General 2018 Blue Jays Discussion Thread

[SaskJaysFan_2]

You are likely looking at an organization's top 2 prospect which I don't think Sanchez or Stroman will yield. A potential #2 starter is higher than what either Stro/Sanchez are currently, so I don't see another team giving up that potential. I think Shatkins has to gamble here for a good start with either so I 100% agree with you, we can't trade them now. I know holding onto JD was a gamble that didn't work, but neither are a FA at the end of the year and I think there's a higher likelihood Stroman improves, I mean, compared to last year he has to!

 

Yeah, the long game here appeals to me. What happened to JD's 2018 was a nightmare no one saw coming. It was bad luck, shrouded in bad luck, wrapped in bad luck.

[Carlos Danger]

We have a full 2 yrs of control. Or, another team would have a a full two years. Trade deadline you have less teams interested, only a season and a quarter of control. Aaron or Stroman could get hurt again or say they aren't and just pitch like crap.

 

I say get what you can now......

[KevinGregg]

We have a full 2 yrs of control. Or, another team would have a a full two years. Trade deadline you have less teams interested, only a season and a quarter of control. Aaron or Stroman could get hurt again or say they aren't and just pitch like crap.

 

I say get what you can now......

 

I would trade Stroman now possibly, but I don't see how Sanchez's value could go anywhere but up. I'd keep Sanchez at least til the deadline.

[Jimcanuck]

Is it not true that MLB'ers under team control depreciate in value as the amount of control decreases, and prospects typically increase in value as they get closer to MLB (of course this is not the case for every prospect).

 

If the Jays intend to trade Stroman and/or Sanchez for prospects, better to do it sooner than later IMO.

[Spanky__99]

Is it not true that MLB'ers under team control depreciate in value as the amount of control decreases, and prospects typically increase in value as they get closer to MLB (of course this is not the case for every prospect).

 

If the Jays intend to trade Stroman and/or Sanchez for prospects, better to do it sooner than later IMO.

 

That all depends in results, it's a gamble either way, if the Jays think they're getting fair value they'll pull the trigger, if not they'll roll the dice.

[Jimcanuck]

That all depends in results, it's a gamble either way, if the Jays think they're getting fair value they'll pull the trigger, if not they'll roll the dice.

 

Sure, but from a time value of money perspective, they should be leaning towards moving them sooner than later is all I am saying.

 

If Jays brass think they have a realistic shot at WC2 (like last off season with JD), then that changes the calculus. I don't think they do have a realistic shot in 2019.

[Spanky__99]

Sure, but from a time value of money perspective, they should be leaning towards moving them sooner than later is all I am saying.

 

My post was self explanatory, Jim. Do you want me to regurgitate what I posted?

[Jimcanuck]

My post was self explanatory, Jim. Do you want me to regurgitate what I posted?

 

Do whatever you like, man!

[Spanky__99]

Do whatever you like, man!

 

Okay. I answered your post, lol.

[glory]

Is it not true that MLB'ers under team control depreciate in value as the amount of control decreases, and prospects typically increase in value as they get closer to MLB (of course this is not the case for every prospect).

 

If the Jays intend to trade Stroman and/or Sanchez for prospects, better to do it sooner than later IMO.

 

I think teams nowadays are smart enough to see past Stroman’s ERA. Having him for two years is a lot more desirable than a year and two months or just a year. If they are going to move him then now might be the time.

 

Sanchez is ass as a starter so there may not be a good time to trade him. Might have to pick the right time to approach AA and see if the sight of Sanchez still gives him that funny feeling. Beyond that, keep him and hope he improves. Can’t do anything else really.

[Jimcanuck]

I think teams nowadays are smart enough to see past Stroman’s ERA. Havingbhim for two years is a lot more desirable than a year and two months or just a year. If they are going to move him then now might be the time.

 

Sanchez is ass as a starter so there may not be a good time to trade him. Have to pick the right time to approach AA and see if the sight of Sanchez still gives him that funny feeling.

 

Agree on Sanchez and AA. If he doesn't bite, put Sanchez in the bullpen to protect and increase on whatever value he has and move him at the deadline.

[Carlos Danger]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/the-blue-jays-need-to-get-more-pieces-around-vladimir-guerrero-jr-by-embracing-their-rebuild/amp/

[Spanky__99]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/the-blue-jays-need-to-get-more-pieces-around-vladimir-guerrero-jr-by-embracing-their-rebuild/amp/

 

They don't say, lol.

[Terminator]

Beat writers usually suck but Gregor Chisholm might be the exception. Decent Q and A about the offseason.

 

https://www.mlb.com/bluejays/news/who-will-stick-as-blue-jays-shortstop/c-301972254

[Bobthe4th]

[Spanky__99]

Full interview with Mark Shapiro on Tim and Sid, yesterday...

 

[Spanky__99]

That's a great interview by the way! Above^^^^

[Carlos Danger]

Full interview with Mark Shapiro on Tim and Sid, yesterday...

 

 

Good interview. The second really good one I have heard by Mark. He is a good sales man and makes me optimistic.

 

However, we will see when the rubber meets the road. So far it has been all talk and very little results..

 

We shall see..

[P2F]

Good interview. The second really good one I have heard by Mark. He is a good sales man and makes me optimistic.

 

However, we will see when the rubber meets the road. So far it has been all talk and very little results..

 

We shall see..

