Trevor Bauer and Moustakas became FA

[Jimcanuck]

Impossible to quantify.

 

Impossible to quantify to a reasonable degree of accuracy, true. But we have seen the impact of bad publicity on corporations in the past, so there some empirical data to help make the assessment.

 

Does signing Bauer reduce the number of Vlad, Bo, Manoah jerseys sold?

 

Does signing Bauer mean X number of fans abandon the team, for life?

 

Only the FO has a full grasp of the various revenue streams from the Toronto Blue Jays and can assess what the impact on each might be.

 

Generally corporations will err on the side of caution (risk averse). Bauer might bring the Jays closer to a WS, but that's not the objective of the Toronto Blue Jays. $$$, this year, and in future years, is.

[Brownie19]

Impossible to quantify to a reasonable degree of accuracy, true. But we have seen the impact of bad publicity on corporations in the past, so there some empirical data to help make the assessment.

 

Does signing Bauer reduce the number of Vlad, Bo, Manoah jerseys sold?

 

Does signing Bauer mean X number of fans abandon the team, for life?

 

Only the FO has a full grasp of the various revenue streams from the Toronto Blue Jays and can assess what the impact on each might be.

 

Generally corporations will err on the side of caution (risk averse). Bauer might bring the Jays closer to a WS, but that's not the objective of the Toronto Blue Jays. $$$, this year, and in future years, is.

 

Winning a WS brings in a f***TON of money man...

[TheHurl]

Impossible to quantify to a reasonable degree of accuracy, true. But we have seen the impact of bad publicity on corporations in the past, so there some empirical data to help make the assessment.

 

Does signing Bauer reduce the number of Vlad, Bo, Manoah jerseys sold?

 

Does signing Bauer mean X number of fans abandon the team, for life?

 

Only the FO has a full grasp of the various revenue streams from the Toronto Blue Jays and can assess what the impact on each might be.

 

Generally corporations will err on the side of caution (risk averse). Bauer might bring the Jays closer to a WS, but that's not the objective of the Toronto Blue Jays. $$$, this year, and in future years, is.

 

I think you are looking at the risks a little incorrectly. The NFL and NBA have proven the "you have lost a fan for life" crowd either comes back or are replaced easily enough. The Heat fans have probably increased the teams jersey sales by burning jerseys when they are angry, then jumping back in the bandwagon. The risk for with Bauer isn't probably in lost revenue, but lost sponsorship, lost programing, and in the case of Rogers reputation loss.

 

The locker room distractions, the cancer in the room s*** is unknown by any of us. I honestly have no clue if front offices ever discuss a signing with a team or coaching staff, but as polarizing as Bauer is to the public, I would think a discussion with as many as possible would be beneficial.

[L54]

Impossible to quantify to a reasonable degree of accuracy, true. But we have seen the impact of bad publicity on corporations in the past, so there some empirical data to help make the assessment.

 

Care to provide examples of the impact bad publicity had on these teams in regards to players they brought in?

 

Does signing Bauer reduce the number of Vlad, Bo, Manoah jerseys sold?

 

We both know jersey sales are split amongst teams.

 

Does signing Bauer mean X number of fans abandon the team, for life?

 

Does signing Bauer and winning a division mean X number of people have been generated into life long fans?

 

Only the FO has a full grasp of the various revenue streams from the Toronto Blue Jays and can assess what the impact on each might be.

 

Generally corporations will err on the side of caution (risk averse). Bauer might bring the Jays closer to a WS, but that's not the objective of the Toronto Blue Jays. $$$, this year, and in future years, is.

 

Most have acknowledged the Blue Jays will not touch him. And a few others throughout the league. But there’s a yin to every yang and Bauer isn’t going to be black balled by the entire league because of a small minority of fans. Zero chance.

[Brownie19]

I think you are looking at the risks a little incorrectly. The NFL and NBA have proven the "you have lost a fan for life" crowd either comes back or are replaced easily enough. The Heat fans have probably increased the teams jersey sales by burning jerseys when they are angry, then jumping back in the bandwagon. The risk for with Bauer isn't probably in lost revenue, but lost sponsorship, lost programing, and in the case of Rogers reputation loss.

