GDT: Wildcard (game 2) Toronto Blue Jays @ Minnesota Twins (4:38 et)

[Ehjays]

Do we really think Shapiro will fire Atkins? I think he will fire JS as a scapegoat, but I don't see him firing his buddy Atkins.

 

I disagree, I say Shapiro announces a change will be made, he then fires Mattingly but keeps BOTH JS and Atkins plus all coaches.

[Jimcanuck]

Berrios should have stayed in, but not why Jays lost. The hitting was atrocious, and Vladdy getting picked off sunk any chance of a comeback. Zero f***ing energy after that.

[Omar]

Schneider facing softball questions postgame. These media people either indirectly work for the Blue Jays via Rogers or they have to cover the team next year and don't want to alienate management. Tough spot.

[Omar]

I disagree, I say Shapiro announces a change will be made, he then fires Mattingly but keeps BOTH JS and Atkins plus all coaches.

 

...and also fire Pete Walker, while simultaneously offer contract extensions to the half dozen hitting coaches/strategists/analysts.

[Laika]

I still can't believe Guerrero got picked off

 

He is the only baseball player in organized ball who would get sniped there

 

Possibly the worst play I have ever seen by a Jay

[Ehjays]

[Ehjays]

[Jimcanuck]

I still can't believe Guerrero got picked off

 

He is the only baseball player in organized ball who would get sniped there

 

Possibly the worst play I have ever seen by a Jay

 

Fatties like Vlad and Kirk have to be very careful out there, you just know the other team is watching to nail their fat sleepy asses

[Captain_Obvious]

I still can't believe Guerrero got picked off

 

He is the only baseball player in organized ball who would get sniped there

 

Possibly the worst play I have ever seen by a Jay

 

I am surprised that you're surprised. Vladdy is one of the dumbest players I have ever seen and is a terrible baserunner. He got picked off multiple times during the season.

[CJ-Freeway]

Lots looking brutal but let’s see what happens next season or two

 

Not holding my breath, Varsho has been ass all season long.

[Jonn]

Absolutely zero reason Varsho should be guaranteed a starting job next year. Under no circumstance has he justified getting 600+ AB's. Edited October 5, 2023 by Jonn

[AMS528]

Absolutely zero reason Varsho should be guaranteed a starting job next year. Under number circumstance has he justified getting 600+ AB's.

 

His hitting can be acceptable if it's just slightly improved, he only ever plays CF and we get a LF who hits well. Then he can rack up 3-4 WAR even as a bad hitter.

 

Doesn't make that trade feel any better for the future though.

[Omar]

I still can't believe Guerrero got picked off

 

He is the only baseball player in organized ball who would get sniped there

 

Possibly the worst play I have ever seen by a Jay

 

Vladdy has been making baserunning blunders all season. Forgetting to tag up, getting picked off, trying to take extra bases and getting nailed.... If you were surprised it means you haven't been watching enough games this season.

[The Iceman]

Absolutely zero reason Varsho should be guaranteed a starting job next year. Under number circumstance has he justified getting 600+ AB's.

 

Varsho will be the teams starting CF and will field spectacularly enough to justify his 9th spot in the batting order.

[Jimcanuck]

His hitting can be acceptable if it's just slightly improved, he only ever plays CF and we get a LF who hits well. Then he can rack up 3-4 WAR even as a bad hitter.

 

Doesn't make that trade feel any better for the future though.

 

Yes the Jays f***ed up the "nice problem" of Jansen, Kirk, and Moreno.

[JFD]

The best part about Vlad getting picked off was when he shared his great wisdom to Bo about remaining calm. No not that calm!

[Stangstag]

Removing Berrios when they did was the turning point in this game

 

People will complain about Gausman and Berrios, but the pitching was fine overall.

 

The offense was a major problem, just as it was all season. The RISP issues we had all year. The exact same s***. Stupid mistakes on the bases. Terrible approach.

[hanton]

People will complain about Gausman and Berrios, but the pitching was fine overall.

 

The offense was a major problem, just as it was all season. The RISP issues we had all year. The exact same s***. Stupid mistakes on the bases. Terrible approach.

