General 2020 Blue Jays Discussion Thread

[The Cats Ass]

How can we trade Grichuk ... What team needs some outfield help

 

I'm fine with Grichuk. He'll earn his contract, but provide no surplus value.

 

He's pretty much our new Colby Rasmus.

[BlueRocky]

We have one of the worst starting outfield combo (LF+CF+RF) in the AL & NL east combined, aside from maybe the Orioles and Marlins.

It's not the right time to ship away Grichuk just yet, the drop-off behind him is immense and you won't get reasonable value for him.

 

TOR: Gurriel, Grichuk, Hernandez

 

NYY: Judge, Hicks, Gardner, Stanton

BOS: Benintendi, Verdugo, Bradley jr, Pillar

TBR: Meadows, Renfroe, Kiermaier

BAL: Santander, Hays, Stewart, Mullins, Dwight Smith Jr

 

NYM: Céspedes, Conforto, Davis, Nimmo, Marisnick

WSN: Soto, Eaton, Robles, Taylor

ATL: Acuna, Ozuna, Inciarte

PHI: Harper, McCutchen, Haseley

MIA: Villar, Dickerson, Harold Ramirez, Joyce, Sierra

Edited July 22, 2020 by BlueRocky

[glory]

How can we trade Grichuk ... What team needs some outfield help

 

No one is taking Grichuk's contract. Players in the 1-2 WAR range are not a hot commodity in MLB right now, certainly not for the $30+ million he has left on his deal after this season, and definitely not during a pandemic when teams are going to be making far less money. Best hope is to keep him and hope he lives up to whatever upside they thought he had when they signed him in the first place.

[LGBJ29]

No one is taking Grichuk's contract. Players in the 1-2 WAR range are not a hot commodity in MLB right now, certainly not for the $30+ million he has left on his deal after this season, and definitely not during a pandemic when teams are going to be making far less money. Best hope is to keep him and hope he lives up to whatever upside they thought he had when they signed him in the first place.

 

10.4 AAV isn't asking for a whole lot of upside. If he continues at about 2 WAR per season the contact is fine.

[Bobthe4th]

10.4 AAV isn't asking for a whole lot of upside. If he continues at about 2 WAR per season the contact is fine.

 

He was well below even that last year though, so it seems unlikely he'll ever significantly exceed the contract's value - underlining Glory's main point that the contract was both unnecessary and has no trade value.

 

Luckily if Grichuk continues to suck, either using him off the bench or simply waiving him once we've got a few decent outfielders, isn't a franchise crippling move.

[Boxcar]

We have one of the worst starting outfield combo (LF+CF+RF) in the AL & NL east combined, aside from maybe the Orioles and Marlins.

It's not the right time to ship away Grichuk just yet, the drop-off behind him is immense and you won't get reasonable value for him.

 

TOR: Gurriel, Grichuk, Hernandez

 

NYY: Judge, Hicks, Gardner, Stanton

BOS: Benintendi, Verdugo, Bradley jr, Pillar

TBR: Meadows, Renfroe, Kiermaier

BAL: Santander, Hays, Stewart, Mullins, Dwight Smith Jr

 

NYM: Céspedes, Conforto, Davis, Nimmo, Marisnick

WSN: Soto, Eaton, Robles, Taylor

ATL: Acuna, Ozuna, Inciarte

PHI: Harper, McCutchen, Haseley

MIA: Villar, Dickerson, Harold Ramirez, Joyce, Sierra

 

This is depressing. The fact Puig has been just sitting there for nearly a full calendar year makes this even more egregious, imo.

[The Cats Ass]

10.4 AAV isn't asking for a whole lot of upside. If he continues at about 2 WAR per season the contact is fine.

 

Seems like a perfect 4th OFer to have on a contending team. He can fill in for injuries and you kinda know what you'll get. Won't cripple a team.

[wamco]

My baseball satellite package blocks out Pitt games. Will jays games now get blocked as well?

[BTS]

My baseball satellite package blocks out Pitt games. Will jays games now get blocked as well?

 

That level of incompetence would be shocking, even for MLB.

[max silver]

This is depressing. The fact Puig has been just sitting there for nearly a full calendar year makes this even more egregious, imo.

 

I really don't get the pining for Puig that goes on around here. The guy has admitted publicly that he is lazy and doesn't put in maximum effort towards improving his craft. It's no surprise that he hasn't found a taker yet when you combine the past character issues along with the fact that he simply isn't that good anymore.

[jerb]

 

 

Buster Olney

@Buster_ESPN

 

Sources: The Jays' situation remains in a state of flux: the team, MLB has not received approval from Pennsylvania to use Pittsburgh as its home park. MLB has been in communication with Pa. Governor's Office. Jays might need another alternative.

 

Buster Olney

@Buster_ESPN

 

The Blue Jays are looking at alternative options to Pittsburgh, including going to the city of each scheduled opponent and playing as the home team.

[LGBJ29]

He was well below even that last year though, so it seems unlikely he'll ever significantly exceed the contract's value - underlining Glory's main point that the contract was both unnecessary and has no trade value.

 

Luckily if Grichuk continues to suck, either using him off the bench or simply waiving him once we've got a few decent outfielders, isn't a franchise crippling move.