 

The locker room distractions, the cancer in the room s*** is unknown by any of us. I honestly have no clue if front offices ever discuss a signing with a team or coaching staff, but as polarizing as Bauer is to the public, I would think a discussion with as many as possible would be beneficial.

 

Thank you. I still remember all the original talk about Bauer and how he wasn't coachable. Turns out he was simply WAYYY more advanced than their coaches and thus resisted their outdated, dinosaur suggestions because they were wrong and would have made him a shittier pitcher. Perhaps he could have gone about those situations differently, but standing his ground wasn't wrong. Respect is earned, not assumed simply because you have grey hair.

[connorp]

Winning a WS brings in a f***TON of money man...

 

Brings in money, increases the value of the franchise, and increases the value of any sponsorship, or any tv contract coming up

 

We’re talking hundreds of millions. Of course a team that signed Bauer could suck and you deal with all the negative publicity for little benefit, but that’s a chance a team will have to take

 

As an example I’ve pointed out with the Watson thing in the NFL, teams really just have to brace themselves for that fierce two week Twitter backlash. If you can make it through that, the mob will have found something else to be triggered by

[Brownie19]

Do we have any evidence of how fans and the general public react in situations like this? I mean there are a few who really followed this case, know it inside and out and understand the nuances of the court systems and understand that just because he wasn't charged, doesn't mean he didn't do some really shaddy stuff. But that's got to be like 2% of baseball fans....These are the options I see:

 

Option 1 - Fans simply know he was suspended for a long time and assume he did something really bad? They hear sexual assault was involved and simply conclude he's a bad dude? This is the guilty through social media, cancel culture crowd I guess?

 

Option 2 - Fans know he was suspended for a long time for some sort of sexual assault, but they note he wasn't charged (while noticing he was simply suspended during the investigation and thus the length is a reflection of how slow the process is and now related to what he did), so they assume it must not have been that bad and they accept him back.

 

I would suspect the vast majority of baseball fans fall under Option 2. The issue is that sponsors are so risk adverse that they may not want to touch this with a 10 foot pole - and that is what's driving a teams decision.

[L54]

Is there an example of a team in any sport bringing in a player hated so badly by the fan base that they ended up regretting it?

[Brownie19]

Is there an example of a team in any sport bringing in a player hated so badly by the fan base that they ended up regretting it?

 

DeShawn Watson is the best current example. If an NFL team can make him the highest paid player in football and the FACE OF THEIR FRANCHISE after what, 22 allegations of sexual assault, then I don't see why at least 1 MLB team won't bring on Bauer. Is administering pain to a woman (who may or may not have wanted it as a sexual fantasy) significantly worse than forcing yourself / whiping it out?

 

Has there been significant backlash by fans in Cleveland over Watson? At this point, I think almost all the backlash is because he didn't play worth a s*** coming off that long layoff and now they are worried they gave up so much and so much cap space for someone who isn't a franchise QB.

[L54]

Do we have any evidence of how fans and the general public react in situations like this? I mean there are a few who really followed this case, know it inside and out and understand the nuances of the court systems and understand that just because he wasn't charged, doesn't mean he didn't do some really shaddy stuff. But that's got to be like 2% of baseball fans....These are the options I see:

 

Option 1 - Fans simply know he was suspended for a long time and assume he did something really bad? They hear sexual assualt was involved and simply conclude he's a bad dude? This is the guilty through social media, cancel culture crowd I guess?

 

Option 2 - Fans know he was suspended for a long time for some sort of sexual assualt, but they note he wasn't charged (while noticing he was simply suspended during the investigation and thus the length is a reflection of how slow the process is and now related to what he did), so they assume it must not have been that bad and they accept him back.

 

I would suspect the vast majority of baseball fans fall under Option 2. The issue is that sponsors are so risk adverse that they may not want to touch this with a 10 foot pole - and that is what's driving a teams decision.

