Vlad Jr. - A Pre-Debut Extension

[Spanky99]

I guess you can't break your NDA.

 

NDA? lol

[Krylian]

NDA? lol

 

You won't/can't name names.

[Spanky99]

You won't/can't name names.

 

Sure, my buddies the Butler bros, Carp/Spoljaric/Hentgen/Eichorn/Green/D.Bell/Ducey... there's more. At first I was intimidated, few minutes in you realize they're just like us. Oh s***, how can I forget Quantrill, lol. Met him every time, it seems. A few coaches, like Iorg.

 

Edit: Eichorn's a hoot... mostly the deep accent.

 

Loose Lips sink Ships! I'm buzzed, sorry.

Edited May 1, 2018 by Spanky99

[BigCecil]

Sure, my buddies the Butler bros, Carp/Spoljaric/Hentgen/Eichorn/Green/D.Bell/Ducey... there's more. At first I was intimidated, few minutes in you realize they're just like us.

 

I met Puig and Turner at the Aquarium and Liriano at the Benihana's at the Royal York and I almost feinted like a school girl. My kids were less excited (maybe not). There is something about a big league ball player that is still larger than life for me. Even at 52. Maybe its just because Ive never really known any, unlike a few ex NHL players I know.

[Spanky99]

I met Puig and Turner at the Aquarium and Liriano at the Benihana's at the Royal York and I almost feinted like a school girl. My kids were less excited (maybe not). There is something about a big league ball player that is still larger than life for me. Even at 52. Maybe its just because Ive never really known any, unlike a few ex NHL players I know.

 

Yeah, I remember all your encounters, your son must've been glowing. I remember your plane ride, with Draper too, lol. Heck, I think I was with you at one of those games...

[Spanky99]

I met Puig and Turner at the Aquarium and Liriano at the Benihana's at the Royal York and I almost feinted like a school girl. My kids were less excited (maybe not). There is something about a big league ball player that is still larger than life for me. Even at 52. Maybe its just because Ive never really known any, unlike a few ex NHL players I know.

 

You coming in this year? Get me a ticket this time, we were lucky I snagged a seat 1 spot away, lol. Aaaaaand the guy didn't show up until the 7th. lol The guys running a ballpark journey with his buds, he was cool. Drew short on straws remember, lol.

Edited May 1, 2018 by Spanky99

[Ray]

Another month of Vladdy doing what he is and Morales being as bad as he is and I think he'll be called up sooner than we think. The whole 'Vladdy will debut in 2019' was media and fan speculation to begin with. I believe Shapiro himself said in an interview recently that Vlad Jr. will decide when he gets called up. If he keeps raking like this in AA and Morales is as bad as he is, I don't see why he won't be called up.

[P2F]

Tatis is already showing significant improvement. I bet an insane offensive tear is imminent.

 

A homer, 2 doubles, and a walk today.

[AdamGreenwood]

Pretty quiet on the DFA Morales front tonight.

[Pendleton]

Pretty quiet on the DFA Morales front tonight.

 

Clearly still has the speed/power combo

[TheHurl]

A homer, 2 doubles, and a walk today.

 

two HR's, a single, two walks and a stolen base tonight.

[P2F]

two HR's, a single, two walks and a stolen base tonight.

 

Who are you on about?

[Ray]

I'd be much more comfortable with giving him the Mike Trout contract a season or two after he's already performed and established himself as a star.

[TheHurl]

Who are you on about?

 

Kendrys. Big fanboy

[P2F]

Kendrys. Big fanboy

 

There had to be at least one of you out there. Congrats on his big night at the dish - you must feel like a proud papa.

[thatoneguy]

Pretty sure Vlad is already giving everyone a pre debut extension

 

I was anticipating this reading the thread and was not disappointed.

[TheHurl]

I don't think people are really grasping the risk/reward with my proposal.

 

Sure he could bust or get hurt. So could anybody.

