2017 First-Year Player Draft | Day 2 | June 13 - 1:00 PM ET

[metafour]

So basically Warmoth will bust and Pearson will be a dominant starter.

 

Keith Law is right sometimes. Gotta give him credit for calling Tellez trashy.

[Maahfaace]

Atkins isn't picking players. How many times does this honestly need to be explained?

 

I wasn't trying to suggest he was, just that the Jays should target this power arm if he's still on the board.

[Maahfaace]

Keith Law is right sometimes. Gotta give him credit for calling Tellez trashy.

 

I still wouldn't quite write off Tellez, his K and BB rates are still solid, just seems like he's been struck with the BABIP AIDS right meow.

[metafour]

I still wouldn't quite write off Tellez, his K and BB rates are still solid, just seems like he's been struck with the BABIP AIDS right meow.

 

Even his K and BB rates are only OK, nothing special. People are really reaching to try and make it look like he hasn't been terrible. He is hitting for absolutely zero power. Zero. I don't buy "BABIP AIDS", a slugger should at least show power even if he's being generally unlucky otherwise.

 

Yeah, its still early to write him off, but as a base clogger with zero defensive value, this isn't looking good. This is why that profile very rarely pans out: the bat has to be super special, and by that metric he looks like a turd.

[Brownie19]

Atkins isn't picking players. How many times does this honestly need to be explained?

 

You're grumpy.

[TwistedLogic]

The Jays draft Roger Clemens' son, 1B Kacy Clemens. First player drafted by the Blue Jays to not be ranked on either MLB or Baseball America.

[Deadpool]

The Jays draft Roger Clemens' son, 1B Kacy Clemens. First player drafted by the Blue Jays to not be ranked on either MLB or Baseball America.

 

I wonder if this is an attempt to grab him and turn him back into a pitcher... This should be a super easy sign though, so flexibility!

[Maahfaace]

Even his K and BB rates are only OK, nothing special. People are really reaching to try and make it look like he hasn't been terrible. He is hitting for absolutely zero power. Zero. I don't buy "BABIP AIDS", a slugger should at least show power even if he's being generally unlucky otherwise.

 

Yeah, its still early to write him off, but as a base clogger with zero defensive value, this isn't looking good. This is why that profile very rarely pans out: the bat has to be super special, and by that metric he looks like a turd.

 

Referencing years prior, his K/BB rates haven't changed, hence why with a relatively small sample size in AAA it looks like a BABIP fueled slump. I'll admit, I've only watched a handful of his games in Buffalo this year but nothing jumps out as to the reason for such a sharp quick decline in results. I wouldn't be surprised to see him somewhat turn it around in the last 2/3s of the season.

[burlingtonbandit]

Last 3 signings have to be punts or under 20K signings.

[Deadpool]

Another one that seems like a money saving sign... Zach Logue, College lefty. Not good numbers, small dude... Not sure what's there...

[TwistedLogic]

The Jays draft LHP Zach Logue (MLB: N/A | BA: 258)

[metafour]

Another one that seems like a money saving sign... Zach Logue, College lefty. Not good numbers, small dude... Not sure what's there...

 

None of these guys except maybe the Clemens are obvious punts. Maybe they save some money, but likely nothing serious.

[Deadpool]

None of these guys except maybe the Clemens are obvious punts. Maybe they save some money, but likely nothing serious.

 

I mean... That's the point in selecting guys like this way earlier than their talent dictates, right? You save money. These are probably guys who go well under slot, the lot of 'em.

[metafour]

I mean... That's the point in selecting guys like this way earlier than their talent dictates, right? You save money. These are probably guys who go well under slot, the lot of 'em.

 

No, the "rankings" become largely useless after the first few rounds. Teams draft by their own board, not by what BA generates by picking names out of a hat. Some of these guys might be a bit underslot, but "punt picks" are really obvious: SR players. The one pitcher we took is 6'7 and threw a 14 strikeout game late in the season...they probably like him for where he was picked.

[jays4life19]

The Jays draft LHP Zach Logue (MLB: N/A | BA: 258)

 

After an apprenticeship in Kentucky's bullpen, Logue became a reliable starter as a junior, posting a 7-5, 4.84 year, showing the ability to generate strikeouts with his slider, but also showing a propensity to give up hard contact when he caught too much of the plate. Scouts see him moving back to the bullpen as a pro, a role they saw him excel in last summer in the Cape Cod League. Logue's 87-90 mph fastball and fringe-average slider both might play up more in short stints as a matchup lefty.

[Deadpool]

No, the "rankings" become largely useless after the first few rounds. Teams draft by their own board, not by what BA generates by picking names out of a hat. Some of these guys might be a bit underslot, but "punt picks" are really obvious: SR players. The one pitcher we took is 6'7 and threw a 14 strikeout game late in the season...they probably like him for where he was picked.

