ROSS ATKINS is going to be back in 2024? WTF!?!? Lmao unreal.

[Orgfiller]

Looking at the Phillies, they don’t really have any terrible deals on the books. I wasn’t a fan of the Walker signing but he’s a backend guy. They definitely bought themselves a WS team

 

lol @ not viewing Turner, Castellanos, and Schwarber as albatross contracts. Realmuto is also incredibly expensive, has a lot of mileage as a catcher and just had his worst year across the board (offensively, defensively and baserunning wise) in his career with 2 more years left to go. A few dingers in the postseason shouldn't make you believe that paying > $60M for less than 4 WAR in the regular season, where you still need wins to make the playoffs, is a worthwhile trade.

[BTS]

The Phillies were able to bring in two borderline HoF players from outside the org on deals that have worked out better than even they could have hoped, in Wheeler and Realmuto. Two of the best acquisitions of the last decade, for any team. Jury still out on a bunch of the others, though Harper has earned his pay so far.

 

Wheeler actually leads the majors in fWAR since his signing, and the contract expires after 2024, so not much can go wrong. Legit one of the best FA pitcher signings ever.

[connorp]

lol @ not viewing Turner, Castellanos, and Schwarber as albatross contracts. Realmuto is also incredibly expensive, has a lot of mileage as a catcher and just had his worst year across the board (offensively, defensively and baserunning wise) in his career with 2 more years left to go. A few dingers in the postseason shouldn't make you believe that paying > $60M for less than 4 WAR in the regular season, where you still need wins to make the playoffs, is a worthwhile trade.

 

I won’t say anything positive about a Turner rebound as I’m mulling putting an offer on him, but Casty isn’t a bad deal. He’s getting 3/50 say easy. I know you hate that FA salaries aren’t paid proportionally to WAR, but they’re not. Again, go do some homework and you’ll find offensive and defensive WAR are paid at different premiums

[Laika]

Looking at the Phillies, they don’t really have any terrible deals on the books. I wasn’t a fan of the Walker signing but he’s a backend guy. They definitely bought themselves a WS team

 

The front part of these contracts are working out mostly as Philadelphia hoped, yes. Still pretty early for most of them though.

 

Harper 2019 to 2031

Wheeler 2020 to 2024

Realmuto 2021 to 2025

Castellanos 2022 to 2026

Schwarber 2022 to 2025

Walker 2023 to 2026

Turner 2023 to 2033

 

The Wheeler signing was a total jackpot.

Everything else kind of just looks somewhere between bad and okay. But lots of years left, lol.

[Laika]

I won’t say anything positive about a Turner rebound as I’m mulling putting an offer on him, but Casty isn’t a bad deal. He’s getting 3/50 say easy. I know you hate that FA salaries aren’t paid proportionally to WAR, but they’re not. Again, go do some homework and you’ll find offensive and defensive WAR are paid at different premiums

 

No he wouldn't, lmfao. At best he'd get the Trey Mancini deal from last year (2/$14).

Might not even get that though.

[BTS]

I won’t say anything positive about a Turner rebound as I’m mulling putting an offer on him, but Casty isn’t a bad deal. He’s getting 3/50 say easy. I know you hate that FA salaries aren’t paid proportionally to WAR, but they’re not. Again, go do some homework and you’ll find offensive and defensive WAR are paid at different premiums

 

Castellanos is Hunter Renfroe with worse defense, and Renfroe has been moved for nothing like 4 times in the last two years. Nobody is giving FA Castellanos 50M this offseason unless Kim Ng finds a job.

[BTS]

connorp might have the world's strongest recency bias. Literally just "what have you done for me in the last week"

[connorp]

Philly vs Tex WS. This is maddening for you guys, I know

[connorp]

You guys all wanted to take a ride on Schwarb’s rod. I’ve never been a fan

[Stangstag]

AA traded for one of the best players in baseball at the time in Josh Donaldson who went onto win the AL MVP in 2015. He also locked up elite players like Bautista and EE to extremely team friendly contracts. Signed Russell Martin to a great contract after he posted a 6.2 WAR season. Brought over Estrada who was a reliable SP. Made some big moves at the 2015 trade deadline that got the Jays to the ALCS and almost to the World Series. But yeah his whole tenure in Toronto should be defined by the Marlins trade and Dickey trade before the 2013 season.

