General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)

[bones10]

Gross lineup today

[Grant77]

Yup, it's become apparent. They either want you to pay with your credit cards or phones now at most places with Google Pay and Apple Pay. Even companies like Tim Hortons and McDonald's have apps that you order and pay from.

 

I was at Earls the other day for Happy Hour and their pay machine system went down, so anyone who ordered anything before, management came around to tell them their bills were on the house. They had to put a sign in the window after that they were only able to accept cash until the issue was resolved. Managed to have a couple free beers haha. Shows you that cash is still important though and we can't solely rely on credit cards and phone apps.

 

I hope that some legislative action will take place in the future as this becomes more and more of a problem. It's been happening a lot in the US, most notably in New York, where all businesses must accept legal tender.

 

Studies have shown that about 6% of people don't have a bank account and 25% are unable to pay with anything but cash, so the practice essentially bans one quarter of Canadians from attending Blue Jays games. Whether those people would attend anyways is up for debate, but it's a highly discriminatory practice nonetheless.

[bones10]

I hope that some legislative action will take place in the future as this becomes more and more of a problem. It's been happening a lot in the US, most notably in New York, where all businesses must accept legal tender.

 

Studies have shown that about 6% of people don't have a bank account and 25% are unable to pay with anything but cash, so the practice essentially bans one quarter of Canadians from attending Blue Jays games. Whether those people would attend anyways is up for debate, but it's a highly discriminatory practice nonetheless.

 

Those people are stupid

[Omar]

Honestly if I never see Manoah again in a Jays jersey Im completely fine. f***ing hate everything this dude is about

I agree. The organization doesn't need the black cloud his attitude comes with.

 

What, you guys just want to throw away assets after one (admittedly terrible) season? There seems to be a narrative built up around him that he is whiner but this is based on conjecture. Prudence says build up his value again (which means more starts as a Blue Jay) and then move him if you are inclined.

[Grant77]

Those people are stupid

 

This is almost 10 million people. There's a lot more to it than stupidity. Think things like poverty, lack of access, and security concerns.

[jaysblue]

I hope that some legislative action will take place in the future as this becomes more and more of a problem. It's been happening a lot in the US, most notably in New York, where all businesses must accept legal tender.

 

Studies have shown that about 6% of people don't have a bank account and 25% are unable to pay with anything but cash, so the practice essentially bans one quarter of Canadians from attending Blue Jays games. Whether those people would attend anyways is up for debate, but it's a highly discriminatory practice nonetheless.

 

Yeah those are excellent points. Even for tickets to enter a sporting event or anything now, you need a cell phone and the Ticketmaster App in order to attend. No more hard copy tickets at all as everything is electronic. Not everyone has a cell phone or data plans. It's a small percentage of people likely but still.

 

Cash should be accepted everywhere regardless. I understand the convenience of using a credit card or Google Pay, but not everyone can have access to one like you mentioned.

[connorp]

 

 

What, you guys just want to throw away assets after one (admittedly terrible) season? There seems to be a narrative built up around him that he is whiner but this is based on conjecture. Prudence says build up his value again (which means more starts as a Blue Jay) and then move him if you are inclined.

 

It’s not very often a player has a phantom injury. Now combine that with Manoahs current situation, and suddenly the whiner label starts looking like something less than conjecture

[connorp]

He should really just go full Laila soy milk route and claim it’s his mental health. I’m not sure that stops the milb assignment but he could be a test case for whiny bitches.

[connorp]

I’ll give the whole “I was a supporter until now“ speech

Huge bitch move. Go to the minors like every other player that’s struggling mightily. Earn your way back

[connorp]

What are people saying on his Twitter? I’d light his ass up for fun, so I’m sure there’s lots of blocking going on

[Brownie19]

I hope that some legislative action will take place in the future as this becomes more and more of a problem. It's been happening a lot in the US, most notably in New York, where all businesses must accept legal tender.

 

Studies have shown that about 6% of people don't have a bank account and 25% are unable to pay with anything but cash, so the practice essentially bans one quarter of Canadians from attending Blue Jays games. Whether those people would attend anyways is up for debate, but it's a highly discriminatory practice nonetheless.

 

Interesting - I think cashless is great. Why can't a private business run it however they want? There are places that don't take credit card or charge you more to use a credit card. I hate that, but if I don't like it, I just don't shop there.