 

Thing is, players only have a certain amount of leverage... None of these guys can go to the Jays and be like "I want lots of money", 'cause nobody would have given them that money. These are guys who nobody things really highly of, so they'll probably take $50K to play ball, rather than go on to their senior year when they might be taking $5K, if they get drafted at all. They're not totally desperate, they likely won't take $10K or less (except the guy we just drafted who is absolutely getting $5-10K) but they'll be well under slot.

[burlingtonbandit]

Thing is, players only have a certain amount of leverage... None of these guys can go to the Jays and be like "I want lots of money", 'cause nobody would have given them that money. These are guys who nobody things really highly of, so they'll probably take $50K to play ball, rather than go on to their senior year when they might be taking $5K, if they get drafted at all. They're not totally desperate, they likely won't take $10K or less (except the guy we just drafted who is absolutely getting $5-10K) but they'll be well under slot.

 

The players really have more leverage because if they don't sign then the team gets screwed by losing that slot amount. But if you have a pre-draft deal you can't really do much because then the agent would get screwed for future negotiations.

[Deadpool]

The players really have more leverage because if they don't sign then the team gets screwed by losing that slot amount. But if you have a pre-draft deal you can't really do much because then the agent would get screwed for future negotiations.

 

Yeah, but that's the whole "cutting off your nose to spite your face" thing... And in this day and age, there's no way that any player gets drafted by a team without both sides having a good idea of what dollar figure it will take to make a deal happen. I'm just not seeing any of the guys picked in rounds 5+ getting their slot value, they all seem like guys that were picked 'cause they'd be cheap. (I'm assuming the FO thinks they could contribute and won't just be release candidates in 6 months, but none of them jump off the page, and none of them were on anyone's top 100s)

[Maahfaace]

Yeah, but that's the whole "cutting off your nose to spite your face" thing... And in this day and age, there's no way that any player gets drafted by a team without both sides having a good idea of what dollar figure it will take to make a deal happen. I'm just not seeing any of the guys picked in rounds 5+ getting their slot value, they all seem like guys that were picked 'cause they'd be cheap. (I'm assuming the FO thinks they could contribute and won't just be release candidates in 6 months, but none of them jump off the page, and none of them were on anyone's top 100s)

 

I'm sure this has been brought up before, but I'd be on board with getting rid of this pool bonus system in the next CBA. Switching to a system that would just assign the value of each pick, eliminating the negotiating process altogether. It would make for a much more interesting draft, but would definitely require teams to invest way more into scouting players outside of there signing bubble.

[Krylian]

1 HS pick in the first 11 picks. Somewhere JP is smiling.

[burlingtonbandit]

I'm sure this has been brought up before, but I'd be on board with getting rid of this pool bonus system in the next CBA. Switching to a system that would just assign the value of each pick, eliminating the negotiating process altogether. It would make for a much more interesting draft, but would definitely require teams to invest way more into scouting players outside of there signing bubble.

 

I don't think that'd be as fun. Also doubt the MLBPA would go for it.

[John_Havok]

Another one that seems like a money saving sign... Zach Logue, College lefty. Not good numbers, small dude... Not sure what's there...

 

They still have 3 full teams to fill in Short season ball. Orgs always want some higher competition college guys to fill out roster spots down there since no team has 75 18-20 year olds kicking around.

 

Hell, wait for the flurry of non drafted free agents that get signed after the draft for nothing but a 1 way ticket to Florida and the chance to pitch in instructs

[Deadpool]

They still have 3 full teams to fill in Short season ball. Orgs always want some higher competition college guys to fill out roster spots down there since no team has 75 18-20 year olds kicking around.

 

Yeah, but do they need to pick 'em in the top 10 rounds, if it's not a strategy to save money for earlier/later picks?

[John_Havok]

Yeah, but do they need to pick 'em in the top 10 rounds, if it's not a strategy to save money for earlier/later picks?

 

Just a bit of both really. You need the players and you need to punt picks to save slot money, so kill 2 birds with one stone I guess.

 

You're right (counter to 37 please) in that if they didn't need to save slot money they wouldn't be taken this early.

[Deadpool]

Just a bit of both really. You need the players and you need to punt picks to save slot money, so kill 2 birds with one stone I guess.

 

You're right (counter to 37 please) in that if they didn't need to save slot money they wouldn't be taken this early.

 

Technically, I'm not supposed to adjust it when the magic words "Deadpool is right" are typed, but I'll allow it this time....

[JaysAllMighty]

It's pedophile, and he was 15, there's a time-line he grades well.

 

you know there's no cure for that right? Even if they are castrated.

[Deadpool]

you know there's no cure for that right? Even if they are castrated.

 

[citation needed]

[Caper]

you know there's no cure for that right? Even if they are castrated.

 

He is considered almost no risk to reoffend.

[JaysAllMighty]

He is considered almost no risk to reoffend.

 

Of course they will say that... just don't leave your kid alone with him.

[Brownie19]

He is considered almost no risk to reoffend.

 

How many sex offenders do they release with a moderate to high risk of re-offending? How many people considered low to no risk actually offend again?