 

Very little results? The Jays have a top 5 farm in baseball, bro. They were likely a bottom 5 farm when Shapiro and Atkins took over, as AA had previously traded away basically anyone in the system that was worth a damn. It's impressive that Atkins has added so many promising prospects in such a short amount of time.

 

As an aside, I am thankful to AA for signing our crown jewel and even more thankful that he didn't trade him away.

[BTS]

Very little results? The Jays have a top 5 farm in baseball, bro. They were likely a bottom 5 farm when Shapiro and Atkins took over, as AA had previously traded away basically anyone in the system that was worth a damn. It's impressive that Atkins has added so many promising prospects in such a short amount of time.

 

As an aside, I am thankful to AA for signing our crown jewel and even more thankful that he didn't trade him away.

 

Resisting the pressure to continue pushing chips in an effort to continue to compete with the ageing core was huge. We could be the Tigers. Instead, we're two seasons from having no bad money on the books, a loaded farm, and deep 40-man.

[Dick_Pole]

Very little results? The Jays have a top 5 farm in baseball, bro. They were likely a bottom 5 farm when Shapiro and Atkins took over, as AA had previously traded away basically anyone in the system that was worth a damn. It's impressive that Atkins has added so many promising prospects in such a short amount of time.

 

As an aside, I am thankful to AA for signing our crown jewel and even more thankful that he didn't trade him away.

 

Agree with most of this, except that a lot of that move up was a result of young guys who were under AA's tenure progressing through the system. He didn't gut the entire farm, just the upper part of it.

 

Let's just say that AA moved on at the right time. Since 2015 we got two good years, two mediocre ones. The verdict is still out on 2019 and by 2020 things should be reasonably well again. Will probably be a .500 or better team for those six years with two maybe three playoff appearances. That's not too bad. There are enough complaints for AA and Shapiro from different armchair QB's on here. I think each controlled the team at the right time in its competitive cycle, more or less. If Beeston was here longer it could have been worse (I think he is the source of the of AA's brain farts more than anything).

[glory]

Yeah as much as this should have started a year ago, it was probably out of Shapiro's hands. Where we are now all things considered is very good. A little bit more luck with JD not getting hurt and Osuna not being a dick, and the trade returns would have been closer to fair than they were (still think we did well in the Osuna trade considering the circumstances.....JD trade was obviously a mess forced by injury).

[Carlos Danger]

Very little results? The Jays have a top 5 farm in baseball, bro. They were likely a bottom 5 farm when Shapiro and Atkins took over, as AA had previously traded away basically anyone in the system that was worth a damn. It's impressive that Atkins has added so many promising prospects in such a short amount of time.

 

 

As an aside, I am thankful to AA for signing our crown jewel and even more thankful that he didn't trade him away.

 

Well, I guess it depends what your metrics are. Having a BA etc etc top rated farm system is great on paper and hence I am optimistic. Having collaboration and better this and that is great and I agree with a lot of what he said in what I also do for my team in the business world.

 

However at the end of the day, the goal is to have sucess at the ML level. When I say sucess,I mean playoff sucess. We are not there yet.

 

The Blue Jays teams of the 80’s and 90s won with those same s***** facilities in Dunedin.

 

The 2013 Blue Jays were on paper picked to win the WS, they sucked when it actually came to playing games.

 

The farm system is a paper ranking. A lot of the players used to bolster those numbers ae from the AA regime. They still have Jansen, Alford, SRF etc contributing to that ranking, and of course as you mentioned Vlad the baseball impaler.

 

I admitted I am optimistic, but we have not yet achieved the on field results. Until such time, I am not going to give a guy a prize for draft rankings.

[polar bear]

Full interview with Mark Shapiro on Tim and Sid, yesterday...

 

 

Teriffic interview,missed it live. Cheers Spanky.

[BTS]

Full interview with Mark Shapiro on Tim and Sid, yesterday...

 

 

I really hope the team is respectable this year, because I don't want ownership either firing him or forcing him to expedite timelines. There's no doubt in my mind that Shapiro will build a powerhouse if allowed to do so.

[glory]

I really hope the team is respectable this year, because I don't want ownership either firing him or forcing him to expedite timelines. There's no doubt in my mind that Shapiro will build a powerhouse if allowed to do so.

 

He was an Ed Rogers hire I believe so chances are Rogers will keep him around (whether he wants to stay after his contract is another story), but I can definitely see Rogers pushing the timeline up. Last year was an attendance nightmare, and 2019 probably will be as well. I could see ownership panicking and telling him to build a winner in 2020, or something equally aggressive.

[The Iceman]

Building a winner in 2020 is hardly panicking. A good GM should be able to turn this team around by then.

[Terminator]

I really hope the team is respectable this year, because I don't want ownership either firing him or forcing him to expedite timelines. There's no doubt in my mind that Shapiro will build a powerhouse if allowed to do so.

 

Yeah I am slightly worried about that. This could be an ugly year which would make for 3 bad years in a row. I just hope ownership will be patient because the fans aren't going to be.

[TheHurl]

I really hope the team is respectable this year, because I don't want ownership either firing him or forcing him to expedite timelines. There's no doubt in my mind that Shapiro will build a powerhouse if allowed to do so.

 

Shapiro's biggest project now is making the Rogers Centre something other than a hunk of concrete. Rogers isn't sending him anywhere right now

[Boxcar]

Shapiro's biggest project now is making the Rogers Centre something other than a hunk of concrete. Rogers isn't sending him anywhere right now

 

Yeah, I know for a fact that they were soliciting engineering firms in regards to the roof awhile ago. Haven't heard anything about it since, though.