get off your knees, he's a grown man for Christ's sake.

 

[Spanky__99]

10 hours ago, Olerud363.354 said:

Or Seattle?  Can't remember if he has general hate for Seattle or just the 2022 incarnation?

 

Seattle dropped in there somewhere along the line for sure, odd is that.