GDT: Jays @ Rays... No GDT, bunch of pussos! Part 2...

[Masterbather]

Dude, I know what Romano is, and he's a stud. Hear me, a f***ing stud. Give your collective head a shake, no one think's he's elite or Rivera, ya dingleberry.

 

A stud? Come on dude now you're just being stupid.

[jaysblue]

Without an elite pitcher in the bullpen, yeah you have to sort of deal with having him as your closer. Most teams don't have an elite closer so what can you do?

I wish we had one of the elite closers in baseball I'll tell you that much. It makes a difference in the postseason, as we've already seen with Romano. It's one of the reasons I don't think this team can win a world series because we don't have enough elite arms. Gausman is the only one.

 

Sure, some other closers I would rank ahead of Romano:

 

Bautista

Williams

Clase

Hader

Bednar

Munoz

Alexis Diaz

Edwin Diaz (when healthy)

Liam Hendriks (when healthy)

 

Would still consider Romano a Top 10 closer in the game. Even with that list, couldn't list 10 closers I would prefer ahead of him. Romano has been very good and consistent as a closer. He's perfectly fine!

[Masterbather]

Sure, some other closers I would rank ahead of Romano:

 

Bautista

Williams

Clase

Hader

Bednar

Munoz

Alexis Diaz

Edwin Diaz (when healthy)

Liam Hendriks (when healthy)

 

Would still consider Romano a Top 10 closer in the game. Even with that list, couldn't list 10 closers I would prefer ahead of him. Romano has been very good and consistent as a closer. He's perfectly fine!

 

He's fine, exactly, not elite. Some of the guys you name there are clearly better than him. There's a difference between good and great. It matters. I never said he sucked I just said he's not elite. He's about as good as Mayza or Swanson, very good pitchers all of them, but a notch below the upper echelon. Those top guys are tough to get, but it's nice to have them.

[Spanky99]

He's no Mariano Rivera...

 

Thanks Tips!

[Spanky99]

He's fine, exactly, not elite. Some of the guys you name there are clearly better than him. There's a difference between good and great. It matters. I never said he sucked I just said he's not elite. He's about as good as Mayza or Swanson, very good pitchers all of them, but a notch below the upper echelon. Those top guys are tough to get, but it's nice to have them.

 

You've said in the past this pen is short of talent and shyte, now you finally acknowledge the talent in the pen, weird.

[jaysblue]

He's fine, exactly, not elite. Some of the guys you name there are clearly better than him. There's a difference between good and great. It matters. I never said he sucked I just said he's not elite. He's about as good as Mayza or Swanson, very good pitchers all of them, but a notch below the upper echelon. Those top guys are tough to get, but it's nice to have them.

 

Yeah he's not a top 3 or 5 closer in baseball. Only those guys would be considered elite really and there aren't many. There are some elite relievers as well who aren't closers since they haven't been given the opportunity yet as well.

 

Romano has shown he's capable of handling the closers role over the last 3 seasons, so he's definitely better than Swanson and Mayza when it comes to that regard. Some pitchers can't handle the ninth inning, no matter how good their stuff is.

 

Did the Astros have an elite closer last season when they won the World Series? Romano had a higher WAR and more saves than Ryan Pressly did last season. Romano isn't an issue at all and isn't going to hold the Jays back from winning a World Series.

[Masterbather]

He's no Mariano Rivera...

 

Thanks Tips!

 

If we had the 2021 offense, or better frontline talent in the rotation, I'd be more than fine with him as the closer, but this team is always going to play on thin margins because of their inability to score a lot of runs. So it puts incredible pressure on the bullpen, especially on the closer always having to defend one run games. If you're going to play like that you kind of need an elite closer.

 

I assume you watched the playoffs last year, I assume you saw what happened to your stud.

[Key22]

Even Elite closers blow it from time to time - see Mariano Rivera's 4 blown saves in the playoffs. No one better than Mariano.

 

And Romano isn't Rivera. Tampa is a better team than us - you don't want to be in too many 1-2 run games with them because they'll find ways to come up clutch.

[jaysblue]

He's no Mariano Rivera...

 

Thanks Tips!

 

I don't think anyone was.

 

Maybe Trevor Hoffman and Billy Wagner came close. Jansen in his glory days with the Dodgers put together a stretch of really solid years. Kimbrel when he was with Atlanta. Can't think of anyone else really over the last 2-3 decades.

