2022 MLB Draft Discussion Thread

[JaysAllMighty]

In 2009 Blue Jays had #20 pick, Mike Trout picked by LA Angels at #25.

 

Hopefully Jays pick a winner this year.

[BlueJaysFever]

We have a lot of picks in the first three rounds.

[Jonn]

In 2009 Blue Jays had #20 pick, Mike Trout picked by LA Angels at #25.

 

Hopefully Jays pick a winner this year.

 

Way to many teams passed on Trout but if you want to go down that road this is how depressing the Blue Jays success in the First Round of the MLB draft has been since the year 2000.

 

2000: Dustin McGowan - Often injured but spent a few MLB seasons as a middle reliever. Probably will go down as one of the biggest what ifs in franchise history. I still remember the no hitter he brought into the 9th vs Colorado as a young Starter.

 

2001: Gabe Gross - 656 Career Games with a .715 OPS. Bust.

 

2002: Russ Adams - 286 Career Games with a .685 OPS. Probably one of the worst Defensive Shortstops to ever play full time at one point. Bust

 

2003: Aaron Hill - 1559 Career Games with .740 OPS. Had some monster seasons with the bat and even made the AL All-Star team in 2009.

 

2004: David Purcey - 111 Career Games with a 1.54 WHIP. Never made it as a starter. Had extreme command issues in his chances as a reliever. Bust through and through.

 

Zach Jackson - 22 Career Games with a 1.57 WHIP. Bust.

 

2005: Ricky Romero - 129 Career Games with a 1.40 WHIP. Career was weird it started terribly in the minors. He ended up finding himself where he was actually pretty successful for 2 seasons despite command issues. But after that he was complete garbage and career ended quickly. He made an All-Star team but considering he was taken above Tulo and to this day still the highest pitcher ever drafted by the Franchise. You have to consider him a bust.

 

2006: Travis Snider - 630 Career Games with a .710 OPS. Which started with a bang when he first debuted. He’s probably regarded as the biggest position player bust in Franchise History.

 

2007: Kevin Aherns - Complete Bust never played in the Majors

 

J.P. Arenciba - 476 career games with .670 OPS. Outside of showing power probably one of the worst defensive Catchers to ever play everyday. He had no ability to take a walk and his personality made you want to punch a wall. But he was very attractive and that might be what he’s known best for ultimately.

 

Brett Cecil - 443 Career Games with 1.36 WHIP. Failed starter who had some very good seasons as a reliever and actually made an All-Star named. Known for his hammer curve which was either one of the most deadly pitches in Baseball or the most inconsistent. He even won 15 games a Starter one year which hammers the point home how meaningless that stat is.

 

2008: David Cooper - 72 Career Games with a .751 OPS. Ultimately an injury is what ended his career early. Not going to knock him much for that reason.

 

2009: Chad Jenkins - 46 Career Games with a 1.25 WHIP - Failed starter who actually had moderate success as a middle reliever but never pitched a full season.

 

2010: Deck McGuire - 27 Career Games with 1.47 WHIP. Failed Starter who had a couple cups of coffee in the Majors. But ultimately a bust.

 

Aaron Sanchez - 166 Career Games with 1.38 WHIP. First player on this list that’s still active. Although actively terrible. The main that coined the phrase “Competitive Walk” and once referred to himself as “The Sanchize”. His career starred out a lot like Ricky Romeros. And he ended up having an dominant All-Star season where he actually received CY Young votes. But ultimately control and injuries derailed his career. He had 7 starts with the Nationals this year that went absolutely terrible. I believe he’s now in the Twins organization.

 

Noah Syndergaard 135 Career Games with a 1.16 WHIP. Regarded mostly as the one that got away and nicknamed Thor. The only thing that ever limited Syndegaard has been injuries. He was dominant early in his career. But has only made 16 starts in the last 3 years. Currently active with the Angels. He has mixed results at best. He’s certainly not the pitcher he was early in his career but is a competent mid to back end rotation option.

 

I could talk about Asher Wojciechowski as well but I’m tired and I don’t want to. I still think it’s stupid the compensation guys are still considered first round picks but oh well.

 

2011: Tyler Beede - Didn’t sign… pitches in the big leagues but he sucks.