 

I think your post is pretty much correct. Small percentage of people probably boycott while Bauer is there. Okay see ya later

 

Majority of fans can’t be bothered to care enough to boycott their favourite team. People have way bigger problems of their own than who team X employs and if the MLB says he’s allowed to play then play ball.

 

For sure there will be some teams that signing him isn’t worth the headache for whatever that reason might be. But Uncle Steve and the Houston Astros among others are probably doing their due diligence right now.

[L54]

DeShawn Watson is the best current example. If an NFL team can make him the highest paid player in football and the FACE OF THEIR FRANCHISE after what, 22 allegations of sexual assault, then I don't see why at least 1 MLB team won't bring on Bauer. Is administering pain to a woman (who may or may not have wanted it as a sexual fantasy) significantly worse than forcing yourself / whiping it out?

 

Has there been significant backlash by fans in Cleveland over Watson? At this point, I think almost all the backlash is because he didn't play worth a s*** coming off that long layoff and now they are worried they gave up so much and so much cap space for someone who isn't a franchise QB.

 

I’ll be honest I really don’t know much about this situation. I watch some football on Sunday usually but don’t follow the league much at all. But if what you’re saying is correct (and I assume it is) then it’s hard to imagine someone not signing Bauer.

[Brownie19]

I think your post is pretty much correct. Small percentage of people probably boycott while Bauer is there. Okay see ya later

 

Majority of fans can’t be bothered to care enough to boycott their favourite team. People have way bigger problems of their own than who team X employs and if the MLB says he’s allowed to play then play ball.

 

For sure there will be some teams that signing him isn’t worth the headache for whatever that reason might be. But Uncle Steve and the Houston Astros among others are probably doing their due diligence right now.

 

Exactly. He wasn't charged or found guilty by the courts and MLB investigated the s*** out of this and says he's allowed to play? That's all I need - sign the guy. We're right up against the luxury tax and are a WS contender. This is the f***ing perfect storm to add someone with his talent to put us over the top.

[TheHurl]

Is there an example of a team in any sport bringing in a player hated so badly by the fan base that they ended up regretting it?

 

I genuinely don't think so. I know leagues generally end up getting hurt (2014 NFL had sponsors go on hold for handling of SA situations), more than teams. Individuals almost always lose out, but there is not one case I can find where the team took any financial hit. When the Eagles signed Vick, within a year he was the highest selling jersey in football.

 

I'll look through some studies, I am sure they are out there

[L54]

I genuinely don't think so. I know leagues generally end up getting hurt (2014 NFL had sponsors go on hold for handling of SA situations), more than teams. Individuals almost always lose out, but there is not one case I can find where the team took any financial hit. When the Eagles signed Vick, within a year he was the highest selling jersey in football.

 

I'll look through some studies, I am sure they are out there

 

Highest selling jersey in football... lol that’s some weird s***

[Jimcanuck]

Care to provide examples of the impact bad publicity had on these teams in regards to players they brought in?

 

more to life to baseball, i used the term corporations

[Laika]

casual Jays fans don't even know who Trevor Bauer is

 

the type of people who would be up in arms don't spend much $$$ on the Jays anyway

 

 

Toronto won't sign him but I am not sure PR and fan reaction is much of the issue. Probably more about personal/corporate values. Like, Shatkins would feel gross bringing in a guy with a public donkey punching fet.

[wilko]

casual Jays fans don't even know who Trevor Bauer is

 

the type of people who would be up in arms don't spend much $$$ on the Jays anyway

 

 

Toronto won't sign him but I am not sure PR and fan reaction is much of the issue. Probably more about personal/corporate values. Like, Shatkins would feel gross bringing in a guy with a public donkey punching fet.

 

Even if it would win him a WS?

[Stangstag]

I think the funniest thing here is that people are assuming Bauer will automatically come in and pitch like an ace. Like its a guaranteed thing. Dude hasn’t faced live batters in almost 2 years. He is also 2 years older.

 

There’s a good chance he comes back and puts up numbers like a 3/4 starter.

 

Clubs have to weigh the risk of potential PR hit vs the gamble that he’ll actually be a difference maker. The PR hit is a certainty, while his performance level is somewhat of an unknown.

