Toronto fans are a class act!

[Brownie19]

And remember, Mike Piazza, hitting 50 homers a year as a catcher playing nearly every day fora long time? Totally normal thing that definitely still happens today outside of the steroid era. Nothing at all to question there.

 

I think you spelt 40 wrong.

[Brownie19]

There's a guy nobody ever talks about, who at age 37, 38 and 39 saw a massive power bump right in the midst of the Sosa/McGwire thing, and there was never a peep about him either. He hit nearly 30 % of his career HR totals in those 3 seasons. In the 15 seasons prior his SLG was .440, in the age 37-39 seasons it was .513

 

1 HR for every 93 PA for 15 seasons, then suddenly it was 1 HR for every 34 PA at age 37-39. Never gets mentioned as a possible user.

 

I'm stumped. Brett Boone was the closest I could find, but I think we all knew he was on roids late in his career.

[max silver]

I don't really give a s*** about any of this, but what really makes me laugh is that MLB is constantly f***ing with the baseballs and juicing them up. So Judge EFFECTIVELY gets the same advantages Sosa, Bonds, McGwire had but the advantage is in a different place.

 

73 is the record, end of story. Don't like it, beat it. Baseball puritans are one of the reasons I stopped enjoying this sport.

 

There is no record that exists independently of Bonds' record. That's the record. f*** you Maris Jr.

 

That's completely untrue, this season's MLB baseballs are dramatically deadened compared to the previous 5 seasons. We don't have available data for the baseballs during the steroid era, but there's simply no way to conclude that this year's baseball is providing some kind of advantage for Judge. Furthermore this season has seen the implementation of humidors league wide for the first time, and this had a direct effect on further suppressing offence during the colder months earlier in the season.

[John_Havok]

I'm stumped. Brett Boone was the closest I could find, but I think we all knew he was on roids late in his career.

 

Yeah, it's a fun name and when you hear it you'll even think it's stupid for bringing it up because nothing in his career would even suggest steroids. Until you look at the numbers I posted because those are always the types of things people point to to support steoird allegations. Late career power surges.

 

In this guy's case, his avs HR's per year were 6, then in the last 3 years of his career was about 15. So when I talk to people about steroids and how they use power bumps and late 30's surges... etc, I always bring up those previous numbers without telling them the actual totals ... and so far, every single person has said the player was definitely on steroids.

 

 

Oh, and it's Tony Gwynn

[Brownie19]

Ha - that's funny. Oddly enough, I saw a stat this weekend that Gwynn struck out X number of times in the 90's and that Judge has struck out that many times this year and people were all jerking off about how good Gwynn was. I correctly pointed out that Judge is a much better hitter than Gwynn and how slapping the ball around has it's limitations and was piled on by the old school crowd.

 

People will say guys like Gwynn and Ichiro could have hit more HR's if they wanted to. Well that's stupid, because in reality, if they were in fact able to sacrifice some contact for power, it probably would have made them better hitters.

[John_Havok]

Ha - that's funny. Oddly enough, I saw a stat this weekend that Gwynn struck out X number of times in the 90's and that Judge has struck out that many times this year and people were all jerking off about how good Gwynn was. I correctly pointed out that Judge is a much better hitter than Gwynn and how slapping the ball around has it's limitations and was piled on by the old school crowd.

 

People will say guys like Gwynn and Ichiro could have hit more HR's if they wanted to. Well that's stupid, because in reality, if they were in fact able to sacrifice some contact for power, it probably would have made them better hitters.

 

Yeah that's just it, you have to be as good as Tony Gwynn and Ichiro at slapping the ball around for that kind of style to be useful. I get into verbal sparring matches all the time with dumbasses about that kind of thing. "Well they could have hit HRs if they wanted to"... ********. Or they would have. No hitter in the world is slapping singles around IF he had the ability to hit HR's consistantly.