 

poor offense, poor coaching decisions. there's a pattern, an ugly one

[jaysblue]

Absolutely zero reason Varsho should be guaranteed a starting job next year. Under no circumstance has he justified getting 600+ AB's.

 

lmao

[Steeljays]

Absolutely zero reason Varsho should be guaranteed a starting job next year. Under no circumstance has he justified getting 600+ AB's.

 

Unless Atkins is fired I don't see them moving on from Varsho. He is our CF next season

[Olerud363]

Varsho will be the teams starting CF and will field spectacularly enough to justify his 9th spot in the batting order.

 

hard for me to believe a player with Varsho's minor league stats can hit as badly as he does. Good bet for any player is that they hit to their career average which would make Varsho better than he was this year.

 

Just shocked at how bad he was. His 2022 looked like Teo's 2019 and I thought for sure he would take a step forward like Teo did.

[BatFlip]

Absolutely zero reason Varsho should be guaranteed a starting job next year. Under no circumstance has he justified getting 600+ AB's.

 

He is perfectly fine hitting at the bottom of your lineup as a defense first CF. He just has to be between .700 - .750 ops to be a very valuable player.

 

Where he can't be, is plugging the left field position, which belongs to a BFB - a BIG F$%@ING BAT.

[jaysblue]

He is perfectly fine hitting at the bottom of your lineup as a defense first CF. He just has to be between .700 - .750 ops to be a very valuable player.

 

Where he can't be, is plugging the left field position, which belongs to a BFB - a BIG F$%@ING BAT.

 

Jays definitely overpaid for a .700 OPS CF bat. Could have just signed KK again instead of trading LGJ and Moreno for Varsho!

[Jimcanuck]

Jays definitely overpaid for a .700 OPS CF bat. Could have just signed KK again instead of trading LGJ and Moreno for Varsho!

 

Ok so my suggestion last offseason was sign Bellinger and trade Kirk to Miami for pitching. Bellinger instead of Varsho in the lineup would have made the entire lineup better.

 

Remember Vlad's big year he was generally sandwiched between 45 HR Semien and a silver slugger Teoscar

[jaysblue]

Ok so my suggestion last offseason was sign Bellinger and trade Kirk to Miami for pitching. Bellinger instead of Varsho in the lineup would have made the entire lineup better.

 

Remember Vlad's big year he was generally sandwiched between 45 HR Semien and a silver slugger Teoscar

 

That would have turned out nice. Great suggestion. We won't ever know what other trade possibilities were out there for either Kirk or Moreno.

[Ehjays]

Shi Davidi says "If the Blue Jays don’t trust Berrios enough to face Max Kepler and Alex Kirilloff twice in a game, then they should have committed 131 million dollars to someone they do instead." Like to hear Atkins response to that.

[BatFlip]

Jays definitely overpaid for a .700 OPS CF bat. Could have just signed KK again instead of trading LGJ and Moreno for Varsho!

 

I commented today on another thread that I wasn't a fan of the Moreno / Varsho deal, but that doesn't change the fact that Varsho is still a valuable piece. I'm perfectly fine with Varsho patrolling CF, the guy is a defensive stud and he might bounce back next year with the bat.

 

KK was a bit of a gamble that paid off - He was more an injury prone .650 - .700 ops guy coming off hip surgery and it wasn't clear if he'd maintain his ++ defense. I'm super interested to see what his market is going to be in the offseason given his age (33).

[hanton]

Shi Davidi says "If the Blue Jays don’t trust Berrios enough to face Max Kepler and Alex Kirilloff twice in a game, then they should have committed 131 million dollars to someone they do instead." Like to hear Atkins response to that.

 

You know you're in trouble when Shi Davidi is s***ing on the team

 

This game was lost because of that move

[BatFlip]

Shi Davidi says "If the Blue Jays don’t trust Berrios enough to face Max Kepler and Alex Kirilloff twice in a game, then they should have committed 131 million dollars to someone they do instead." Like to hear Atkins response to that.

 

Shi Davidi throwing shade. Nice.

[Stangstag]

You know you're in trouble when Shi Davidi is s***ing on the team

 

This game was lost because of that move

 

Nah it wasn’t. This game was lost because the team can’t f***ing hit