GDT: 1/4 Toronto Blue Jays @ Boston Red Sux (7:10pm et)

[G-Snarls]

Goddammit

 

s***** loss

[Stangstag]

They are really pissing away any shot at the division.

 

18-11 is pissing away a shot at the division??

 

Come on now

[Carlos Danger]

Well, the closer closed it down alright. Closes the concession stands and the stadium right quickly..

[Solaxys]

18-11 is pissing away a shot at the division??

 

Come on now

 

Rays/Os not losing these kinds of games! (Well Rays lost one like this) They are consistently destroying teams if they give them chances.

 

We are playing keep-up and we have the hardest schedule in May.

[Brownie19]

Schneider will give us the "sometimes it just happens".

 

what would you like his answer to be to the useless questions asked by the reporters that NOBODY should listen to?

[Solaxys]

what would you like his answer to be to the useless questions asked by the reporters that NOBODY should listen to?

 

No one asks the right questions and that is just as annoying.

[Stangstag]

Rays/Os not losing these kinds of games! (Well Rays lost one like this) They are consistently destroying teams if they give them chances.

 

We are playing keep-up and we have the hardest schedule in May.

 

Yeah that’s not gonna last, both teams playing over their heads

[Jarry]

No worries our ace Kikuchi goes manana

[Solaxys]

Yeah that’s not gonna last, both teams playing over their heads

 

We said that last year about Yankees too.

 

At the end, even when they regressed, we could not catch up.

[Jays24]

So when does Varsho start getting more heat for being absolutely trash at the plate?

 

He should be nowhere near the cleanup spot. Enough of the lineup balance BS when almost all you're lefties SUCK at the plate.

[Stangstag]

We said that last year about Yankees too.

 

At the end, even when they regressed, we could not catch up.

 

Yeah ok well I don’t consider that “pissing away the division”. Its just that the Yankees and Rays were/are playing out of their minds and ran away with it

[Olerud363]

They are really pissing away any shot at the division.

 

They are pissing away the division by not choosing the right left handed hitters. All of a sudden how do the Red Sox have 7 left handed hitters better than any of the Blue Jays four lefties?

 

Verdugo, Yoshida, Devers - Way better than any Blue Jay lefties. Way better.

 

Duran, Cassas, Valdez - Better than any Blue Jays lefties except Varsho if he turns it around

 

Reese Mcguire - Better than Biggio and Belt. And maybe better than Keirmair and even Varsho if he doesn't turn it around

 

Reese Mcguire is like a .260 .310 .380 guy life time and honestly are any Blue Jays left handed hitters doing better than that this year? Like even if Varsho recovers he may have an off year and struggle to beat Reese because 20% of the season is in the books and that will weight him down.

 

Red Sox offense looks good, and their pitching? Haven't thought much about it, but hell, they are probably looking at Berrios, Basitt and Manoah and not scared.

 

Like is there a reason that Bassitt is for sure destined to be better than Kluber.

 

I don't care much about single losses but this Red Sox team looks a lot better than I thought it would with a bunch of young interesting left handed bats.

 

1 game. Maybe I'm over-reacting.

[Olerud363]

They are pissing away the division by not choosing the right left handed hitters. All of a sudden how do the Red Sox have 7 left handed hitters better than any of the Blue Jays four lefties?

 

Verdugo, Yoshida, Devers - Way better than any Blue Jay lefties. Way better.

 

Duran, Cassas, Valdez - Better than any Blue Jays lefties except Varsho if he turns it around

 

Reese Mcguire - Better than Biggio and Belt. And maybe better than Keirmair and even Varsho if he doesn't turn it around

 

Reese Mcguire is like a .260 .310 .380 guy life time and honestly are any Blue Jays left handed hitters doing better than that this year? Like even if Varsho recovers he may have an off year and struggle to beat Reese because 20% of the season is in the books and that will weight him down.

 

Red Sox offense looks good, and their pitching? Haven't thought much about it, but hell, they are probably looking at Berrios, Basitt and Manoah and not scared.

 

Like is there a reason that Bassitt is for sure destined to be better than Kluber.

 

I don't care much about single losses but this Red Sox team looks a lot better than I thought it would with a bunch of young interesting left handed bats.

 

1 game. Maybe I'm over-reacting.

 

OK. Big rant but true.

 

Lost this game because Belt and Varsho suck. Red Sox won because young exciting left handed hitters, hit the ball 430 feet.

[Stangstag]

They are pissing away the division by not choosing the right left handed hitters. All of a sudden how do the Red Sox have 7 left handed hitters better than any of the Blue Jays four lefties?