 

You make enough trades and signings, some will end up working out.

 

See: Ross Atkins

[Spanky99]

Philly vs Tex WS. This is maddening for you guys, I know

 

I want to see that matchup, bigly. Excellent starters for both squads, elite bat environment and shaky pens at times, should be a dream matchup.

[Brownie19]

Isn’t that just it though? Varsho SHOULD be a much better bat than KK. Just didn’t happen this year. He has way more HR power than KK, which as we have all seen is the difference maker in the playoffs.

 

If he doesn’t rebound with the bat next year then yeah this trade starts looking awful

 

I'd agree. Then again, Moreno might hit like Kirk did this year and then the trade won't look as awful again. We literally just watched our catcher go from a 129 wRC+, 3.9 WAR monster to a 96 wRC+, 1.6 WAR mess, yet some are SOLD that Moreno is going to be a superstar after he finally starting hitting well over his past 175 PA's...catchers fail all the time. Shapiro's suggesting that you can't judge this trade right now is spot on.

[Brownie19]

I want to see that matchup, bigly. Excellent starters for both squads, elite bat environment and shaky pens at times, should be a dream matchup.

 

100% Spank. This is what I want to see.

[Brownie19]

I won’t say anything positive about a Turner rebound as I’m mulling putting an offer on him, but Casty isn’t a bad deal. He’s getting 3/50 say easy. I know you hate that FA salaries aren’t paid proportionally to WAR, but they’re not. Again, go do some homework and you’ll find offensive and defensive WAR are paid at different premiums

 

Casty has given them 0.2 WAR combined over the first 2 years of that deal. He was horrendous for them in the playoffs last year also. That deal has been an abomination for the Phillies. Luckily, he's been hot for a few weeks when it matters most.

[L54]

Realmuto had 11 WAR in the first two years of the deal. Hard to argue that contract won’t work out

[connorp]

Casty has given them 0.2 WAR combined over the first 2 years of that deal. He was horrendous for them in the playoffs last year also. That deal has been an abomination for the Phillies. Luckily, he's been hot for a few weeks when it matters most.

 

The went with bats over corner D. I think KS was good last year with the bat when NC wasn’t. Roles reversed now, so good thing they had two options.

 

In terms of Jays, if Varsho is so wonderful in CF, should be fine having a slugger RF that can hit. Hopefully they don’t try to just add WAR there with the glove. Another first round exit in that case the likely scenario

[Brownie19]

The went with bats over corner D. I think KS was good last year with the bat when NC wasn’t. Roles reversed now, so good thing they had two options.

 

In terms of Jays, if Varsho is so wonderful in CF, should be fine having a slugger RF that can hit. Hopefully they don’t try to just add WAR there with the glove. Another first round exit in that case the likely scenario

 

Right - because that strategy is working for Philly, it will work for everyone. Brilliant. Why didn't it work for the Jays in 2022?

 

edit - Nevermind. Don't answer that. I don't care.

[connorp]

Right - because that strategy is working for Philly, it will work for everyone. Brilliant. Why didn't it work for the Jays in 2022?

 

edit - Nevermind. Don't answer that. I don't care.

 

They couldn’t hold a 10 run lead or whatever. Wasn’t a fluke. Most years the Jays Achilles heel from the season shows up in the playoffs

[BTS]

They couldn’t hold a 10 run lead or whatever. Wasn’t a fluke. Most years the Jays Achilles heel from the season shows up in the playoffs

 

* most years most teams Achilles heel from the season shows up in the playoffs.

[jaysblue]

You make enough trades and signings, some will end up working out.

 

See: Ross Atkins

 

Yup, AA has made his share of great trades and some questionable ones. The same could be said with Atkins. But for some reason, when Atkins makes a questionable trade, some posters on here give him a free pass and use excuses. Whereas a lot of posters on here point to those two trades AA made to define his tenure here in Toronto, which we both know isn't true. AA did a lot more good here than some posters on here give him credit for.