 

It was 1 year, does that mean the other 4 don't count? Steamer projects 0.7 in 47 games which is 2.1 WAR across 141. Right in line with what the Jays are paying for. He doesn't need to "significantly exceed" the contract's value for it to be successful

[Orgfiller]

He was well below even that last year though, so it seems unlikely he'll ever significantly exceed the contract's value - underlining Glory's main point that the contract was both unnecessary and has no trade value.

 

Luckily if Grichuk continues to suck, either using him off the bench or simply waiving him once we've got a few decent outfielders, isn't a franchise crippling move.

 

His career WAR/150 is 2.1, Grichuk is a player who is supposedly in the prime of his career so unless you believe his true talent level changed drastically at age 28 and this is who he is now then the deal is just about market value for the wins he has provided in the past.

 

A 20 point BABIP drop with no other huge discernible changes to his batted ball or plate discipline profile is probably more indicative of what happened to Grichuk last season that made him look so below average.

[max silver]

His career WAR/150 is 2.1, Grichuk is a player who is supposedly in the prime of his career so unless you believe his true talent level changed drastically at age 28 and this is who he is now then the deal is just about market value for the wins he has provided in the past.

 

A 20 point BABIP drop with no other huge discernible changes to his batted ball or plate discipline profile is probably more indicative of what happened to Grichuk last season that made him look so below average.

 

One theory I saw floated was that Grichuk attempted to trade a bit of power for more contact. According to Statcast his hard hit and barrels percentage in particular took a sharp dropoff for some reason, so whatever he was doing differently really didn't work out for him.

[Ex Player]

So according to news reports Jays have 5 options left after Shittsburgh deal falls through.

 

4 if you count Buffalo

[Boxcar]

I really don't get the pining for Puig that goes on around here. The guy has admitted publicly that he is lazy and doesn't put in maximum effort towards improving his craft. It's no surprise that he hasn't found a taker yet when you combine the past character issues along with the fact that he simply isn't that good anymore.

 

It's quite simple, really. He's basically a 1.5-2 WAR upgrade on Hernandez, who sucks.

[wilko]

I really don't get the pining for Puig that goes on around here. The guy has admitted publicly that he is lazy and doesn't put in maximum effort towards improving his craft. It's no surprise that he hasn't found a taker yet when you combine the past character issues along with the fact that he simply isn't that good anymore.

 

Lazy bones Puig is basically better than any option the Jays have right now.

[max silver]

It's quite simple, really. He's basically a 1.5-2 WAR upgrade on Hernandez, who sucks.

 

This is completely incorrect, Teoscar Hernandez matched Puig in WAR last year despite receiving 150 fewer plate appearances.

[Boxcar]

This is completely incorrect, Teoscar Hernandez matched Puig in WAR last year despite receiving 150 fewer plate appearances.

 

So there's this thing in baseball where we don't base expectations of future performance on one season.

[max silver]

So there's this thing in baseball where we don't base expectations of future performance on one season.

 

There's conversely also the thing where we don't assume players going through an obvious decline over several seasons are suddenly going to resume past production. Both players have similar projections at this point, so to suggest that Puig is magically going to outwar Hernandez by 1.5-2 WAR is pretty fantastical thinking.

[Ray]

It's quite simple, really. He's basically a 1.5-2 WAR upgrade on Hernandez, who sucks.

 

No other team in baseball also not touching Puig kind of speaks volumes. The Jays need OF help more than most, sure, but a lot of teams could've had him for dirt cheap and probably upgraded their OF. Maybe he's more of a hassle internally than we think.

 

Personally I won't really care if we do/don't sign Puig. Gurriel and Grichuk are locked into two OF spots, and I don't blame Atkins for giving Fisher/Alford/Teoscar one more chance to see if there's something there.

[Jonn]

Unbelievably through all of this not a single player from the Blue Jays has opted out.

[jaysguy44]

Unbelievably through all of this not a single player from the Blue Jays has opted out.

 

Just curious on your thoughts, why is that unbelievable?

[Jonn]

Just curious on your thoughts, why is that unbelievable?

 

How could it not be. This an absolute circus act. These players have absolutely no idea where they are going. Where they can have family. People like to plan not be in constant flux. I wouldn’t blame any player for saying f*** this.

[jaysguy44]

Hearing infielder Santiago Espinal is breaking camp with #BlueJays. Came over from #RedSox in June 2018 for Steve Pearce. Spent shutdown with at Bichette home, training with Bo and OF Forrest Wall

[Jimcanuck]

Not sure if posted but this is on Fantrax:

 

Pearson will be promoted to the Blue Jays' active roster July 29, Jamie Campbell of Sportsnet reports.

[Jonn]

Not sure if posted but this is on Fantrax:

 

Pearson will be promoted to the Blue Jays' active roster July 29, Jamie Campbell of Sportsnet reports.

 

Extra year of control.

[baubau]

Has Shaw looked impressive in any of the games? I feel like he's hitting a lot of balls on the ground or striking out. Honest question lol

[Jonn]

Has Shaw looked impressive in any of the games? I feel like he's hitting a lot of balls on the ground or striking out. Honest question lol

 

Hes been s*** but apparently he’s been banged up. No idea what to expect from him to be honest. He seemingly had all his talent sucked out of him last season.

[Spanky99]

Has Shaw looked impressive in any of the games? I feel like he's hitting a lot of balls on the ground or striking out. Honest question lol

 

He's whiffed 17 times in 31 AB... welp! 5 BB, 6 hits, 1 DBL, 2 HR's... at least he's walking and hitting for power when he makes contact.