Stroman vs Grichuk

[Spanky__99]

You're a f***ing D-bag! Claiming someone is racist based on that tweet (or similar) is insufferable. I guess I get a ban for calling you out for being an ignorant a-hole? See you in a week, or never (maybe)???

 

lol... a racist is absurd. *High Five*

[AintNoThang]

lol... a racist is absurd. *High Five*

 

Are we both drinking this absurd s*** away? *High Five*

[Candy Maldonado]

#TeamSanchez

[AintNoThang]

#TeamSanchez

 

#TeamSanchize

[Spanky__99]

Are we both drinking this absurd s*** away? *High Five*

 

Yes.

[Boxcar]

 

 

Here it's smaller

 

Who is right?? Who is wrong??

 

Stroman seems like the type of entitled douchebag who.would kick out an entire group of guys in a shared space so he could jump rope.

 

Also, on having him vs. Grichuk...it's nothing to do with personality, Stroman is a better player. Despite him being a better player, it's a tough choice because Marcus is so unlikable. I also see that he's adopted the "if you don't like me it's because you're racist' tactic.

 

I thought we were done with this f***ing idiot when we traded him.

[Boxcar]

Stro can be a dick and way to sensitive, but Randall doesn't seem all that smart. I'd also have Stro on my team because he's a better player. Huff takes being a POS to another level though.

 

Dude, they are baseball players. Do you know how many baseball players are smart? I'm struggling for names after Trevor Bauer.

[Boxcar]

Grichuk was done to me the moment he conveniently made a post about how evil bat flips are on the same day Tim Anderson did a bat flip against the Royals, but wouldn't admit he was talking about Anderson when confronted on it.

 

Stroman gets way too much flack here. He has a strong personality and will rub people the wrong way, but he's exactly the type of player you would want on a team. Saved our asses in Game 5 against Texas, pitched a hell of a WC game, and as mentioned actually gave a s*** when the team was openly tanking. I'll take his side if the opposite side is Grichuk every single time.

 

Really? Maybe I'm weird but I'm sure as s*** happy he's not a Blue Jay anymore. He isn't some kind of special talent. He's a slightly above average pitcher who will probably never throw 200 innings. Yeah, a must have, super unique player

 

The fact he's such an insufferable douchebag doesn't really help. There are tons of Marcus Stromans out there minus the extreme narcissism.

[Boxcar]

Which part? He was clearly trying during the tank years. I think we'll all agree there.

 

As far as the positives, it's all over twitter. He shows up to youth teams just because the coach tweets him. He fits them with uni's. He gives tips all the time. And even though he clearly has a persecution complex and gets hyper defensive at everything, it seems to provide motivation and inspiration for his "followers". If he's gonna upset Huff/Grichuk in the process, oh well I guess.

 

You can find articles of young teammates praising Stroman as well: https://www.thestar.com/sports/bluejays/2019/07/27/why-the-next-wave-of-blue-jays-pitching-hopes-stroman-doesnt-get-traded.html

 

I'm pretty sure every player tries all the time. It's called playing for your next contract.

 

Lol Jesus Christ, are you seriously making that argument? "UGG MARCUS TRY HARD! ME LIKE!"

[Boxcar]

No one cares who'd you'd rather have on the team, RobinDhicck!

 

You seem a bit unhinged.

[Carlos Danger]

#TeamSanchez

 

#TeamDirtySanchez

 

Anyone...., Frijoles?

[Spanky__99]

You seem a bit unhinged.

 

Are you serious? lol

[jaysguy44]

Stro can be a dick and way to sensitive, but Randall doesn't seem all that smart. I'd also have Stro on my team because he's a better player. Huff takes being a POS to another level though.

 

what makes Huff a POS?

[Jimcanuck]

Dude, they are baseball players. Do you know how many baseball players are smart? I'm struggling for names after Trevor Bauer.

 

Curtis Granderson

[Pendleton]

Dude, they are baseball players. Do you know how many baseball players are smart? I'm struggling for names after Trevor Bauer.

 

Stephen Piscotty has a degree in atmospheric and energy engineering from Stanford, could work for Space Force when he retires from baseball.