 

But the reward is massive - locking up a superstar for his ages 20 - 32 seasons, and not having to guarantee him like 350 million (or more) to stick around when he turns 26 or 27.

 

Arguably you WANT to have the right to pay Vladdy 30M when he is 30, 31, and 32.

You obviously do not want to have to pay him 35M per year when he is older than that.

 

I like your extension better than most. Whoever suggested 6 years $60M was the worst even with 2 options. That's erasing all value. Donaldson as a super 2 made $56M. Harper $53M. Machado just $32.5.

[Terminator]

It's too pie-in-the-sky the dream about getting team options or any type of extension that would extend team control by a few years.

 

If his agent is any good, the only thing he should agree to is a deal that only covers what his arbitration years would currently cover. Vladdy could potentially be a FA for his age 26 season (if he's up in 2018 or breaks with the team in 2019) or his age 27 season (if he debuts a few weeks into 2019) - the Machado/Harper timeline. If he reaches anything approaching his ceiling then he could be looking at the biggest contract in baseball history when he's 26 or 27. Moving his free agency back at all will f*** with that significantly.

 

So here's the actual fun question - would you offer him a MEGA extension right now? A 12 or 14 year deal. Forget about the cute little Kingery template for now, which is only really on the table if Vladdy's representation is soft. What about guaranteeing something like:

 

$1M

$1.5

$2

$6

$12

$20

$25

$30

$30

$30

$30

$30

$30

$30

 

Negatives: Guaranteeing $277.5M to a teenager!!!

Negatives: You'd have to worry if it would f*** with his mental state / development / motivation.

Pros: Controlling Vladdy through his age ~32 season (or whatever) - all of his prime years, probably.

Pros: You bet Baltimore and Washington wished they had this type of deal with Harper or Machado years ago.

Pros: If he hits his ceiling, $30M will probably be under his market value as an elite player.

 

I didn't see this until now. I'd definitely be open to something like this. Let's swing even bigger though! I think you could frontload it more and then on the back end maybe get some options. Like what if we offered him a 12 year, 260 million dollar deal with 30 million dollar team options until he's 40? That way if he's still balling out of control we can just go year to year on him from then on.

 

Age 20- $10M

21- $12.5M

22- $15M

23- $17.5

24- $20

25- $20

26- $25

27- $25

28- $25

29- $25

30- $30

31- $30

32- $30

33- $30 (option)

34- $30 (option)

35- $30 (option)

36- $30 (option)

37- $30 (option)

38- $30 (option)

39- $30 (option)

40- $30 (option)

 

Maybe play with numbers how you want. Drop it to 12 years, 200 million or whatever you think you could get him at.

[Jimcanuck]

I didn't see this until now. I'd definitely be open to something like this. Let's swing even bigger though! I think you could frontload it more and then on the back end maybe get some options. Like what if we offered him a 12 year, 260 million dollar deal with 30 million dollar team options until he's 40? That way if he's still balling out of control we can just go year to year on him from then on.

 

Age 20- $10M

21- $12.5M

22- $15M

23- $17.5

24- $20

25- $20

26- $25

27- $25

28- $25

29- $25

30- $30

31- $30

32- $30

33- $30 (option)

34- $30 (option)

35- $30 (option)

36- $30 (option)

37- $30 (option)

38- $30 (option)

39- $30 (option)

40- $30 (option)

 

Maybe play with numbers how you want. Drop it to 12 years, 200 million or whatever you think you could get him at.

 

Man that sure buys a lot of food.

[Jimcanuck]

I didn't see this until now. I'd definitely be open to something like this. Let's swing even bigger though! I think you could frontload it more and then on the back end maybe get some options. Like what if we offered him a 12 year, 260 million dollar deal with 30 million dollar team options until he's 40? That way if he's still balling out of control we can just go year to year on him from then on.