 

Jacob Anderson - Never played a single game in the majors

 

Joe Musgrove - 156 Career Games with a 1.16 WHIP - He was traded very young into his career but has actually turned into one of the best Starters in the NL. He was apart of that 10 player swap with the Astros 10 years ago that got us JA Happ who had a decent career himself. Just retired actually! In hindsight we can’t be that upset with this. They sent a bunch of s*** to Houston in that deal. And Musgrove emerged many years later. We have no idea if he develops into the pitcher he is now if he stays with the Jays.

 

Could also talk about Dwight Smith Jr. He had a couple cups of Coffee with the Jays. Mostly played with the Orioles where he was very much not notable. I think he’s kicking around somewhere?

 

2012: D.J. Davis - Complete bust. Drafted 17th Overall and never got past A Ball.

 

Marcus Stroman - 189 Career Games with a 1.26 WHIP. Don’t need to go into much detail everyone knows Stroman. Currently active ofcourse mid rotation Starter. Has actually kind of sucked with the Cubs so far.

 

Matt Smoral, Tyler Gonzalez, and Mitch Nay - None of these guys ever got close and none are active

 

2013: Phil Bickford - Never signed and is currently a middle reliever for the Dodgers.

 

2014: Jeff Hoffman - 132 Career Games with a 1.58 WHIP. Regarded mostly as the top prospect traded for Tulo. He’s been mostly awful in his career but is having moderate success as a middle reliever for the Reds this season.

 

Max Pentecost - Never came close and is now retired. Injuries were definitely a big role in this but you have to deem him a bust for sure.

 

2015: Jon Harris - Complete Bust. He made it to Buffalo but never debuted. I believe he’s pitching in Indy Ball currently.

 

2016: T.J. Zeuch - 13 Career Games with a 1.55 WHIP. Just another bust. Probably with the least exciting arsenal of a First Round pick ever. Why was he drafted so high you might ask. Guess they really liked his size.

 

2017: Logan Warmoth - Currently in Buffalo but he is far cry from the promising young Shortstop he was out of North Carolina. His bat just never translated to professional ball and clearly his Defense didn’t either because he’s currently playing mostly corner OF with a sub .700 OPS. He might debut at some point but more than likely in another organization. Another draft bust.

 

Nate Pearson - I don’t even think he’s considered a prospect anymore. But if he ever finds a way to stay healthy he could be nasty.

 

2018: Jordan Groshans - Still regarded as one of our top prospects. But it’s pretty safe to say his AAA season has been extremely unimpressive and his Power Tool has yet to translate to the professional level. He will definitely debut at some point or be traded but its not looking as intriguing as it did a couple of years ago.

 

2019: Alek Manonah - Beast. Nothing more needs to be said

 

2020: Austin Martin - Traded for Jose Beriors. His minor league career has been very disappointing. But man is he good at getting hit with pitches.

 

2021: Gunnar Hoglund - Traded for Matt Chapman. Has still never thrown a pitch in Professional Baseball as he was injured when he was drafted.

 

And as you can see the Blue Jays draft history is pretty f***ing depressing Jesus. I regret doing that a little bit. But hey Manoah!

 

Luckily there has been some later round picks i recent memory that look very promising.

[BlueJaysFever]

Are we just looking at 1st round picks? Because it’s certainly not as bad overall as that list. In fact, it’s pretty good especially when we factor in the prospects in the system right now that are up and coming and moving up the rankings combined with the young talent already on the Jays.

[Jonn]

Are we just looking at 1st round picks? Because it’s certainly not as bad overall as that list. In fact, it’s pretty good especially when we factor in the prospects in the system right now that are up and coming and moving up the rankings combined with the young talent already on the Jays.

 

For that list yes. Obviously there’s been some later round gems. But even if you look at the current MLB Roster. Its only Manoah, Mayza, Romano, Jansen, Bichette, and Biggio that we’re drafted and developed by the Jays. The rest either came from outside the organization or were International signings. The next wave of prospects can impact that soon as well though.

[jays4life19]

So is everyone hoping the Jays land superstar Spencer Jones?

[Laika]

Baseball is a high variance sport, it really doesn't make sense to just look at first round picks. I mean it's fun and interesting but not a fair measurement of anything.