 

"All they have to do to beat the shift is slap the ball the other way. They never shifted Tony Gwynn!" ... yup. All you have to do is have the hand eye and talent of a hall of fame player to put the ball wherever you want whenever you want... and Oh, he still failed at it 65 times out of 100. So easy!!!!!

[wilko]

Yeah that's just it, you have to be as good as Tony Gwynn and Ichiro at slapping the ball around for that kind of style to be useful. I get into verbal sparring matches all the time with dumbasses about that kind of thing. "Well they could have hit HRs if they wanted to"... ********. Or they would have. No hitter in the world is slapping singles around IF he had the ability to hit HR's consistantly.

 

"All they have to do to beat the shift is slap the ball the other way. They never shifted Tony Gwynn!" ... yup. All you have to do is have the hand eye and talent of a hall of fame player to put the ball wherever you want whenever you want... and Oh, he still failed at it 65 times out of 100. So easy!!!!!

 

Tapia could have 35 dingers a year if he wanted to.

[jaysblue]

Tapia could have 35 dingers a year if he wanted to.

 

Same with Bradley Zimmer.

[Stangstag]

Same with Bradley Zimmer.

 

Sure, if he wanted to play in a mens Slow pitch softball league

[jaysblue]

Sure, if he wanted to play in a mens Slow pitch softball league

 

He would hit 60 if he did.

[Spanky99]

Tapia could have 35 dingers a year if he wanted to.

 

[Boxcar]

I think you spelt 40 wrong.

 

On a per game basis I'm correct so f*** you

[Boxcar]

That's completely untrue, this season's MLB baseballs are dramatically deadened compared to the previous 5 seasons. We don't have available data for the baseballs during the steroid era, but there's simply no way to conclude that this year's baseball is providing some kind of advantage for Judge. Furthermore this season has seen the implementation of humidors league wide for the first time, and this had a direct effect on further suppressing offence during the colder months earlier in the season.

 

Who really knows? They've been caught doing it numerous times in the past while denying it. Just like no one can really know for sure that Bonds was juicing. He never failed a drug test after all.

[connorp]

If Judge ends at 61, in todays hit collectible market, that ball may go for $3m easy. I wonder how much of the day that guy spends reliving that moment attempting to catch that ball

[connorp]

I would have a hard time focusing on much else for a bit

[Brownie19]

I would have a hard time focusing on much else for a bit

 

And to add to it - some f***ing guy named Frankie Lasagna interfered with your attempt! That guy may never eat pasta again.

[Laika]

If Judge ends at 61, in todays hit collectible market, that ball may go for $3m easy. I wonder how much of the day that guy spends reliving that moment attempting to catch that ball

 

Have there been any good clips of how close he was?

 

From the live video it looked like inches or a foot at the most.

[connorp]

And to add to it - some f***ing guy named Frankie Lasagna interfered with your attempt! That guy may never eat pasta again.

 

Yeah, cruel fate twist there

[jaysblue]

If Judge ends at 61, in todays hit collectible market, that ball may go for $3m easy. I wonder how much of the day that guy spends reliving that moment attempting to catch that ball

 

When I miss one or two teams in a NFL pool, I can't sleep an entire week. Imagine how he feels.

[connorp]

When I miss one or two teams in a NFL pool, I can't sleep an entire week. Imagine how he feels.

 

Has all the classic makings for the start of a downward spiral

[jaysblue]

Has all the classic makings for the start of a downward spiral

 

Frankie Lasagna at least got some free air time from it on BT with Sid. Free promotion for his restaurant downtown on a major morning show. Not bad.

 

The other guy, yeah I feel for especially.

[Stangstag]

Have there been any good clips of how close he was?

 

From the live video it looked like inches or a foot at the most.

 

Its hard to tell exactly, but I think it actually hit his glove. (guy in the dark blue and hat)

[Olerud363]

There's a guy nobody ever talks about, who at age 37, 38 and 39 saw a massive power bump right in the midst of the Sosa/McGwire thing, and there was never a peep about him either. He hit nearly 30 % of his career HR totals in those 3 seasons. In the 15 seasons prior his SLG was .440, in the age 37-39 seasons it was .513

 

1 HR for every 93 PA for 15 seasons, then suddenly it was 1 HR for every 34 PA at age 37-39. Never gets mentioned as a possible user.