 

Guys like Eric Gagne and Brad Lidge had amazing standout seasons where they were just spectacular, but they weren't consistent over a long period.

[Masterbather]

Yeah he's not a top 3 or 5 closer in baseball. Only those guys would be considered elite really and there aren't many. There are some elite relievers as well who aren't closers since they haven't been given the opportunity yet as well.

 

Romano has shown he's capable of handling the closers role over the last 3 seasons, so he's definitely better than Swanson and Mayza when it comes to that regard. Some pitchers can't handle the ninth inning, no matter how good their stuff is.

 

Did the Astros have an elite closer last season when they won the World Series? Romano had a higher WAR and more saves than Ryan Pressly did last season. Romano isn't an issue at all and isn't going to hold the Jays back from winning a World Series.

See my response to Spanky. If we had a great offense, or better frontline starting talent, we wouldn't need Romano to be elite but this team plays it way too close to the margin. Again, I'm not blaming Romano for that, it's just the reality of the team we have.

[Masterbather]

I don't think anyone was.

 

Maybe Trevor Hoffman and Billy Wagner came close. Jansen in his glory days with the Dodgers put together a stretch of really solid years. Kimbrel when he was with Atlanta. Can't think of anyone else really over the last 2-3 decades.

 

Nobody expects anybody to be Rivera, Spanky is just being a dick.

[Spanky99]

If we had the 2021 offense, or better frontline talent in the rotation, I'd be more than fine with him as the closer, but this team is always going to play on thin margins because of their inability to score a lot of runs. So it puts incredible pressure on the bullpen, especially on the closer always having to defend one run games. If you're going to play like that you kind of need an elite closer.

 

I assume you watched the playoffs last year, I assume you saw what happened to your stud.

 

lol... I can't man... one appearance? And did you watch that unfold?

[jaysblue]

See my response to Spanky. If we had a great offense, or better frontline starting talent, we wouldn't need Romano to be elite but this team plays it way too close to the margin. Again, I'm not blaming Romano for that, it's just the reality of the team we have.

 

The issue with the Jays this season has been the lineup. Even if you had a Felix Bautista as a closer, doubt the Jays are leading the AL East or WC.

[jaysblue]

Even if Mariano Rivera was the Jays closer this season, they probably just have another win or two. They still would be behind the Rays for the top WC spot and Baltimore for the division.

 

There is nothing wrong with Romano as the closer.

[Masterbather]

lol... I can't man... one appearance? And did you watch that unfold?

 

It was hard to watch but I forced myself to. You ignored everything else I said. The type of team we have puts incredible pressure on our bullpen and closer, if we were better in other areas we wouldn't have to be perfect at the end.

[jaysblue]

It was hard to watch but I forced myself to. You ignored everything else I said. The type of team we have puts incredible pressure on our bullpen and closer, if we were better in other areas we wouldn't have to be perfect at the end.

 

Yeah the offense has been horse s*** this season. You don't build a team from the bullpen up. You build a team starting with positional players and starting pitchers. Bullpen arms are the final pieces. When you have a World Series contending team, then you can go all out to make BP upgrades. But even then, it's not a guarantee. So far the lineup has been the huge disappointment.

 

Even if the Jays had guys like Bautista, Diaz, Williams all in their bullpen this season, they likely aren't in the lead for the division or WC lol.

[Spanky99]

It was hard to watch but I forced myself to. You ignored everything else I said. The type of team we have puts incredible pressure on our bullpen and closer, if we were better in other areas we wouldn't have to be perfect at the end.

 

Baseball.

[Masterbather]

The issue with the Jays this season has been the lineup. Even if you had a Felix Bautista as a closer, doubt the Jays are leading the AL East or WC.

It would make a difference in the playoffs to have a guy like Bautista with consistent one-run leads.

 

We have a pitching staff that's constantly pitching with a gun to its head because of our offense. It's not like we have three aces to constantly hold teams down to one or two runs either.

 

The closer you play to the margins the better your pitching has to be to lock it down. It's not Romano's fault but it does magnify his role.

[jaysblue]

It would make a difference in the playoffs to have a guy like Bautista with consistent one-run leads.

 

We have a pitching staff that's constantly pitching with a gun to its head because of our offense. It's not like we have three aces to constantly hold teams down to one or two runs either.

 

The closer you play to the margins the better your pitching has to be to lock it down. It's not Romano's fault but it does magnify his role.