 

Verdugo, Yoshida, Devers - Way better than any Blue Jay lefties. Way better.

 

Duran, Cassas, Valdez - Better than any Blue Jays lefties except Varsho if he turns it around

 

Reese Mcguire - Better than Biggio and Belt. And maybe better than Keirmair and even Varsho if he doesn't turn it around

 

Reese Mcguire is like a .260 .310 .380 guy life time and honestly are any Blue Jays left handed hitters doing better than that this year? Like even if Varsho recovers he may have an off year and struggle to beat Reese because 20% of the season is in the books and that will weight him down.

 

Red Sox offense looks good, and their pitching? Haven't thought much about it, but hell, they are probably looking at Berrios, Basitt and Manoah and not scared.

 

Like is there a reason that Bassitt is for sure destined to be better than Kluber.

 

I don't care much about single losses but this Red Sox team looks a lot better than I thought it would with a bunch of young interesting left handed bats.

 

1 game. Maybe I'm over-reacting.

 

Over-reacting

[Olerud363]

Over-reacting

 

Maybe. Hard not to when seeing Red Sox left handed batters hit 430 foot bombs with ease, and real possibility that Biggio and Belt get released (or Biggio sent down).

 

If we are talking about the last 2 games biggest difference maker is lack of hitting from the left side.

 

Mariners - 3 left handed hitters hit homers. Blue Jays left handed hitters can't even get in the game.

 

Red Sox - 3 left handed hitters hit homers to win game. Blue Jays left handed hitters have to be pinch hit for by 5 foot 2 340 pound guy.

 

I see a problem.

[spats]

Also, man, Vlad really needs to be a clutch factor.

 

He would rather someone else win a game for them so he can get him with the ice bath. Almost as annoying as the seeds.

[Ray]

Verdugo’s walk off is only a home run in 8/30 parks. Romano generally has been elite at suppressing hard contact this year (99th percentile in Hard-Hit%). Wasn’t a great pitch or anything but a little unlucky imo.

[Daniel Labude]

Maybe. Hard not to when seeing Red Sox left handed batters hit 430 foot bombs with ease, and real possibility that Biggio and Belt get released (or Biggio sent down).

 

If we are talking about the last 2 games biggest difference maker is lack of hitting from the left side.

 

Mariners - 3 left handed hitters hit homers. Blue Jays left handed hitters can't even get in the game.

 

Red Sox - 3 left handed hitters hit homers to win game. Blue Jays left handed hitters have to be pinch hit for by 5 foot 2 340 pound guy.

 

I see a problem.

 

Yeah. Jays still don't have a LHH . Belt and Biggio need to be DFA

[Stangstag]

Verdugo’s walk off is only a home run in 8/30 parks. Romano generally has been elite at suppressing hard contact this year (99th percentile in Hard-Hit%). Wasn’t a great pitch or anything but a little unlucky imo.

 

Also some weird s*** going on with the wind. Just an unlucky game on offense. Lots of screamers right at fielders. Redsox did gift us 2 runs though.

[Stangstag]

Yeah. Jays still don't have a LHH . Belt and Biggio need to be DFA

 

Im willing to give Biggio some more rope since he can at least play a few positions. But Belt is just not showing signs of life and he plays a useless position. And he’s slow as f***.

[Olerud363]

Im willing to give Biggio some more rope since he can at least play a few positions. But Belt is just not showing signs of life and he plays a useless position. And heÂ’s slow as f***.

 

Honestly though who do you replace him with?

 

1. Kirk ? - Already doing this a bit, and unless you get another catcher Kirk won't DH much more than he is, and then you are just replacing Belts bat with a backup catcher.

2. Give Merrifield some DH at bats getting Espinal and Biggio in more... but then again essentially replacing Belt with awful hitters.

 

3. Horwitz - at first glance it seems he could be a Lyle Overbay type -- but I am guessing he just isn't showing quite enough power in the minors for anything to translate... though his line drive bat and plate discipline looks good, but like he's not Lyle Overbay (40 double 18 homer guy) but more like a 5 homer guy, unless somehow his power picks up in the majors.

 

It's like the left handed bats that seemed totally replaceable Vogelbech, Tellez, Noda look good now, though I guess they aren't that good, just some fat guy who can left handed, hit .240 and hit bombs sometime in the 5th inning to make the game 7-4 is useful compared to the .150 hitting crap that we have.

 

What about that kid Roden in Vancouver. lol. Probably better than Belt and Biggio (or maybe not, probably the type that hits .220 when he gets to aa).

