General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)

[Jays24]

Imagine drooling over an offseason article while ignoring 0 playoff wins in an expanded playoff era. Wish titles were won by calculators lol.

[Spanky99]

Imagine drooling over an offseason article while ignoring 0 playoff wins in an expanded playoff era. Wish titles were won by calculators lol.

 

Imagine drooling over results over the process, ignoring said process, variables and odds of winning such a tournament. Well, played. No one's f***ing happy with our results.

[connorp]

Imagine drooling over results over the process, ignoring said process, variables and odds of winning such a tournament. Well, played. No one's f***ing happy with our results.

 

Nobody is happy, some just hang on excuses of bad luck

[max silver]

Imagine drooling over an offseason article while ignoring 0 playoff wins in an expanded playoff era. Wish titles were won by calculators lol.

 

Nobody is "drooling" over the article. It simply states that the Jays are in a relatively strong place at the start of the post season.

[Stangstag]

Repeat what? His career high 2.1 WAR season? LGJ simply isn't very good people. I also like the idea of adding a big bat like Hoskins, but let's remember this is a 2 WAR player coming off a missed season. Belt's 2023 season was essentially Hopkin's career year (let that sink in). I love the 1 year option for him. I could do 2 years, but I'm not sure you want to lock him up at $15M+ AAV.

 

FWIW, I do agree with your first 2 points. Tough to balance that desire to push all your chips in and "go for it" with the option to potentially take a small step back, that might keep you in a solid position over a longer period.

 

You can’t compare Belt and Hoskins. Belt was only a platoon player!!

[Spanky99]

You can’t compare Belt and Hoskins. Belt was only a platoon player!!

 

This doesn't make sense?

[max silver]

This doesn't make sense?

 

Not so subtle dig at a certain passive aggressive poster who frequents here.

[Spanky99]

Not so subtle dig at a certain passive aggressive poster who frequents here.

 

Oh yeah, that foolish claim by Some Posters, lol.

[connorp]

3 years in a row, the team has been at least a Top 5 WS contender coming into the season, so the nerd stats say. Any poster that dares question the reasoning is labeled a heretic and tar/feathered, attacked, mocked, etc

 

Didn’t make playoffs one year and were out of division race by May the other 2

[BatFlip]

Atkins is in the lab perfecting his 91 win roster for 2024

 

91.3 win roster.

[BatFlip]

The Atkins haters will ignore this

 

Why focus on the positives when you can s*** on Atkins!

 

The team is in a pretty good position and Atkins is out there adjusting his glasses and kicking tires looking for his usual FA bargains.

[Spanky99]

3 years in a row, the team has been at least a Top 5 WS contender coming into the season, so the nerd stats say. Any poster that dares question the reasoning is labeled a heretic and tar/feathered, attacked, mocked, etc

 

Didn’t make playoffs one year and were out of division race by May the other 2

 

Thanks tips.

[hanton]

wtf

 

The Jays offered well over $100M in the spring but the sides weren’t close. Chapman is probably shooting for $150M plus.

 

https://nypost.com/2023/11/09/sports/dodgers-still-in-lead-in-shohei-ohtani-sweepstakes/?utm_source=reddit.com

 

 

(if this was previously posted....I just saw it)

[Stangstag]

wtf

 

The Jays offered well over $100M in the spring but the sides weren’t close. Chapman is probably shooting for $150M plus.

 

https://nypost.com/2023/11/09/sports/dodgers-still-in-lead-in-shohei-ohtani-sweepstakes/?utm_source=reddit.com

 

 

(if this was previously posted....I just saw it)

 

Was already talked about a few pages back. But yeah crazy, you think he would’ve accepted a 100+ million extension but I guess he probably thought he’d have a better season and easily find a 150 contract. He still might.

 

An injury could’ve totally f***ed his walk year though. Tough to gamble on that

[Brownie19]

3 years in a row, the team has been at least a Top 5 WS contender coming into the season, so the nerd stats say. Any poster that dares question the reasoning is labeled a heretic and tar/feathered, attacked, mocked, etc

 

Didn’t make playoffs one year and were out of division race by May the other 2

 

You know why you get mocked and it has nothing to do with you question why the team has had issues translating regular season success in the playoffs. Stop with this BS narrative.

[Spanky99]

This was actively being laughed at, or so I thought...

 

tar/feathered, attacked

[Ehjays]

[Ehjays]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/11/blue-jays-open-to-adding-primary-designated-hitter.html

 

Blue Jays Open To Adding Primary Designated Hitter

By Anthony Franco | November 10, 2023 at 9:55pm CDT

 

The Blue Jays are looking to add multiple position players this offseason. It’s possible one of them will be a bat-first option who doesn’t provide much defensive flexibility.

 

General manager Ross Atkins told Ben Nicholson-Smith of Sportsnet yesterday that the club is open to bringing in a designated hitter. The veteran executive cited “the versatility we already have on our team” as affording opportunity to add an offense-first player.

 

That’s not surprising considering the Jays may lose this year’s DH. Brandon Belt led the team in at-bats from the position. He’s back in free agency on the heels of last winter’s one-year, $9.3MM free agent deal. While a surprising move at the time given Belt’s previous knee injuries, that proved an excellent pickup for Atkins and his staff. The longtime Giant turned in a .254/.369/.490 line over 404 plate appearances for the Jays, albeit in a platoon role that shielded him from left-handed pitching.

 

Any mention of a DH pursuit this offseason is going to lead to speculation about Shohei Ohtani. It’s fair to presume the Jays will kick the tires on the expected AL MVP, although they’re not generally regarded as a likely landing spot. No one else in the class comes close to Ohtani, of course, but there are a handful of offense-minded veterans who are on the open market.