 

Gotta look at the whole picture. Draft plus international plus acquiring and developing.

[BlueJaysFever]

International should signings are as important as the draft for the Jays. He as there been a team better at that?

Also our two highest rated pitching prospects are from the draft I believe in Frasso and Tiedemann one who looks like he’ll be moving into the top 100 of all MLB and is becoming regarded as one of the best pitching prospects in all of baseball.

 

As noted above it’s a big picture.

[Jonn]

I agree with the notion that its the big picture. However I was just focusing on the draft and how poorly this team has drafted. Especially at the top end has to be noted. It’s also pretty wild that we already traded our last 2 First Round picks. Little harmless look back.

[Deadpool]

JP Ricciardi had a truly awful draft philosophy, which is part of the reason why most of his picks were ass.

 

Is he still kicking around? Gawd, what a bad GM.

[John_Havok]

JP Ricciardi had a truly awful draft philosophy, which is part of the reason why most of his picks were ass.

 

Is he still kicking around? Gawd, what a bad GM.

 

Special Advisor to the President of Baseball Operations with the San Francisco Giants

 

 

So, gives good handjobs under the desk I guess.

 

 

But, we cant say that Ricciardi was a complete failure. He did Hire John Gibbons into the org and eventually as the Manager.

[Key22]

Way to many teams passed on Trout but if you want to go down that road this is how depressing the Blue Jays success in the First Round of the MLB draft has been since the year 2000.

 

2000: Dustin McGowan - Often injured but spent a few MLB seasons as a middle reliever. Probably will go down as one of the biggest what ifs in franchise history. I still remember the no hitter he brought into the 9th vs Colorado as a young Starter.

 

2001: Gabe Gross - 656 Career Games with a .715 OPS. Bust.

 

2002: Russ Adams - 286 Career Games with a .685 OPS. Probably one of the worst Defensive Shortstops to ever play full time at one point. Bust

 

2003: Aaron Hill - 1559 Career Games with .740 OPS. Had some monster seasons with the bat and even made the AL All-Star team in 2009.

 

2004: David Purcey - 111 Career Games with a 1.54 WHIP. Never made it as a starter. Had extreme command issues in his chances as a reliever. Bust through and through.

 

Zach Jackson - 22 Career Games with a 1.57 WHIP. Bust.

 

2005: Ricky Romero - 129 Career Games with a 1.40 WHIP. Career was weird it started terribly in the minors. He ended up finding himself where he was actually pretty successful for 2 seasons despite command issues. But after that he was complete garbage and career ended quickly. He made an All-Star team but considering he was taken above Tulo and to this day still the highest pitcher ever drafted by the Franchise. You have to consider him a bust.

 

2006: Travis Snider - 630 Career Games with a .710 OPS. Which started with a bang when he first debuted. He’s probably regarded as the biggest position player bust in Franchise History.

 

2007: Kevin Aherns - Complete Bust never played in the Majors

 

J.P. Arenciba - 476 career games with .670 OPS. Outside of showing power probably one of the worst defensive Catchers to ever play everyday. He had no ability to take a walk and his personality made you want to punch a wall. But he was very attractive and that might be what he’s known best for ultimately.

 

Brett Cecil - 443 Career Games with 1.36 WHIP. Failed starter who had some very good seasons as a reliever and actually made an All-Star named. Known for his hammer curve which was either one of the most deadly pitches in Baseball or the most inconsistent. He even won 15 games a Starter one year which hammers the point home how meaningless that stat is.

 

2008: David Cooper - 72 Career Games with a .751 OPS. Ultimately an injury is what ended his career early. Not going to knock him much for that reason.

 

2009: Chad Jenkins - 46 Career Games with a 1.25 WHIP - Failed starter who actually had moderate success as a middle reliever but never pitched a full season.

 

2010: Deck McGuire - 27 Career Games with 1.47 WHIP. Failed Starter who had a couple cups of coffee in the Majors. But ultimately a bust.

 

Aaron Sanchez - 166 Career Games with 1.38 WHIP. First player on this list that’s still active. Although actively terrible. The main that coined the phrase “Competitive Walk” and once referred to himself as “The Sanchize”. His career starred out a lot like Ricky Romeros. And he ended up having an dominant All-Star season where he actually received CY Young votes. But ultimately control and injuries derailed his career. He had 7 starts with the Nationals this year that went absolutely terrible. I believe he’s now in the Twins organization.