 

Do you have Mike Piazza confused with somebody else?

 

Piazza was like a 50th round 2000th overall draft pick who worked out. He hit great as a Rookie in 1993, like .320 with 35 homers, and the rest of his career made perfect sense, peaking at age 27, then slowly declining.

 

His age 36-38 seasons were pretty unremarkable, maybe even disappointing for a player who was so great from age 24-33.

 

Now could he have been a roider from the beginning? Like maybe picked 5000th overall and had to roid to keep up the whole time? I don't know. No way he was a late career roider only though.

[Olerud363]

There's a guy nobody ever talks about, who at age 37, 38 and 39 saw a massive power bump right in the midst of the Sosa/McGwire thing, and there was never a peep about him either. He hit nearly 30 % of his career HR totals in those 3 seasons. In the 15 seasons prior his SLG was .440, in the age 37-39 seasons it was .513

 

1 HR for every 93 PA for 15 seasons, then suddenly it was 1 HR for every 34 PA at age 37-39. Never gets mentioned as a possible user.

 

OK. I see. You are talking about somebody else. I got confused because you were responding to the comment about Piazza, which was also confusing because Piazza was never a 50 homer guy. He had power from the beginning and his numbers fit the normal aging curve perfectly, peak at 27, decline in mid 30s.

[connorp]

Its hard to tell exactly, but I think it actually hit his glove. (guy in the dark blue and hat)

 

Yeah the guy is quoted as saying “a couple inches” and that Frankie guy hit his glove. Reality hasn’t really kicked in as he’s living the 15m with talk shows and such. That’ll be done soon enough.

[Olerud363]

Yeah, it's a fun name and when you hear it you'll even think it's stupid for bringing it up because nothing in his career would even suggest steroids. Until you look at the numbers I posted because those are always the types of things people point to to support steoird allegations. Late career power surges.

 

In this guy's case, his avs HR's per year were 6, then in the last 3 years of his career was about 15. So when I talk to people about steroids and how they use power bumps and late 30's surges... etc, I always bring up those previous numbers without telling them the actual totals ... and so far, every single person has said the player was definitely on steroids.

 

 

Oh, and it's Tony Gwynn

 

Interestingly Wade Boggs had an outlier season in 1987 hitting 24 homers instead of his usual 5.

 

Steroids? The ball? Randomness? Shortly after Bill James simulated thousands of baseball seasons on a computer. This kind of thing was new at the time. Of course James could have just used conventional statistics to quantify how much of an outlier Bogg's 24 homers were, but anyway simulating seasons was fun, and in thousands of seasons, even though the simulated Boggs could hit anywhere from .260 to .400, he never came close to 24 homers.

[Boxcar]

Btw, this season is on pace to have more home runs than 1998 on a per team game basis. The top 4? 2017, 2019, 2020, 2021.

[Stangstag]

Btw, this season is on pace to have more home runs than 1998 on a per team game basis. The top 4? 2017, 2019, 2020, 2021.

 

Kill the ball more. Crank the humidors for 2023

[Laika]

Only in baseball would they permit irregularly shaped fields but then try to standardize the humidity of the object of the sport

[connorp]

Interestingly Wade Boggs had an outlier season in 1987 hitting 24 homers instead of his usual 5.

 

Steroids? The ball? Randomness? Shortly after Bill James simulated thousands of baseball seasons on a computer. This kind of thing was new at the time. Of course James could have just used conventional statistics to quantify how much of an outlier Bogg's 24 homers were, but anyway simulating seasons was fun, and in thousands of seasons, even though the simulated Boggs could hit anywhere from .260 to .400, he never came close to 24 homers.

 

Even causals know something was up in 1987.