General 2019 Blue Jays Discussion Thread

[Boxcar]

What caused this lovers' quarrel?

 

BTS didn't read trade notes and then reversed his own trade after accepting. NJH pretended to get mad and then BTS got actually mad and now NJH is just poking him for amusement because BTS has lost all semblance of a sense of humor and continues to be mad for no reason.

[Carlos Danger]

When do we get some Aceucki...? Rhymes with nooky

[Jimcanuck]

BTS didn't read trade notes and then reversed his own trade after accepting. NJH pretended to get mad and then BTS got actually mad and now NJH is just poking him for amusement because BTS has lost all semblance of a sense of humor and continues to be mad for no reason.

 

You probably should lay low for a while, then

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

You probably should lay low for a while, then

 

Actually being BTS getting Mad and being the Coward he is in Life more surprising he hasnÂ’t Just Banned him already more his Style and what he does ! Lol Go Jays Go

[tercet]

BTS didn't read trade notes and then reversed his own trade after accepting. NJH pretended to get mad and then BTS got actually mad and now NJH is just poking him for amusement because BTS has lost all semblance of a sense of humor and continues to be mad for no reason.

 

BTS being a hypocrite? no wai

 

Also NJH turning on him? jfc what has the world come to?

 

NJH was BTS stooge for nearly 10 years, lol

[BTS]

I can really feel the love in here right now.

[King]

I can really feel the love in here right now.

Between NJH, tercet and BBBB, I would be scared for my life if I were you right now.

 

Hope you enjoy your skin, while you have it.

[WryNGinger]

This place is such a f***ing high school sometimes...lol. Love it. Keep up the good work!

[onwego]

First time watching a Jays TV broadcast in awhile, the pitch count on screen after two tonight was 4 short on Stroman and 2 short on Covey.

 

Yeah it’s a bit of a math obsession or is there a new Canadian way to keep pitch count?

[Barkerfan23]

DSJ is a better outfielder than Hernandez and McKinney. I'm beginning to question Atkins a lot

[Brownie19]

DSJ is a better outfielder than Hernandez and McKinney. I'm beginning to question Atkins a lot

 

[Krylian]

DSJ is a better outfielder than Hernandez and McKinney. I'm beginning to question Atkins a lot

 

You're not allowed to question Shapiro or Atkins around here. Get with the program.

[glory]

You're not allowed to question Shapiro or Atkins around here. Get with the program.

 

Questioning Atkins is very fair at this point. The best moves the team made for 2016 were made by LaCava, and almost everything since the start of 2017 has been a dumpster fire aside from extending Smoak due to prospects acquired either under performing or flat out sucking. Plus the vet signings have been pretty bad (Morales, Pearce, Grandy, Garcia, etc). Then the one time he gives a long term extension it is to a player with a 5-6% walk rate for his career and a projected 2 ish WAR.

 

Shapiro is fine. Atkins is definitely someone who deserves criticism (so far). The season is still young so if young players start turning it around, then opinions can change.

[Brownie19]

You're not allowed to question Shapiro or Atkins around here. Get with the program.

 

Questioning Atkins is very fair at this point. The best moves the team made for 2016 were made by LaCava, and almost everything since the start of 2017 has been a dumpster fire aside from extending Smoak due to prospects acquired either under performing or flat out sucking. Plus the vet signings have been pretty bad (Morales, Pearce, Grandy, Garcia, etc). Then the one time he gives a long term extension it is to a player with a 5-6% walk rate for his career and a projected 2 ish WAR.

 

Shapiro is fine. Atkins is definitely someone who deserves criticism (so far). The season is still young so if young players start turning it around, then opinions can change.

 

Questioning them is fine. Known trolls repeating the same thing in multiple threads is not fine.

[Brownie19]

Questioning Atkins is very fair at this point. The best moves the team made for 2016 were made by LaCava, and almost everything since the start of 2017 has been a dumpster fire aside from extending Smoak due to prospects acquired either under performing or flat out sucking. Plus the vet signings have been pretty bad (Morales, Pearce, Grandy, Garcia, etc). Then the one time he gives a long term extension it is to a player with a 5-6% walk rate for his career and a projected 2 ish WAR.

 

Shapiro is fine. Atkins is definitely someone who deserves criticism (so far). The season is still young so if young players start turning it around, then opinions can change.

 

You can complain about the Morales, Pearce, Grandy and Garcia signings (add in the Happ trade) - but those are all pretty small peanuts man.

 

In turn, I could say Galvis, Shoemaker, Sogard, Maile, Gaviglio, Woodman for A.Diaz trade, A.Diaz for Thornton trade, Giles trade, Grichuk trade, Pearce trade, draft picks, international signings, Oh signing & trade

 

There's a quick list of solid moves that Atkins has made. All solid, yet more small peanut transactions. The obvious trend here is to make a ton of minor moves (some of which will work out, while others won't), clear payroll and rebuilding the farm system. It's pretty obviously they've made a conscious effort to hang tight until they're in a better position to strike. We should be talking about whether we agree with that approach or not. The real test will come when they start to make tangible moves that will impact the team long term. Until then - it's pretty inconclusive IMO.