 

Noah Syndergaard 135 Career Games with a 1.16 WHIP. Regarded mostly as the one that got away and nicknamed Thor. The only thing that ever limited Syndegaard has been injuries. He was dominant early in his career. But has only made 16 starts in the last 3 years. Currently active with the Angels. He has mixed results at best. He’s certainly not the pitcher he was early in his career but is a competent mid to back end rotation option.

 

I could talk about Asher Wojciechowski as well but I’m tired and I don’t want to. I still think it’s stupid the compensation guys are still considered first round picks but oh well.

 

2011: Tyler Beede - Didn’t sign… pitches in the big leagues but he sucks.

 

Jacob Anderson - Never played a single game in the majors

 

Joe Musgrove - 156 Career Games with a 1.16 WHIP - He was traded very young into his career but has actually turned into one of the best Starters in the NL. He was apart of that 10 player swap with the Astros 10 years ago that got us JA Happ who had a decent career himself. Just retired actually! In hindsight we can’t be that upset with this. They sent a bunch of s*** to Houston in that deal. And Musgrove emerged many years later. We have no idea if he develops into the pitcher he is now if he stays with the Jays.

 

Could also talk about Dwight Smith Jr. He had a couple cups of Coffee with the Jays. Mostly played with the Orioles where he was very much not notable. I think he’s kicking around somewhere?

 

2012: D.J. Davis - Complete bust. Drafted 17th Overall and never got past A Ball.

 

Marcus Stroman - 189 Career Games with a 1.26 WHIP. Don’t need to go into much detail everyone knows Stroman. Currently active ofcourse mid rotation Starter. Has actually kind of sucked with the Cubs so far.

 

Matt Smoral, Tyler Gonzalez, and Mitch Nay - None of these guys ever got close and none are active

 

2013: Phil Bickford - Never signed and is currently a middle reliever for the Dodgers.

 

2014: Jeff Hoffman - 132 Career Games with a 1.58 WHIP. Regarded mostly as the top prospect traded for Tulo. He’s been mostly awful in his career but is having moderate success as a middle reliever for the Reds this season.

 

Max Pentecost - Never came close and is now retired. Injuries were definitely a big role in this but you have to deem him a bust for sure.

 

2015: Jon Harris - Complete Bust. He made it to Buffalo but never debuted. I believe he’s pitching in Indy Ball currently.

 

2016: T.J. Zeuch - 13 Career Games with a 1.55 WHIP. Just another bust. Probably with the least exciting arsenal of a First Round pick ever. Why was he drafted so high you might ask. Guess they really liked his size.

 

2017: Logan Warmoth - Currently in Buffalo but he is far cry from the promising young Shortstop he was out of North Carolina. His bat just never translated to professional ball and clearly his Defense didn’t either because he’s currently playing mostly corner OF with a sub .700 OPS. He might debut at some point but more than likely in another organization. Another draft bust.

 

Nate Pearson - I don’t even think he’s considered a prospect anymore. But if he ever finds a way to stay healthy he could be nasty.

 

2018: Jordan Groshans - Still regarded as one of our top prospects. But it’s pretty safe to say his AAA season has been extremely unimpressive and his Power Tool has yet to translate to the professional level. He will definitely debut at some point or be traded but its not looking as intriguing as it did a couple of years ago.

 

2019: Alek Manonah - Beast. Nothing more needs to be said

 

2020: Austin Martin - Traded for Jose Beriors. His minor league career has been very disappointing. But man is he good at getting hit with pitches.

 

2021: Gunnar Hoglund - Traded for Matt Chapman. Has still never thrown a pitch in Professional Baseball as he was injured when he was drafted.

 

And as you can see the Blue Jays draft history is pretty f***ing depressing Jesus. I regret doing that a little bit. But hey Manoah!

 

Luckily there has been some later round picks i recent memory that look very promising.

 

I think part of this was the goofy way money is used in the draft where the Jays would take a second-rate talent first overall - to use the slot money for lower-round picks. You also left out Marcus Stroman.