[jays4life19]

Stephen Piscotty has a degree in atmospheric and energy engineering from Stanford, could work for Space Force when he retires from baseball.

 

It feels like Stanford has produced a number of MLB players with Nico Hoerner and Cal Quantril being recent first rounds picks off the top of my head.

[Jimcanuck]

Dude, they are baseball players. Do you know how many baseball players are smart? I'm struggling for names after Trevor Bauer.

 

I can't see why the intelligence profile of baseball players would be any different than that of the general population. If anything, I would expect the profile to be a bit higher.

Edited July 12, 2020 by Jimcanuck

[coldshot]

huff: have enjoyed his 'tell it like it is' opinionated style ever since I heard him on BTLS. (don't always agree).

stro: best day of my life was when stro brought Mitch Marner over to sign my 12yo son's first MLB ball. (son likes hockey better).

gric: unfairly takes a lot of SH#T cause front office broke the bank. (talented enough to potentially make them look good)

 

Conclusion: Looking forward to the healing MLB will hopefully provide to a frightened nation. Until then... keep it above the belt guys.

[Laika]

I can't seee why the intelligence profile of baseball players would be any different than that of the general population. If anything, I would expect the profile to be a bit higher.

 

Probably lower because so many of the Latino players leave school at like 13 to enter the baseball academies.

[Jimcanuck]

Probably lower because so many of the Latino players leave school at like 13 to enter the baseball academies.

 

Good point, but intelligence is innate. Quite a few of these latin players with little schooling have quickly adapted to the US, English, etc.

[AintNoThang]

You seem a bit unhinged.

 

My hot ass lover said the exact same thing to me this morning. I drank *way* too much last night.

[Boxcar]

Curtis Granderson

 

I was going to say Granderson but he's retired

[jaysguy44]

Dude, they are baseball players. Do you know how many baseball players are smart? I'm struggling for names after Trevor Bauer.

 

Is Bauer actually intelligent?

[Boxcar]

Is Bauer actually intelligent?

 

I guess you can have your own opinion if you want but he certainly comes across that way.

[Krylian]

Craig Breslow got a 1420 on his SATs. I know he's in the Cubbies front office now but 10 years ago he'd be my answer.

[Boxcar]

Craig Breslow got a 1420 on his SATs. I know he's in the Cubbies front office now but 10 years ago he'd be my answer.

 

Point being it's a lot easier to name dumb players than smart ones.

 

E: Kyle Hendricks another one.

[glory]

Really? Maybe I'm weird but I'm sure as s*** happy he's not a Blue Jay anymore. He isn't some kind of special talent. He's a slightly above average pitcher who will probably never throw 200 innings. Yeah, a must have, super unique player

 

The fact he's such an insufferable douchebag doesn't really help. There are tons of Marcus Stromans out there minus the extreme narcissism.

 

Being a dbag isn't as much of an issue when you're actually good, have a strong work ethic and a desire to win. JD was a dbag too. So was Jose. Puig, a guy you want the Jays to sign has that reputation. The difference is those guys are just cocky, self absorbed, and play with a style that doesn't mesh with the 'good old boy' style that Grichuk grew up with. It doesn't mean they are bad teammates or bad to have around. Some times players are bad to have around, but there's no evidence to prove that with Stroman.

 

When Grichuk publicly mocked bat flips on the same day Anderson did one, he joined the elite high character fraternity of MadBum, Brian McCann, Sam Dyson, Goose Gossage, etc, of guys who want players to put their head down and run the bases. I'd sooner weed those types of players out of the game than support them. It's not even a race thing as young white guys are bat flipping now. No young player is going to listen to Grichuk. On the flip side, if Stro were still here, my guess is a lot of the young players would identify with him and his work ethic.

[Boxcar]

Being a dbag isn't as much of an issue when you're actually good, have a strong work ethic and a desire to win. JD was a dbag too. So was Jose. Puig, a guy you want the Jays to sign has that reputation. The difference is those guys are just cocky, self absorbed, and play with a style that doesn't mesh with the 'good old boy' style that Grichuk grew up with. It doesn't mean they are bad teammates or bad to have around. Some times players are bad to have around, but there's no evidence to prove that with Stroman.