[Daniel Labude]

[TheOutsider]

 

If he truly has found a solid changeup, Stro's going to be all kinds of good.

[Boxcar]

Questioning Atkins is very fair at this point. The best moves the team made for 2016 were made by LaCava, and almost everything since the start of 2017 has been a dumpster fire aside from extending Smoak due to prospects acquired either under performing or flat out sucking. Plus the vet signings have been pretty bad (Morales, Pearce, Grandy, Garcia, etc). Then the one time he gives a long term extension it is to a player with a 5-6% walk rate for his career and a projected 2 ish WAR.

 

Shapiro is fine. Atkins is definitely someone who deserves criticism (so far). The season is still young so if young players start turning it around, then opinions can change.

 

This is a very unfair assessment. Atkins might not be perfect but he certainly hasn't been nearly as bad as you're painting him.

 

Past the major league team, you're also neglecting the fact that he's drafted very well.

[Spanky__99]

 

This one's pretty cool too... Stroman with a good change-up is money, though.

 

[Spanky__99]

If he truly has found a solid changeup, Stro's going to be all kinds of good.

 

It's right there mate, he's got one and it's filthy.

 

 

[Boxcar]

 

That whole thread between Marcus and Rob was pretty cool

[Brownie19]

lock that man up long term!

[Todd]

People are going to bitch about who ever the blue jays general manager is. Just like in all three Toronto teams.

And what they should do with the team. As of right now the blue jays prospects are a lot better then what it

was three years ago, And is going to better after the draft. The actually team sucks but will get better.

All good teams have to have a solid catcher, a good short, second baseball, and a solid center fielder and built from

there.

Edited May 17, 2019 by Todd

[Brownie19]

People are going to bitch about who ever the blue jays general manager is. Just like in all three Toronto teams.

And what they should do with the team. As of right now the blue jays prospects are a lot better then what it

was three years ago, And is going to better after the draft. The actually team sucks but will get better.

All good teams have to have a solid catcher, a good short, second baseball, and a solid center fielder and built from

there.

 

This is probably the most sensible post you've made Todd - spot on. This poem is nice and legible too.

[Barkerfan23]

People are going to bitch about who ever the blue jays general manager is. Just like in all three Toronto teams.

And what they should do with the team. As of right now the blue jays prospects are a lot better then what it

was three years ago, And is going to better after the draft. The actually team sucks but will get better.

All good teams have to have a solid catcher, a good short, second baseball, and a solid center fielder and built from

there.

 

okay noted.

[Laika]

Those three change up whiffs were his only whiffs of the game on the pitch. He threw 10 changeups according to Brooks.

 

It will be interesting to see if the pitch works moving forward. Historically he has only used the pitch about 6% of the time and it has not been good - pretty high offensive numbers against.

[glory]

This is a very unfair assessment. Atkins might not be perfect but he certainly hasn't been nearly as bad as you're painting him.

 

Past the major league team, you're also neglecting the fact that he's drafted very well.

 

The drafting and international signings have been fine. I was talking about the big league transactions. That's been the dumpster fire for the most part. I won't be too hard on him for not trading vets sooner since that was likely ownership's call, but that's another blunder. Objectively I just don't see how we can view him in a positive light to this point, and I say that as someone who likes Shatkins. It's possible he's just not as good as we thought/hoped based on the Shapiro association.

 

Don't even get me started on firing Gibby 2.0 just to replace him with the human bunt machine.

[Brownie19]

The drafting and international signings have been fine. I was talking about the big league transactions. That's been the dumpster fire for the most part. I won't be too hard on him for not trading vets sooner since that was likely ownership's call, but that's another blunder. Objectively I just don't see how we can view him in a positive light to this point, and I say that as someone who likes Shatkins. It's possible he's just not as good as we thought/hoped based on the Shapiro association.

 

Don't even get me started on firing Gibby 2.0 just to replace him with the human bunt machine.

 

I agree with you re: Gibby 2.0 - although there's a solid chance that Gibby wasn't interested in managing a tanking team. You also continue to call all the moves a dumpster fire, even though I pointed out a number of moves that worked out very well (Woodman ended up being 1.6 WAR from A. Diaz + Trent Thornton, Grichuk trade) and we've picked up some very solid pieces when dumpster diving (Sogard, Shoemaker, Oh + other bullpen arms). I don't get it. Just because you keep saying it, doesn't make it true.

[Barkerfan23]

Since taking over in 2016, I am finding it hard to name one quality player thats been brought in at the MLB level, that you could make the argument for as being above average. Grichuk comes to mind, but other than that not a single soul.

 

Sanchez and Stroman are still AAs guys. Smoak was AAs, as was Vlad. Ken Giles I guess

 

So Giles and Grichuk,

[Boxcar]

Don't even get me started on firing Gibby 2.0 just to replace him with the human bunt machine.

 

I have to say, I find this part from you to be utterly hilarious