GDT: 3/3 Toronto Blue Jays @ Cincinnati Reds (Sunday 1:40 ET)

[Delgalladay]

Nice relaxing win. Needed that.

[Jonn]

Bowden Francis with the well earned save.

[JaysAllMighty]

Jays Win! Jays Win! Jays Win!

[Captain_Obvious]

It’s hard to imagine Clement is a worse SS. Espinal is well below average in every category.

 

It looks like nobody cares about loyalty here anymore! SAD!

[Omar]

Series W secured....on to the next.

 

[Jonn]

It looks like nobody cares about loyalty here anymore! SAD!

 

You don’t say loyal to s***. You flush it.

[gruber92]

Chapman's batting is painful to watch.

 

The most impressive thing about Clement is his 4.4 K% which is one of the best rates in the minors. If he is reliable at SS I would 100% bring him up.

 

It’s hard to imagine Clement is a worse SS. Espinal is well below average in every category.

 

Given the fact that we're in a tight race and everything will be magnified the rest of the way, you'd think you would want to improve and have the best plsyers available. This ******** respect Ross and some other GMs give to players such as Espinal is mind blowing.

[John_Havok]

I know I’m a bit late here but are people legitimately criticizing Schneider removing a pitcher who just came off TJ surgery recovery and rehab a few weeks ago at 83 pitches with a massive lead, or is it just weak trolling?

[G-Snarls]

Impressive win wow

[G-Snarls]

Mariners win again jeez

 

I guess the positive side of that is they brought the Astros back to takeover distance

[Jaysareus]

Jay's will miss the playoffs Seattle too go to catch

[jaysguy44]

Jay's will miss the playoffs Seattle too go to catch

Yes, Seattle will hold all 3 spots in the WC.

[G-Snarls]

Jays need to win 2 in Baltimore then take advantage of an easy schedule afterwards

 

Meanwhile Rays hopefully fall further back as well

[Terminator]

Mariners win again jeez

 

I guess the positive side of that is they brought the Astros back to takeover distance

 

Yeah we are a half game back of W3 and just 2 games back of WC2 now.

 

Seattle's upcoming schedule is cake. If we can keep pace with them through this part of the schedule with them we will be in a good spot.

[DonJays]

I know I’m a bit late here but are people legitimately criticizing Schneider removing a pitcher who just came off TJ surgery recovery and rehab a few weeks ago at 83 pitches with a massive lead, or is it just weak trolling?

Sometimes all you can do is shake your head. Idiots!

[jaysguy44]

I know I’m a bit late here but are people legitimately criticizing Schneider removing a pitcher who just came off TJ surgery recovery and rehab a few weeks ago at 83 pitches with a massive lead, or is it just weak trolling?

Just the same usual suspects, who bitch & moan about everything

[max silver]

I know I’m a bit late here but are people legitimately criticizing Schneider removing a pitcher who just came off TJ surgery recovery and rehab a few weeks ago at 83 pitches with a massive lead, or is it just weak trolling?

 

I can't understand this line of thinking either. It's like a lot of posters simply don't care about protecting the health of the starters in the slightest given the constant complaining about not pushing them further. Despite this constant complaining the team is actually near the top of MLB in innings pitched by the starters, only 7 innings behind first place Tampa Bay heading into today's game.

 

I really don't see why Schneider takes so much heat over his management of the pitching staff. The starters have been kept remarkably healthy this season, and it stands to reason that not constantly pushing them to 100+ pitches every start has been a big part of this. The team is in a stretch where they have a lot of off days in order to rest the pen as needed, the pen is extremely deep with effective middle and leverage relievers, and the team has one of baseball's best bullpens as well.

[WryNGinger]

I know I’m a bit late here but are people legitimately criticizing Schneider removing a pitcher who just came off TJ surgery recovery and rehab a few weeks ago at 83 pitches with a massive lead, or is it just weak trolling?

 

He threw 86 in his previous start and the idea of recovery is to show progress...which he is doing. He was cruising at 83 pitches against a young team that 'might...ahem' allow him to to work on his stuff without a huge risk of getting lit-up.

 

Post season is around corner and it was a risk free opportunity to see if he could maybe go an extra inning and hit 90-ish pitches. Get 2 guys up to mitigate the risk and let him chuck a couple more. PLUS the fact he is free agent next season...I don't think he was begging to be pulled because he felt overworked.