 

f***. Why can't we get some Japanese left handed hitter that can hit .280 .380 .450.

[Jonn]

18-11 is pissing away a shot at the division??

 

Come on now

 

These are games you can't lose. Its just a comedy of errors and bad decisions. You can't win the Division early but you can certainly lose it. Rays pitching is way to good to get into a huge hole.

[Olerud363]

They are really pissing away any shot at the division.

 

Not really. If Belt, Biggio, Varsho turned it around and Guerrero and Berrios returned to 2021 form I would actually guarantee they win the division.

 

That would be 2 (Belt), 2 (Biggio), 4 (Varsho), 6 (Guerrero) and 4 (Berrios) = 18 wins.

 

However if those 4 are -1 (Belt), -1 (Biggio), 2 (Varsho), 4 (Guerrero) and 2 (Berrios) = 6 wins. That's a difference of 12 wins.

 

So it's not the two s***** losses that piss away the division, but more like the realization that some of the things that need to happen to win the division aren't happening yet.

 

It may seem strange to mention Guerrero, given he is on pace for a great season, just seems the big time power and clutch hits aren't there yet, and he could easily end up more like 2022 then 2021... hope to be 100% wrong on that.

[Daniel Labude]

Biggest issue tonight....why was Swanson unavailable again

[Olerud363]

Biggest issue tonight....why was Swanson unavailable again

 

Was he unavailable? The only obvious time to put him in was when it got to 5-5, but Pearson was looking good.

 

If he was unavailable it could be a workload thing. They may not have wanted to use both him and Romero, which would put them both at 3/4 days used, which could have made them unavailable tomorrow, though you don't know what tomorrow will bring... but maybe they have some workload metrics as they likely want to avoid having a reliever go 80 games or 90 innings. Just guessing, don't know for sure.

[Daniel Labude]

Was he unavailable? The only obvious time to put him in was when it got to 5-5, but Pearson was looking good.

 

If he was unavailable it could be a workload thing. They may not have wanted to use both him and Romero, which would put them both at 3/4 days used, which could have made them unavailable tomorrow, though you don't know what tomorrow will bring... but maybe they have some workload metrics as they likely want to avoid having a reliever go 80 games or 90 innings. Just guessing, don't know for sure.

 

 

I think him not being a possibility with Garcia out cause them to pitch Berrios too long

[Carlos Danger]

Not really. If Belt, Biggio, Varsho turned it around and Guerrero and Berrios returned to 2021 form I would actually guarantee they win the division.

 

That would be 2 (Belt), 2 (Biggio), 4 (Varsho), 6 (Guerrero) and 4 (Berrios) = 18 wins.

 

However if those 4 are -1 (Belt), -1 (Biggio), 2 (Varsho), 4 (Guerrero) and 2 (Berrios) = 6 wins. That's a difference of 12 wins.

 

So it's not the two s***** losses that piss away the division, but more like the realization that some of the things that need to happen to win the division aren't happening yet.

 

It may seem strange to mention Guerrero, given he is on pace for a great season, just seems the big time power and clutch hits aren't there yet, and he could easily end up more like 2022 then 2021... hope to be 100% wrong on that.

 

Where is the mention of pitching (*apart from Berrios) in this. Pitching wins us divisions and playoffs.

[thatoneguy]

This division is such a f***ing shithole.

[G-Snarls]

Yankees coughed up a brutal loss tonight too

[Olerud363]

Where is the mention of pitching (*apart from Berrios) in this. Pitching wins us divisions and playoffs.

 

Anyone who has followed the team for decades knows this isn't true. Scoring more runs than the opponent wins divisions and playoffs. Some of the best pitching teams the Jays have had were mediocre (97, 2008) because of hitting problems.

 

I also didn't say that my scenario (Biggio/Belt/Varsho rebound Guerrero/Berrios returns to 2021 form) was the only scenario where they win the division. If Gaussman has a sub 2 ERA, Bo Bichette wins the batting title, Pearson and Pop break out with an elite reliever season, Kirk takes another step forward to become an elite hitter and is an all star again they probably win the division.

 

Teams win the division by a bunch of guys having good seasons and no group of guys having horrible seasons. No magic pitching thing here, it's just run differential. If they score 620 runs and give up 600 they don't win the division. If they score 850 and give up 700 they might.

 

Anyway my scenario was more focusing on the guys who are the weak links with no obvious replacements right now. Team has sub-replacement hitters in Belt, Biggio, Varsho, so it's low hanging fruit for 'self improvement' (they need to rebound). And then Berrios of course, whos underlying metrics seem good, but somehow is still putting up a 5.3 ERA.