 

J.D. Martinez connected on 33 home runs in 113 games with the Dodgers. Justin Turner declined a player option with the Red Sox on the heels of a .276/.345/.455 showing. Jorge Soler blasted 36 homers with a .250/.341/.512 line for the Marlins, leading him to decline a player option of his own. Mitch Garver and an excellent year as a DH/catcher hybrid. Rhys Hoskins missed all of 2023 after a Spring Training ACL tear. When healthy, he has proven an annual threat for 30 homers and is career .242/.353/.492 hitter. He could look for a one-year pillow contract or a two-year deal that gives him a chance to opt out next season. None of those five were tagged with a qualifying offer (Turner was ineligible), so they wouldn’t cost draft compensation.

 

There are additional players likely to be available on one-year deals, including a couple with local ties. A Belt reunion isn’t far-fetched. As a Toronto native, Joey Votto has been floated as a speculative target since the Reds bought out their option. Carlos Santana and Joc Pederson are also on the open market. Other than Ohtani and perhaps Martinez, each of those players could factor in at first base or the corner outfield on occasion — although a run at any would pair them with Vladimir Guerrero Jr. as defensively limited players who could step into the middle of the Toronto lineup.

[connorp]

This was actively being laughed at, or so I thought...

 

I was having fun with it Spanky. Why don’t you check all the drawers and see if you can find yourself a gold star to put in your shirt.

[connorp]

You know why you get mocked and it has nothing to do with you question why the team has had issues translating regular season success in the playoffs. Stop with this BS narrative.

 

Separate issues, mate. We’re talking about underwhelming regular season performance. The herd had all taken the position last year that the Jays were golden and the entire AL East wasnt worthy of sniffing their jock strap. They made fun of the others like climate change deniers…. Jays were out of it by May again

[BigCecil]

Why focus on the positives when you can s*** on Atkins!

 

The team is in a pretty good position and Atkins is out there adjusting his glasses and kicking tires looking for his usual FA bargains.

 

I'll take 91 wins. Lots of different views out there. Its all grey in baseball.

 

Jim Bowden on JD Bunkis pod 2 days ago said:

 

- Jays as constructed not a playoff team.

- BoSox and Yanks will bounce back and make some big moves. O's are for real.

- Springer another year older. Lot of risk.

- Moreno trade made no sense. They wouldn't trade him for Jose Ramirez but trade him for elite D with some pop,

who never hit, and he doesn't understand why anyone thinks he ever will hit. Throwing in LGJ made even less sense.

- Rotation won't be as good next year. Pitching remains a strength.

- Farm not deep enough to make the moves that need to be made.

- Sign Bo - but if you can't, listen on both he and Vlad.

- He doesn't think Vlad is going to age well - body type.

- They need someone of the ilk of Soto in the order, but don't really have the farm and players to get him.

- Vlad is not happy with the Jays "as he understands it". Lots of teams would look at Vlad as a solid asset.

- Let Chappy go. Not worth what he will get. Not a middle of the order bat and aging.

- Said he would have fired Schneids on the spot for not taking accountability for pulling Berrios. Ultimately his call.

- No answers on Manoah. Everyone in baseball still scratching their head. You can't count on him.

- As long as the the player gets the AAV and term they want with Boras, they will go anywhere. Winning is secondary. But does

the Jays FO want to spend even more payroll?

[Stangstag]

Separate issues, mate. We’re talking about underwhelming regular season performance. The herd had all taken the position last year that the Jays were golden and the entire AL East wasnt worthy of sniffing their jock strap. They made fun of the others like climate change deniers…. Jays were out of it by May again

 

You’re acting like the people on this forum were the only ones predicting the Jays to win the division, as if we’re all living in some dreamland.

 

That’s not the case though, pretty much every big publication and projections all had the Jays as the top team in the division.

 

Yes they underperformed but we weren’t stupid to think they had a chance to win the division or go to the WS.

 

Get off your high horse, you’re not nearly as smart as you think you are.

[connorp]

You’re acting like the people on this forum were the only ones predicting the Jays to win the division, as if we’re all living in some dreamland.

 

That’s not the case though, pretty much every big publication and projections all had the Jays as the top team in the division.

 

Yes they underperformed but we weren’t stupid to think they had a chance to win the division or go to the WS.

 

Get off your high horse, you’re not nearly as smart as you think you are.

 

Who said I was one of the people claiming the offense was a lot shittier than people were thinking, as an example. I’m on record of being high on many of those guys. I rarely say “I told you so”. I’m just pointing out I’m never the douchebag that thinks any opinion other than the herds is stupid

[connorp]

I never claim to be “smarter” than anyone either. I’m sure there’s many that would take me to school in Jeopardy.

I’m often just mocking the herd mentality, lack of originality, unwillingness to further analyze something one is spoon fed, etc.

 

I object to being told I think I’m smarter than anyone else

[Ehjays]

[deanmike]

[Marew]

 

Great accomplishment

[John_Havok]

I never claim to be “smarter” than anyone either. I’m sure there’s many that would take me to school in Jeopardy.

I’m often just mocking the herd mentality, lack of originality, unwillingness to further analyze something one is spoon fed, etc.

 

I object to being told I think I’m smarter than anyone else

 

Well yeah, you're not delusional

[AdamGreenwood]

Those prices all seem pretty team friendly. For those kinds of dollars any of those signings could make sense but I suspect the actual terms will eclipse those all by a large degree.

 

True. These are the FanGraphs estimates. I think the MLBTR estimates are likely more accurate.

Not sure if they've factored in the shortage of position players available.

[Ehjays]