 

It's the fault of the players for under performing. Then some blame can be placed on the coaching staff and some can be placed on the GM/front office for putting this team together.

 

Sure having a Felix Bautista would help in the Postseason, but is there any realistic chance the Jays could have added an arm like him at the deadline?

[Spanky99]

It's the fault of the players for under performing. Then some blame can be placed on the coaching staff and some can be placed on the GM/front office for putting this team together.

 

Sure having a Felix Bautista would help in the Postseason, but is there any realistic chance the Jays could have added an arm like him at the deadline?

 

The Jays added the best arms at the deadline, lol.

[Jaysareus]

Romano blows another game

[jaysblue]

Romano blows another game

 

Lmao he had a stretch of 26 consecutive saves before today's game.

[Masterbather]

It's the fault of the players for under performing. Then some blame can be placed on the coaching staff and some can be placed on the GM/front office for putting this team together.

 

Sure having a Felix Bautista would help in the Postseason, but is there any realistic chance the Jays could have added an arm like him at the deadline?

 

I'm not sure what was available, maybe asking prices just weren't met, like with Hader.

 

I certainly have been putting blame on the front office all season. I didn't like the off-season, I was surprised how many people here seemed to like what they did. I didn't think we're closer to a world series this year than we were last year and I didn't think we were a world series team last year. 2021 may have been the window, and we let a lousy bullpen destroy that.

 

They built a very good team, but It's a little too deficient. Granted there aren't a lot of great teams out there outside of Atlanta due to injuries and suspensions and whatnot. If our offense was just a little bit better, or if our rotation just have a little bit more frontline talent, I might believe in this team given the competition, but it just seems to fall a little too short for me.

[jaysblue]

I'm not sure what was available, maybe asking prices just weren't met, like with Hader.

 

I certainly have been putting blame on the front office all season. I didn't like the off-season, I was surprised how many people here seemed to like what they did. I didn't think we're closer to a world series this year than we were last year and I didn't think we were a world series team last year. 2021 may have been the window, and we let a lousy bullpen destroy that.

 

They built a very good team, but It's a little too deficient. Granted there aren't a lot of great teams out there outside of Atlanta due to injuries and suspensions and whatnot. If our offense was just a little bit better, or if our rotation just have a little bit more frontline talent, I might believe in this team given the competition, but it just seems to fall a little too short for me.

 

Yeah I agree, this Jays team isn't an elite team by any stretch of the imagination. They are what their record says they are right now - a borderline Wildcard/playoff team.

 

If they get into the Postseason, they could definitely make some noise, get hot and go on a run. They have an impressive rotation and the bullpen is still very solid and deep, if used properly. Right now the goal is just to get in and go from there.

 

2021 was definitely the best window IMO. It's unfortunate they never were able to take advantage of that opportunity. A lot of blame could be placed on Atkins and the FO for not addressing the issues in the pen earlier.

[BigCecil]

Could argue we shouldn’t have been ahead anyways if not for some crazy luck.

 

We’ve had some crazy luck in general this past week, can’t expect to come out on top every time

 

We can argue whatever we want. It’s all just math at the EOD. We will know soon enough if we have enough Ws to play on, or not. It’s nice to win the ones that you have the highest win probabilities in, especially as we near the end. We just have to avoid a skid of consecutive Ls the last few games like TEX series. It’s going to be a photo finish.

[Stangstag]

We can argue whatever we want. It’s all just math at the EOD. We will know soon enough if we have enough Ws to play on, or not. It’s nice to win the ones that you have the highest win probabilities in, especially as we near the end. We just have to avoid a skid of consecutive Ls the last few games like TEX series. It’s going to be a photo finish.

 

Yeah they did this to themselves with the terrible Texas series. It is what it is.

[Omar]

Got to flush it. We can still win the series. Jays showed something today: they can come back.

 

The real problem today wasn't just Romano, it was Ryu spotting them five runs.

[Spanky99]

Got to flush it. We can still win the series. Jays showed something today: they can come back.

 

The real problem today wasn't just Romano, it was Ryu spotting them five runs.

 

I'm out on the GDT. I'll be on a plane tomorrow.

[Jonn]

I'm not even mad at Romano. The move was going to the lefty there or walking Lowe. For a team that's apparently very analytical we make a lot of dumb f***ing anti analytical decisions.

[jaysblue]

I'm out on the GDT. I'll be on a plane tomorrow.

 

Have a safe flight mate! Enjoy some Beau's on the plane!