 

People with cash only can go buy pre-paid credit cards can they not? Then they could go to the Jays games. Of course they could also go and just not buy any food/drink/clothing also.

[Grant77]

Interesting - I think cashless is great. Why can't a private business run it however they want? There are places that don't take credit card or charge you more to use a credit card. I hate that, but if I don't like it, I just don't shop there.

 

People with cash only can go buy pre-paid credit cards can they not? Then they could go to the Jays games. Of course they could also go and just not buy any food/drink/clothing also.

 

I use my debit card for 90% of purchases, so I'm with you in that sense. I really don't think it's that big of a concern for something like a Blue Jays game, at least in a practical sense.

 

Where this becomes a concern for me is in something like a grocery store. Businesses can't refuse service to a person based on their sex or religion, for example. I think we all agree that this is a good rule.

 

Is it different when it comes to poverty or the various other conditions that would cause someone to not own a credit card? That's perhaps not a discussion for this forum, but the reality on the ground is that a sizeable portion of the population would be denied an essential service. That's why laws are changing elsewhere in my opinion.

[Stangstag]

Interesting - I think cashless is great. Why can't a private business run it however they want? There are places that don't take credit card or charge you more to use a credit card. I hate that, but if I don't like it, I just don't shop there.

 

People with cash only can go buy pre-paid credit cards can they not? Then they could go to the Jays games. Of course they could also go and just not buy any food/drink/clothing also.

 

Yes, they also have machines at the dome that are essentially reverse ATMs. You put cash in and they give you a prepaid card you can use for any concessions.

[43211234]

Yeah those are excellent points. Even for tickets to enter a sporting event or anything now, you need a cell phone and the Ticketmaster App in order to attend. No more hard copy tickets at all as everything is electronic. Not everyone has a cell phone or data plans. It's a small percentage of people likely but still.

 

Cash should be accepted everywhere regardless. I understand the convenience of using a credit card or Google Pay, but not everyone can have access to one like you mentioned.

 

I have an almost 10 year old phone and no data plan. I went twice to the Rogers Centre this year and had to use the phone of people I was with to get in.

 

I've made it this far without ever having a data plan but it is becoming just too inconvenient. So it will basically be yet another mandatory monthly fee.

[Stangstag]

I have an almost 10 year old phone and no data plan. I went twice to the Rogers Centre this year and had to use the phone of people I was with to get in.

 

I've made it this far without ever having a data plan but it is becoming just too inconvenient. So it will basically be yet another mandatory monthly fee.

 

Get with the times geezer

[43211234]

Get with the times geezer

 

I'm only 31!

[Masterbather]

I'm only 31!

 

Considering the relatively low cost of even just a little bit of data these days, it seems you're making life difficult on yourself for no reason. A lot of places give you data even if you're not looking for it. Just do it already.

[Stangstag]

Jays are now tied with Seattle in the standings thanks to Tampa!

[bones10]

Jays are now tied with Seattle in the standings thanks to Tampa!

 

Kinda bad, but we can’t get picky.

[DigitalRock]

Stress free game so nice. Gaus is a beast

[WryNGinger]

This is a good article. I wasn't familiar with this writer.

 

https://medium.com/@NaeNaeTakes/the-blue-jays-have-modernized-their-pitching-development-heres-what-that-looks-like-a775b3c020d2

[Spanky99]

Sucks now at a lot of places you can't use cash. Not just a Rogers Centre thing, but most sporting venues and theme parks etc. are like that now.

 

Yeah, that's an agenda, keep using cash.

[Spanky99]

Jays are now tied with Seattle in the standings thanks to Tampa!

 

Dude? lol... just bank W's and see where the cards fall.

[Spanky99]

This is a good article. I wasn't familiar with this writer.

 

https://medium.com/@NaeNaeTakes/the-blue-jays-have-modernized-their-pitching-development-heres-what-that-looks-like-a775b3c020d2

 

Thanks for sharing, really enjoyed that. I follow that dude on twitter.

[jaysblue]

Dude? lol... just bank W's and see where the cards fall.

 

Yeah for the Jays just need to win games right now and worry about the Wildcard seeding when they clinch.

 

To be honest, doesn't matter if they play the Twins or Rays in the WC rounds. Tampa isn't as strong as they were in May/June, so I'm not too worried about them. Would like to have home field in WC1 but we saw how that went last season against the Mariners. Maybe playing away for the WC round won't be a bad thing. Less pressure from the home crowd.