 

Personally, I think MLB should change the draft perhaps like other sports and also, like Hockey, allow draft pick trading to make offseasons more exciting.

[Jonn]

I think part of this was the goofy way money is used in the draft where the Jays would take a second-rate talent first overall - to use the slot money for lower-round picks. You also left out Marcus Stroman.

 

Personally, I think MLB should change the draft perhaps like other sports and also, like Hockey, allow draft pick trading to make offseasons more exciting.

 

I didn’t leave out Stroman. He’s under DJ Davis in 2012.

[JaysAllMighty]

So who are we picking tonight?

[Dagagad]

Do we have enough wiggle room to get inventive this year with the extra money from the comp picks?

[Daniel Labude]

So who are we picking tonight?

 

My guess is Rocker or a college OF

[jays4life19]

So who are we picking tonight?

 

Spencer Jones.

[Slade]

First year in a while I haven't really dived into any of the prospects. Seems like there is a consensus of players we like. I don't have BA anymore so if someone has their final you can post it.

 

 

MLB Pipeline

 

23. Blue Jays

Callis: Tucker Toman, 3B, Hammond HS, Columbia, S.C. (No. 35)

This is the floor for Crawford and DeLauter, and the Blue Jays would mull Beavers vs. Toman as well.

 

 

Keith Law The Athletic

 

23. Toronto Blue Jays: Dylan Beavers, OF, California

I’ve heard more college than high school here, bats and arms, so a group like Beavers, Delauter, Gilbert, Hughes, Cooper Hjerpe, etc. Tucker Toman is their plan B if it all goes pear-shaped.

 

Scouting report: Beavers is a strong, 6-4 outfielder with big power but an unusual swing path that has led to questions about his future hit tool. He hit .291/.427/.634 for the Golden Bears this spring with 17 homers, after he swatted 18 for them last spring. He makes a sharp move down and slightly back when he begins his swing, and whether you want to call it a hitch or not, it’s not helping him with timing, leading to trouble with breaking stuff and a lot of groundballs because his hands are moving upwards and he gets on top of the ball. He does have good bat speed and is athletic enough that he might end up a plus defender in right, although the odds are against him staying in center. If he can work around this swing issue, or some team can smooth it out, he has above-average regular upside thanks to his speed and pitch recognition.

 

Kiley McDaniels ESPN

 

23. Toronto Blue Jays

Tucker Toman, 3B, Hammond HS (SC), LSU commit

 

The Blue Jays are tied mostly to bats here, with Tucker Toman and Zach Neto the two most-mentioned players -- and Toman always the one most likely to get here. Justin Crawford also has some real support if he gets down here. The Jays have been tied to Florida prep 3B Cameron Smith and CF Jordan Taylor at later picks.

[Krylian]

Do we have enough wiggle room to get inventive this year with the extra money from the comp picks?

 

Yes

[Ray]

My guess is we go college bat early, and use the larger pool to go for injured pitchers who might’ve gone in the first with the latter picks. There’s a ton of pitchers that fell to injury this year.

[Dagagad]

Yes

 

Awesome! That makes the draft more fun.

[BlueRocky]

Blue Jays

R1 #23: $3,075,300

R2 #60: $1,216,100

R2c #77: $846,500

R2c #78: $833,200

R3 #98: $623,200

R4 #128: $465,400

R5 #158: $346,800

R6 #188: $268,300

R7 #218: $210,300

R8 #248: $173,800

R9 #278: $158,500

R10 #308: $150,300

Total slot pool: $8,367,700

[jays4life19]

My heart is ready for this.

[Eat My Shatkins]

If the Jays take Rocker do they fast track him to the MLB bullpen this season?

[Krylian]

I'd be surprised if we'd see him this season.

[Daniel Labude]

If the Jays take Rocker do they fast track him to the MLB bullpen this season?

 

Yes if all looks good

[InvincibleTiger]

Pitching, pitching and more pitching. I want us to be the Rays

[The Cats Ass]

Draft both Rocker and Joyce. Throw both in the mlb pen off the bat. See if they’re willing to accept less with this as part of their signing deal.

[Slade]

Well DeLauter and Crawford gone.

 

Rumored guys still left.

 

Dylan Beavers

Tucker Toman

Drew Gilbert

Cooper Hjerpe