[Olerud363]

I know IÂ’m a bit late here but are people legitimately criticizing Schneider removing a pitcher who just came off TJ surgery recovery and rehab a few weeks ago at 83 pitches with a massive lead, or is it just weak trolling?

 

It's been an ongoing theme that the starters should not be removed while cruising in the 6th. I jumped in once when they took Kikuchi out in the 6th of a 2-0 game at 75 pitches, lost the game anyway using 5 relievers, blew a 7-4 lead the next day because Pearson had to be used given the other relievers were tired and later on that road trip lost a 7-3 lead in the 9th because everybody was burnt out (including Swanson) and they actually had to use White in that same game in super high leverage.

 

OK. So what I am trying to get at is they are probably (like most teams) using analytics to calculate when to remove the starter, and most times 6th inning apr. 90 pitches is about right considering 3rd time through the order numbers, considering starters health etc.

 

However there are occasionally times where you have to push the starter a bit more given upcoming schedule, bullpen fatigue, etc. So a pretty nuanced issue, but the board doesn't have much nuance, always getting pissed when the pitcher is removed 'early' instead of just getting pissed at the odd time it was the wrong move.

[jaysblue]

It's been an ongoing theme that the starters should not be removed while cruising in the 6th. I jumped in once when they took Kikuchi out in the 6th of a 2-0 game at 75 pitches, lost the game anyway using 5 relievers, blew a 7-4 lead the next day because Pearson had to be used given the other relievers were tired and later on that road trip lost a 7-3 lead in the 9th because everybody was burnt out (including Swanson) and they actually had to use White in that same game in super high leverage.

 

OK. So what I am trying to get at is they are probably (like most teams) using analytics to calculate when to remove the starter, and most times 6th inning apr. 90 pitches is about right considering 3rd time through the order numbers, considering starters health etc.

 

However there are occasionally times where you have to push the starter a bit more given upcoming schedule, bullpen fatigue, etc. So a pretty nuanced issue, but the board doesn't have much nuance, always getting pissed when the pitcher is removed 'early' instead of just getting pissed at the odd time it was the wrong move.

 

I had no issue removing Ryu after 83 pitches in what was a blowout and given the Jays had an off day. Really was no point in stretching him close to 100 pitches in a blowout. As long as the Jays long and middle relievers sealed the deal without having to burn through high leverage guys, that's fine.

 

I don't have an issue with pushing more from the starters given the in-game circumstances. For example in a close scoring game, would rather see the starter complete 6 innings especially if they're cruising. It's easier for the bullpen to finish off 3 innings instead of 4 innings, especially in a close matchup. If you pull your starter out after 5 innings, you're going to be forced to use guys lower on your BP depth charts to get outs and that sometimes could become an issue.

 

I'm not worried about the Blue Jays high leverage guys - Romano, Hicks, Mayza, Swanson. Once a game reaches the 7th or 8th inning, you want those guys in the game to close it out.

 

Obviously, I still think last years bullpen implosion against the Mariners in Game 2 is still fresh in the minds of many, including myself. Which is why we associate Schneider as a manager who always gives an early hook. For the most part, guys like Gausman, Bassitt and Berrios and even Kikuchi have been giving the Jays innings this season.

[Spanky99]

It's been an ongoing theme that the starters should not be removed while cruising in the 6th. I jumped in once when they took Kikuchi out in the 6th of a 2-0 game at 75 pitches, lost the game anyway using 5 relievers, blew a 7-4 lead the next day because Pearson had to be used given the other relievers were tired and later on that road trip lost a 7-3 lead in the 9th because everybody was burnt out (including Swanson) and they actually had to use White in that same game in super high leverage.

 

OK. So what I am trying to get at is they are probably (like most teams) using analytics to calculate when to remove the starter, and most times 6th inning apr. 90 pitches is about right considering 3rd time through the order numbers, considering starters health etc.

 

However there are occasionally times where you have to push the starter a bit more given upcoming schedule, bullpen fatigue, etc. So a pretty nuanced issue, but the board doesn't have much nuance, always getting pissed when the pitcher is removed 'early' instead of just getting pissed at the odd time it was the wrong move.

 

They were playing a DH that day too, that was moronic, but I have zero problem resting Ryu in a blowout followed by a day off. That early pull by Schneider with Kooch lost them likely 2 games in that stretch. Good post, I agree.