Baltimore Orioles @ Toronto Blue Jays - Sept 26, 2020

[Spanky99]

Great W Hard work boys!

[saskjayfan]

man...if we win, the Yankees lose and the twins lose and the Sox win we play the Twins. We can still play the Twins, Cleveland, the sox or the Rays going into tomorrow.

[Spanky99]

How do you know he's hurt, Dr. Spanky M.D?? How do you know its not just precautionary??

 

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Work on it. I did.

[G-Snarls]

Good win

 

Going in to playoffs with some momentum (if that exists in baseball)

[Dick_Pole]

If they win tomorrow, the mediocre 2020 Toronto Blue Jays, undeserving of a playoff spot, will have a winning percentage for the regular season of .550. Good for 7th highest in franchise history and ahead of the even more mediocre 1983, 1984, 1989, 1998, 2006 and 2016 teams. Edited September 27, 2020 by Dick_Pole

[Laika]

If they win tomorrow, the mediocre 2020 Toronto Blue Jays, undeserving of a playoff spot, will have a winning percentage for the regular season of .550. Good for 7th highest in franchise history and ahead of the even more mediocre 1983, 1984, 1989, 1998 and 2006 teams.

 

In other words, Boxcar can f*** off and be a full time NFL fan.

[SydneyJay]

F U Grichuk haters!

 

He has haters!? But why?

 

 

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[SydneyJay]

Biggio has such a beautiful, compact swing

 

I thought Shaw’s recent homer had a similar smoothness. Hopefully we can get them all swinging in a few days’ time!

 

 

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[Boxcar]

In other words, Boxcar can f*** off and be a full time NFL fan.

 

Fine

[Spanky99]

He has haters!? But why?

 

 

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He's a streaky hitter that irks most of the fanbase. I look at his overall body of work, he's been fine.

[Olerud363]

He has haters!? But why?

 

 

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He doesn't get on base much. The players that are most "loved" and "hated" at the same time tend to be guys whos traditional stats (avg, hr, rbi especially the latter 2) are decent but don't get on base and/or have mediocre or over-rated defense.

 

Randal fits that formula... however he has good power, and his defense is about average, his WAR (Wins above replacement) is consistently around 2.

 

(WAR - negative is very bad, 0 is minor league level, 2ish is OK, 5ish is a star, 8ish is MVP level)

 

Makes him an acceptable player for a winning team, just not a guy you want to be one of your top 3 stars.

 

The caveat is that a player of Randal's skills could become a problem really fast... if his on base percentage and defense slipped a bit he'd quickly become what we call a negative WAR guy... essentially meaning a random guy from the minors could do as good or better.

 

If you haven't already check out fangraphs.com, it's where many people on the board get the stats they use in their arguments.

[SydneyJay]

He doesn't get on base much. The players that are most "loved" and "hated" at the same time tend to be guys whos traditional stats (avg, hr, rbi especially the latter 2) are decent but don't get on base and/or have mediocre or over-rated defense.

 

Randal fits that formula... however he has good power, and his defense is about average, his WAR (Wins above replacement) is consistently around 2.

 

(WAR - negative is very bad, 0 is minor league level, 2ish is OK, 5ish is a star, 8ish is MVP level)

 

Makes him an acceptable player for a winning team, just not a guy you want to be one of your top 3 stars.

 

The caveat is that a player of Randal's skills could become a problem really fast... if his on base percentage and defense slipped a bit he'd quickly become what we call a negative WAR guy... essentially meaning a random guy from the minors could do as good or better.

 

If you haven't already check out fangraphs.com, it's where many people on the board get the stats they use in their arguments.

 

This is so helpful! Thanks so much. I’ve seen ‘WAR’ a few times and not known what it meant.

 

Now I can see why Biggio gets so much love for his walks. He’s leading our boys by a long way in that department. And they’re saying Kirk is a good at bat in that regard too (in the minors).

 

Given that Grichuk is one of our higher-paid positional players, I can understand now why he might cop some flack. I wonder if his value would have gone up or down based on this year’s form?

 

I must say though, I’ve been super impressed by his fielding and some of those diving catches. The walk off homer he hit during that tense patch of close victories totally won me over. But heck, all of the players have won me over!

 

 

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[Deadpool]

He has haters!? But why?

 

 

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Because he gets paid slightly more than his production probably deserves...

[Spanky99]

Because he gets paid slightly more than his production probably deserves...

 

No he doesn't? How do you come to that?

[Olerud363]

Now I can see why Biggio gets so much love for his walks. He’s leading our boys by a long way in that department. And they’re saying Kirk is a good at bat in that regard too (in the minors).

 

It's pretty rare to see a player with Biggio's plate discipline. Some guys get ptiched around and walk a lot. They aren't trying to pitch around Biggio. Biggio's zone recognition is amazing. Seems like he is a crazy hard worker too.

 

This is so helpful! Thanks so much. I’ve seen ‘WAR’ a few times and not known what it meant.

 

Given that Grichuk is one of our higher-paid positional players, I can understand now why he might cop some flack. I wonder if his value would have gone up or down based on this year’s form?

 

I must say though, I’ve been super impressed by his fielding and some of those diving catches. The walk off homer he hit during that tense patch of close victories totally won me over. But heck, all of the players have won me over!

 

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Grichuk has basically returned to his career norms this year. Last year was a down year. There is a lot of talk about him changing his approach, I haven't looked into it much, but the numbers are right around where they always are. His contract is about 10 million a year, and he's playing at about that level, maybe a bit better. I believe the price of 1 win is about 10 million dollars right now. So right now I believe Grichuk is out-performing the contract.. but that is expected at the beginning.

 

Contracts are usually structured to be the same amount of money each year, however since baseball players peak in their late 20s, the assumption is they will out-perfrom the contract in the first years, and under perform in the later years.

 

So some people could argue Grichuk isn't performing enough at the early stage of the contract, given he will almost certainly decline at the end.

[Deadpool]

No he doesn't? How do you come to that?

 

I'm fine with his salary, but people complain about it a lot. $10M is basically nothing in baseball, particularly when the rest of our team is WAY low on the salary side.