[Brownie19]

Yup, AA has made his share of great trades and some questionable ones. The same could be said with Atkins. But for some reason, when Atkins makes a questionable trade, some posters on here give him a free pass and use excuses. Whereas a lot of posters on here point to those two trades AA made to define his tenure here in Toronto, which we both know isn't true. AA did a lot more good here than some posters on here give him credit for.

 

Who are you talking about? I honestly have no idea. I think most on here give AA tons of credit, while also acknowledging that he was learning on the job and made some mistakes along the way. I know I certainly was, and still am a huge AA fan.

[Spanky99]

Yup, AA has made his share of great trades and some questionable ones. The same could be said with Atkins. But for some reason, when Atkins makes a questionable trade, some posters on here give him a free pass and use excuses. Whereas a lot of posters on here point to those two trades AA made to define his tenure here in Toronto, which we both know isn't true. AA did a lot more good here than some posters on here give him credit for.

 

lmao... what were the bad trades you questioned about Ross Atkins, recently, please bring it?

 

*some posters* and *a lot of posters* is a f***ing trip everytime you type it out.

[Spanky99]

Who are you talking about? I honestly have no idea. I think most on here give AA tons of credit, while also acknowledging that he was learning on the job and made some mistakes along the way. I know I certainly was, and still am a huge AA fan.

 

It seems delusional between the two for some odd reason.

[jaysblue]

lmao... what were the bad trades you questioned about Ross Atkins, recently, please bring it?

 

You just proved the exact point I was making haha.

[Stangstag]

The went with bats over corner D. I think KS was good last year with the bat when NC wasn’t. Roles reversed now, so good thing they had two options.

 

In terms of Jays, if Varsho is so wonderful in CF, should be fine having a slugger RF that can hit. Hopefully they don’t try to just add WAR there with the glove. Another first round exit in that case the likely scenario

 

Im kinda turning on to the idea that big bat/mediocre pitching teams are far more favorable in the playoffs compared to good pitching/D teams.

 

You look at the teams that won from the last few seasons and its all heavy slugging teams that had a few good pitchers.

 

Really you need like 2-3 guys to go on homerun heaters during the playoffs, and the more of those you have in the lineup that are capable of something like that, the more likely it happens.

[Jimcanuck]

Im kinda turning on to the idea that big bat/mediocre pitching teams are far more favorable in the playoffs compared to good pitching/D teams.

 

You look at the teams that won from the last few seasons and its all heavy slugging teams that had a few good pitchers.

 

Really you need like 2-3 guys to go on homerun heaters during the playoffs, and the more of those you have in the lineup that are capable of something like that, the more likely it happens.

 

Best hitting teams in 2023:

 

Atlanta (1st by a country mile)

Dodgers

Texas

Tampa Bay

Houston

Seattle

 

This doesn't support

[hanton]

Im kinda turning on to the idea that big bat/mediocre pitching teams are far more favorable in the playoffs compared to good pitching/D teams.

 

You look at the teams that won from the last few seasons and its all heavy slugging teams that had a few good pitchers.

 

Really you need like 2-3 guys to go on homerun heaters during the playoffs, and the more of those you have in the lineup that are capable of something like that, the more likely it happens.

 

You need a very strong pen - unlike years ago

[connorp]

Best hitting teams in 2023:

 

Atlanta (1st by a country mile)

Dodgers

Texas

Tampa Bay

Houston

Seattle

 

This doesn't support

 

Again, you’re just too simple Jimbo to grasp any sort of complex topic. The Jays were better in wRC+ than Philly, so that means they should be expected to have the better offense in the playoffs. We know. You’re right. Carry on

[Jimcanuck]

Again, you’re just too simple Jimbo to grasp any sort of complex topic. The Jays were better in wRC+ than Philly, so that means they should be expected to have the better offense in the playoffs. We know. You’re right. Carry on

 

Probability, man. You being the sperm that fertilized the egg was a 1 in 50,000,000 chance. One of the other 49,999,999 would have been better.

[Spanky99]

You just proved the exact point I was making haha.

 

Huh, how? WTF???