 

When Grichuk publicly mocked bat flips on the same day Anderson did one, he joined the elite high character fraternity of MadBum, Brian McCann, Sam Dyson, Goose Gossage, etc, of guys who want players to put their head down and run the bases. I'd sooner weed those types of players out of the game than support them. It's not even a race thing as young white guys are bat flipping now. No young player is going to listen to Grichuk. On the flip side, if Stro were still here, my guess is a lot of the young players would identify with him and his work ethic.

 

Can you point me to specific posts of, idk, Puig implying phantom racism towards anyone who criticizes him, s*** talking his old FO publicly, kicking people out of a work area so he could jump rope alone, cutting his dog's ears off for style points?

 

I have no idea how the magnitude of Stroman's douchiness is completely evading you. How Stroman differs from those other guys you've mentioned, aside from not being nearly as good, is his insane insecurity, persecution complex and insanely quick jumps to label people racist. His unwillingness to accept any criticism at all. You can go ahead and fap to videos of him returning early from an ACL injury and getting some good luck ERA, I guess, but it's really hard to understand your support for a guy like this.

[glory]

Can you point me to specific posts of, idk, Puig implying phantom racism towards anyone who criticizes him, s*** talking his old FO publicly, kicking people out of a work area so he could jump rope alone, cutting his dog's ears off for style points?

 

I have no idea how the magnitude of Stroman's douchiness is completely evading you. How Stroman differs from those other guys you've mentioned, aside from not being nearly as good, is his insane insecurity, persecution complex and insanely quick jumps to label people racist. His unwillingness to accept any criticism at all. You can go ahead and fap to videos of him returning early from an ACL injury and getting some good luck ERA, I guess, but it's really hard to understand your support for a guy like this.

 

First off, Puig can't find a big league job, and might sign with the Orioles due to lack of other options. Is every GM in baseball buying into a false narrative with him? He's not even as good as Stroman, much less better. If Stroman were a free agent right now he wouldn't be begging for a job. There would be a market for him.

 

Secondly, MikeM brought up a bunch of examples of young players mentioning how supportive Stroman has been to them. His work ethic is undeniable. He shows a ton of passion on the field, even in 2019 when the team was actively trying to lose. He's not on a faux racial crusade. He's just an outspoken, arrogant guy in a sport where that sort of personality is frowned upon. If he was in the NBA, a league with 100 times more star power and mainstream marketability, no one would be calling him (or Jose or JD or Puig) a dbag. But in baseball you're supposed to be humble, not show emotion, play the "right way", etc. It's nonsense. He's no doubt done some dumb stuff on social media (with the front office, Goins release, etc), but he's a young guy on social media. It's a different world today. More players are going to be like that going forward. He stands out because unlike the NBA and NFL, MLB players are typically quiet/harmless on social media.

 

I honestly have no idea how a guy coming off a 4 WAR and routinely is +3 in WAR (a stat that penalizes pitchers like him) every year he's healthy is somehow not a good enough player to have an ego to you. He's not an ace, but who cares? He's still good. You don't have to be Trout level to have an ego.

[metafour]

Being a dbag isn't as much of an issue when you're actually good, have a strong work ethic and a desire to win. JD was a dbag too. So was Jose. Puig, a guy you want the Jays to sign has that reputation. The difference is those guys are just cocky, self absorbed, and play with a style that doesn't mesh with the 'good old boy' style that Grichuk grew up with. It doesn't mean they are bad teammates or bad to have around. Some times players are bad to have around, but there's no evidence to prove that with Stroman.

 

When Grichuk publicly mocked bat flips on the same day Anderson did one, he joined the elite high character fraternity of MadBum, Brian McCann, Sam Dyson, Goose Gossage, etc, of guys who want players to put their head down and run the bases. I'd sooner weed those types of players out of the game than support them. It's not even a race thing as young white guys are bat flipping now. No young player is going to listen to Grichuk. On the flip side, if Stro were still here, my guess is a lot of the young players would identify with him and his work ethic.

 

And what, Grichuk isn't a hard worker and doesn't have a desire to win?

 

Are you only a hard worker if you take every opportunity possible to beat everyone over the head with how supposedly "hard working and competitive" you are?