[BigCecil]

Yeah for the Jays just need to win games right now and worry about the Wildcard seeding when they clinch.

 

To be honest, doesn't matter if they play the Twins or Rays in the WC rounds. Tampa isn't as strong as they were in May/June, so I'm not too worried about them. Would like to have home field in WC1 but we saw how that went last season against the Mariners. Maybe playing away for the WC round won't be a bad thing. Less pressure from the home crowd.

 

All the machinations are just that. Pointless. Win and in. Just pile up as many W's as you can.

 

Each of the remaining games are a playoff game for all intents and purposes.

 

I'd rather be sitting pretty on top of the D like the O's but this is going to be heart stopping drama for us Jays fans. I am going to try and enjoy it without cardiac arrest.

[Brownie19]

I use my debit card for 90% of purchases, so I'm with you in that sense. I really don't think it's that big of a concern for something like a Blue Jays game, at least in a practical sense.

 

Where this becomes a concern for me is in something like a grocery store. Businesses can't refuse service to a person based on their sex or religion, for example. I think we all agree that this is a good rule.

 

Is it different when it comes to poverty or the various other conditions that would cause someone to not own a credit card? That's perhaps not a discussion for this forum, but the reality on the ground is that a sizeable portion of the population would be denied an essential service. That's why laws are changing elsewhere in my opinion.

 

I could probably buy into the notion that you need to make it as accessible as possible for essential services like the grocery store. I'd also be curious of the numbers you posted, how many are over the age of say 65? I would expect within the next 10-15 years, that number will drop as generations who didn't grow up with technology pass.

[Spanky99]

Yeah for the Jays just need to win games right now and worry about the Wildcard seeding when they clinch.

 

To be honest, doesn't matter if they play the Twins or Rays in the WC rounds. Tampa isn't as strong as they were in May/June, so I'm not too worried about them. Would like to have home field in WC1 but we saw how that went last season against the Mariners. Maybe playing away for the WC round won't be a bad thing. Less pressure from the home crowd.

 

Yup, just get in.

[jaysblue]

Yeah, that's an agenda, keep using cash.

 

Yeah I want to avoid getting political on here, but there is clearly an agenda behind it. While it seems more convenient paying with a credit card or app, it's not because of convenience. More about control and the banks/tech companies making money off of us IMO.

 

A lot of it is to gather info on your spending habits and what you like. For example, Google or Apple Pay know where you shop and what you spend your money on, therefore they know which ads to send you. When you purchase something on the McDonalds or Tim Horton's app, it's easier to keep track to know which menu items are popular and personally what you like.

 

As for credit cards/banks, they offer rewards or points for money you spend, which is a good thing, though obviously it's to avoid having you paying cash and instead benefits them every time you swipe or tap your card at a store. The credit card companies and banks are the ones making more money if people are using cards instead of cash on everyday purchases. They collect a % from the stores and they also will collect money when people have an outstanding balance on their cards. The banks are definitely behind it and want a cashless society. The banks also benefit off your debt. I get offers every month to increase my credit limit. Imagine people who accept those increases to lets say 25-30K and then spend that money they don't have?

 

Lastly, what I'm more worried about is the control and accessibility part. Only relying on debit/credit cards limits your purchasing power and access to your money. What happens if your account gets locked and you can't buy groceries, medicines, pay heating bills, etc. We saw that happen in Canada for a couple of days in February 2022 which was scary. What happens if there is a system-wide outage where payment machines and debit machines are down? Heck we saw that last summer with the Rogers outage where you couldn't even use an ATM or pay using a card. Also, pretty easy to track someone's carbon footprint with what purchases are made on a credit card - for example gas, meats, products, air travel, hydro, heating etc. What happens if we get to that point where limits are set on how much carbon we generate? Have to ask these questions.

 

Regardless, society should continue to allow both cash and credit cards to be used and not completely eliminate cash. I mean it's been working for the last 50-60 years or more geez, so I don't see what the issue is.

[Jimcanuck]

There's no agenda or conspiracy here. Consumers themselves have transitioned to credit/debit. I rarely carry cash, pretty much only when I travel.

 

Businesses respond to changes. If 99% of a business' customers used credit/debit, why would they bother with the work involved in providing a cash option?