 

Age 20- $10M

21- $12.5M

22- $15M

23- $17.5

24- $20

25- $20

26- $25

27- $25

28- $25

29- $25

30- $30

31- $30

32- $30

33- $30 (option)

34- $30 (option)

35- $30 (option)

36- $30 (option)

37- $30 (option)

38- $30 (option)

39- $30 (option)

40- $30 (option)

 

Maybe play with numbers how you want. Drop it to 12 years, 200 million or whatever you think you could get him at.

 

Man that sure buys a lot of food.

[connorp]

Man that sure buys a lot of food.

 

And hookers/blow. At least njh was able to come off the Sabre wagon for just a second and acknowledge guaranteeing a kid $300m could be very risky. I don’t know any pro athletes but I’d assume chasing that max contract has to be one of the biggest motivators and by the time they get there, that work ethic is established

[SaskJaysFan_2]

Pretty quiet on the DFA Morales front tonight.

 

Not for me. I want him DFAed pronto.

[Terminator]

Man that sure buys a lot of food.

 

Lol That's a good point. It's pretty insane to guarantee 200 mil to a teenager. The risk/reward is massive

[glory]

A 10 year deal would cover his 20's. I'm down for that. Team options for years 11 and 12. Risky (as all players are risky over a ten year period, even the can't miss types) but it buys out what should be his best years.

[Jimcanuck]

Lol That's a good point. It's pretty insane to guarantee 200 mil to a teenager. The risk/reward is massive

 

Tie some salary to weight?

[burlingtonbandit]

Yeah even if the bat lives up to the hype he still may only be a DH.

[TheHurl]

I didn't see this until now. I'd definitely be open to something like this. Let's swing even bigger though! I think you could frontload it more and then on the back end maybe get some options. Like what if we offered him a 12 year, 260 million dollar deal with 30 million dollar team options until he's 40? That way if he's still balling out of control we can just go year to year on him from then on.

 

Age 20- $10M

21- $12.5M

22- $15M

23- $17.5

24- $20

25- $20

26- $25

27- $25

28- $25

29- $25

30- $30

31- $30

32- $30

33- $30 (option)

34- $30 (option)

35- $30 (option)

36- $30 (option)

37- $30 (option)

38- $30 (option)

39- $30 (option)

40- $30 (option)

 

Maybe play with numbers how you want. Drop it to 12 years, 200 million or whatever you think you could get him at.

 

Damn lawyers that can't add (that was $285M). I do think if you are going to do this type of deal, you would backload it much heavier. Provides some currency risk but you still want to plan for an expense like this.

[Terminator]

Damn lawyers that can't add (that was $285M). I do think if you are going to do this type of deal, you would backload it much heavier. Provides some currency risk but you still want to plan for an expense like this.

 

Yeah I changed the numbers midway through after I read NJH's comment more carefully and then I suck at math as you said. Almost all lawyers do (unless we are counting damages or our attorney's fees).

[BigCecil]

Yeah, I remember all your encounters, your son must've been glowing. I remember your plane ride, with Draper too, lol. Heck, I think I was with you at one of those games...

 

Oh ya, forgot about that. after game we flew to Windsor to in laws and sat with Drew miller who was heading back to Detroit cause he just got cut by the Red Wings. Super nice guy. He will always be in his brothers shadow.

 

Not sure on this year. Life has changed with a 13 month old daughter. Not so easy to hop on plane and pick off Jays game like we used to. Will let you know if we head to the big smoke for a series Spank.

 

On another note didn't see today but fk has Stro sucked so far. Less tweet - more better pitch.

[Spanky99]

Oh ya, forgot about that. after game we flew to Windsor to in laws and sat with Drew miller who was heading back to Detroit cause he just got cut by the Red Wings. Super nice guy. He will always be in his brothers shadow.

 

Not sure on this year. Life has changed with a 13 month old daughter. Not so easy to hop on plane and pick off Jays game like we used to. Will let you know if we head to the big smoke for a series Spank.

 

On another note didn't see today but fk has Stro sucked so far. Less tweet - more better pitch.

 

Saw your PM, right Miller that's it, Stro was much better today but not where he needs to be. Cheers mate!