SOURCE: The #BlueJays have showing interest in Jose Quintana. Talks have intensified recently.

[Terminator]

https://x.com/hgomez27/status/1876478037769740747

 

 

[Carlos Danger]

4 minutes ago, Terminator said:

https://x.com/hgomez27/status/1876478037769740747

Bad link?

[Terminator]

Works if you click on it but won't embed for some reason

[Brownie19]

Dude was such a horse in the mid 2010's.  

[L54]

The Quintana sweepstakes!!

[L54]

Adding a durable SP is a good idea 

Serious question - how do you throw 170+ innings of 3.75 ERA and only accumulate 1 WAR? Is it because Fangraphs WAR is derived from FIP? 

[Jays24]

20 minutes ago, Terminator said:

Works if you click on it but won't embed for some reason

You need to press 'Enter' to skip a line after you insert the URL, the link will show itself after that. 

[Terminator]

12 minutes ago, L54 said:

Adding a durable SP is a good idea 

Serious question - how do you throw 170+ innings of 3.75 ERA and only accumulate 1 WAR? Is it because Fangraphs WAR is derived from FIP? 

Yep. Sometimes with proven FIP-beaters you want to use RA-9 or something which is pure ERA based. Quintana has been a FIP beater for 3 years now but I'm not sure that means much.

[L54]

25 minutes ago, Terminator said:

Yep. Sometimes with proven FIP-beaters you want to use RA-9 or something which is pure ERA based. Quintana has been a FIP beater for 3 years now but I'm not sure that means much.

2.5 WAR on baseball reference which feels closer to the value of that production 

[jaysblue]

He definitely fits the MO of this front office when it comes to targeting rotation arms. Pretty much he's a left handed version of Bassitt haha. 

On a one-year deal around $10-12M AAV, I'm okay with that as it lengthens the rotation and allows the Jays to use Y-Rod in the bullpen. Quintana can give the Jays around 170-180 innings and likely is closer to being a 2-3 WAR arm in comparison to Fangraphs WAR. 

[jaysblue]

https://www.si.com/mlb/mets/news/mets-free-agent-jose-quintana-predicted-to-sign-with-al-central-team-logan9

This was from yesterday. 

[SuperFuzzBigMuff]

A washed up 35 year old pitcher with a career ERA of 3.74. They might have a shot with him. 

[Terminator]

9 hours ago, SuperFuzzBigMuff said:

A washed up 35 year old pitcher with a career ERA of 3.74. They might have a shot with him. 

I love that you're trying to insult him by using his ERA which has been pretty darn good, both in his career and last season.

 

[SuperFuzzBigMuff]

50 minutes ago, Terminator said:

I love that you're trying to insult him by using his ERA which has been pretty darn good, both in his career and last season.

 

Yea his career has been mediocre, now he's 35 so he's Blue Jays material now. 

[Carlos Danger]

If they do sign him, it gives me Tanner Roark vibes. 

Anyone who has been around here a while knows what I thought about that signing…

I guess no harm in more depth and he has shown some bright spots. However, only if the spend on him does not preclude other additions. 

 

[Pendleton]

10 hours ago, SuperFuzzBigMuff said:

A washed up 35 year old pitcher with a career ERA of 3.74. They might have a shot with him. 

First half FIP of 5.01 before improving to 3.89 in the second half of 2024. I'm not sure if washed up is the right term, when he was sort of his usual old self in the most recent half season of play.  It's definitely not a high upside move, no argument to be made there.

 

No luck involved in the second half either.... Babip almost stayed exactly the same but simply generated significantly less hard contact and a fair bit more soft contact in the second half. 

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/jose-quintana/11423/splits?position=P&season=2024&split=

 

[Brock Beauchamp]

17 hours ago, Terminator said:

Works if you click on it but won't embed for some reason

Yeah, I was looking at this. It's tagged on X as sensitive content, which I suspect means it will not embed because it's not supposed to show for users in a logged-out state. That's my hypothesis, anyway.

[Terminator]

1 minute ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Yeah, I was looking at this. It's tagged on X as sensitive content, which I suspect means it will not embed because it's not supposed to show for users in a logged-out state. That's my hypothesis, anyway.

It definitely offended plenty of Blue Jays fans so I can see why it was tagged as sensitive content

[Brock Beauchamp]

2 minutes ago, Terminator said:

It definitely offended plenty of Blue Jays fans so I can see why it was tagged as sensitive content

Twitter is a well-oiled machine these days. No way it could possibly make a mistake like labeling something incorrectly.

[SuperFuzzBigMuff]

24 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Twitter is a well-oiled machine these days. No way it could possibly make a mistake like labeling something incorrectly.

What's Twitter? 🤣

[Brownie19]

57 minutes ago, SuperFuzzBigMuff said:

Yea his career has been mediocre, now he's 35 so he's Blue Jays material now. 

He's never been your traditional ace or superstar, but his career has not been mediocre 😕

I'm not suggesting he's a prime target, or someone I want on the Jays, but that is a ludicrous statement.

[SuperFuzzBigMuff]

Just now, Brownie19 said:

He's never been your traditional ace or superstar, but his career has not been mediocre 😕

I'm not suggesting he's a prime target, or someone I want on the Jays, but that is a ludicrous statement.

It's ludicrous because someone new to the "old boys club" said it. 

[Brownie19]

1 minute ago, SuperFuzzBigMuff said:

It's ludicrous because someone new to the "old boys club" said it. 

No - it's ludicrous because it's grossly incorrect.  Dude has 35+ career WAR.

[SuperFuzzBigMuff]

Just now, Brownie19 said:

No - it's ludicrous because it's grossly incorrect.  Dude has 35+ career WAR.

Dude is going to be 36 before spring straining starts. I'm going to laugh when the Blue Jays sign him and after a few starts he's out for the season. 

[Brownie19]

9 minutes ago, SuperFuzzBigMuff said:

Dude is going to be 36 before spring straining starts. I'm going to laugh when the Blue Jays sign him and after a few starts he's out for the season. 

That has nothing to do with your claim that "his career has been mediocre".

[SuperFuzzBigMuff]

1 minute ago, Brownie19 said:

That has nothing to do with your claim that "his career has been mediocre".

It has been.

[Brock Beauchamp]

6 minutes ago, SuperFuzzBigMuff said:

It has been.

Aw, come on. A mediocre career is 5-6 years and 8 WAR.

Not a 13+ year career with 30 WAR and a 110 ERA+. That has to be in the top 10% of pitchers all time. 

[BTS]

Thanks I hate it 

[SuperFuzzBigMuff]

5 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Aw, come on. A mediocre career is 5-6 years and 8 WAR.

Not a 13+ year career with 30 WAR and a 110 ERA+. That has to be in the top 10% of pitchers all time. 

Blah blah blah WAR, Something something WAR. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

Just now, SuperFuzzBigMuff said:

Blah blah blah WAR, blah blah blah WAR. WAR.. something something WAR. 

13 year career. An ERA 10% over the average pitcher and probably 13% over the average starting pitcher.