[Stangstag]

Even if it would win him a WS?

 

Some people aren’t willing to sacrifice their morals to accomplish a certain goal, some are. Depends how badly they view Bauer’s conduct off the field.

 

Alomar was pretty much blacklisted and erased from franchise history for less.

[connorp]

Some people aren’t willing to sacrifice their morals to accomplish a certain goal, some are. Depends how badly they view Bauer’s conduct off the field.

 

Alomar was pretty much blacklisted and erased from franchise history for less.

 

Now there’s a guy you can actually say lacks morals…….. who spits on an umpire?

[The Iceman]

I refuse to respond to a thread started by dogg.

 

You kinda did

[L54]

I think the funniest thing here is that people are assuming Bauer will automatically come in and pitch like an ace. Like its a guaranteed thing. Dude hasn’t faced live batters in almost 2 years. He is also 2 years older.

 

There’s a good chance he comes back and puts up numbers like a 3/4 starter.

 

Clubs have to weigh the risk of potential PR hit vs the gamble that he’ll actually be a difference maker. The PR hit is a certainty, while his performance level is somewhat of an unknown.

 

Nobody is assuming that

 

Would you pay a 3/4 starter 750k?

[L54]

Of course there’s a chance Bauer sucks. There’s also a chance he’s still one of the top 20 pitchers in the game. He’s 32 lmao JV and Scherzer are almost 50 and still dominating.

[Brownie19]

I think the funniest thing here is that people are assuming Bauer will automatically come in and pitch like an ace. Like its a guaranteed thing. Dude hasn’t faced live batters in almost 2 years. He is also 2 years older.

 

There’s a good chance he comes back and puts up numbers like a 3/4 starter.

 

Clubs have to weigh the risk of potential PR hit vs the gamble that he’ll actually be a difference maker. The PR hit is a certainty, while his performance level is somewhat of an unknown.

 

Is this true? I can't imagine there would be a large difference in the public perception between D.Watson an Bauer. Has the public disowned the Cleveland Browns? Have sponsors left? I mean they may have, but it all generally seems to have blown over already. Your suggestion to temper expectations on how good he would pitch is fine, but the upside is obvious. If we're going to add Johnny Cueto for 1 yr $5M - obviously you'd rather have Bauer here on the league minimum.

[Jimcanuck]

casual Jays fans don't even know who Trevor Bauer is

 

the type of people who would be up in arms don't spend much $$$ on the Jays anyway

 

 

Toronto won't sign him but I am not sure PR and fan reaction is much of the issue. Probably more about personal/corporate values. Like, Shatkins would feel gross bringing in a guy with a public donkey punching fet.

 

they might not know now, but they will within 24 hrs of the Jays signing him, along with all the allegations

 

plus the continuing news as the civil action carries on

Edited January 9, 2023 by Jimcanuck

[Stangstag]

Nobody is assuming that

 

Would you pay a 3/4 starter 750k?

 

Except its not just that, you also need to factor in the PR hit and what that wold potentially cost the org long-term

[Stangstag]

Is this true? I can't imagine there would be a large difference in the public perception between D.Watson an Bauer. Has the public disowned the Cleveland Browns? Have sponsors left? I mean they may have, but it all generally seems to have blown over already. Your suggestion to temper expectations on how good he would pitch is fine, but the upside is obvious. If we're going to add Johnny Cueto for 1 yr $5M - obviously you'd rather have Bauer here on the league minimum.

 

I think you'd have to be a moron to think the Jays wouldn't take a massive PR hit by signing Bauer

[wilko]

I think you'd have to be a moron to think the Jays wouldn't take a massive PR hit by signing Bauer

 

For signing a guy who wasn't convicted of anything? Rogers wouldn't touch Bauer it with a 10 foot pole.

[L54]

Except its not just that, you also need to factor in the PR hit and what that wold potentially cost the org long-term

 

What are the long term ramifications of signing him exactly? Nobody has said what those would be, just that they exist

[L54]

If the Jays were in a pennant race and Bauer is starting vs the Yankees on Friday night at Rogers Centre that place is packed.