Toronto Blue Jays Rebuilding Thread

[Spanky99]

Hope you're right, though I don't think anyone gives up a haul for one year of JD. Still rather trade him than watch him put up a 6-7 war season on a .500 team and then leave. I fear Rogers is already driving team direction.

 

lulz

[Spanky99]

An old guy at my work calls nearly everyone "my son". It's weird. I call him Dad now.

 

What's wrong with that, mate?

[Jimcanuck]

Hope you're right, though I don't think anyone gives up a haul for one year of JD. Still rather trade him than watch him put up a 6-7 war season on a .500 team and then leave. I fear Rogers is already driving team direction.

 

They will certainly set expectations. But if they get involved in player personnel decisions, you can bet Shapiro will be looking for employment elsewhere.

[G-Snarls]

They will certainly set expectations. But if they get involved in player personnel decisions, you can bet Shapiro will be looking for employment elsewhere.

 

I don't think they ever did with Beeston and AA so I can't see them doing it now

[Krylian]

He's certainly not a write off, bro.

 

Not yet. But with every new injury he's getting closer to it.

[Krylian]

I don't think they ever did with Beeston and AA so I can't see them doing it now

 

Maybe not to that level, but I can see them pumping the brakes on a rebuild and opt for the illusion of competitiveness instead, even if The Shat recommend it.

[Brownie19]

What's wrong with that, mate?

 

um. Because I'm not his son.

[glory]

They will certainly set expectations. But if they get involved in player personnel decisions, you can bet Shapiro will be looking for employment elsewhere.

 

I don't think they will get into specific player decisions, but even team direction is going to hurt us. The Jays have a real opportunity to set the stage for the 2019, 2020, etc, roster by trading JD, Osuna, Happ, and others for players who can come up the same time as their other top prospects, but if they are stuck having to fake a contender to keep ticket sales up, then it's going to hurt. If they want to fake a contender while trading JD/Osuna/Happ, then be my damn guest. I don't care if they want to fool the casual fan into buying tickets. As long as they don't fall back into the 1995-2014 trap.

[G-Snarls]

Does anyone really want to trade Osuna?

 

He's only 22 years old; he'll still be young when the youth movement hits in 2019/2020

[Abomination]

Does anyone really want to trade Osuna?

 

He's only 22 years old; he'll still be young when the youth movement hits in 2019/2020

 

Yes, he probably brings back one elite or two very, very good prospects that are near MLB ready. I'll take an everyday, hopefully above average player over a relief pitcher that only pitches once every two or three days, and only with the lead, any day.

[BTS]

Does anyone really want to trade Osuna?

 

He's only 22 years old; he'll still be young when the youth movement hits in 2019/2020

 

Yes. I don't believe in holding relievers unless you're a championship contender. He'd bring back at least a blue chip prospect + lesser pieces, and I'd absolutely sell before his arm has a chance to fall off.

[glory]

Does anyone really want to trade Osuna?

 

He's only 22 years old; he'll still be young when the youth movement hits in 2019/2020

 

Sell high. Teams that aren't good don't need closers, and Osuna having three years of control left makes him a more attractive trade chip.

[P2F]

An old guy at my work calls nearly everyone "my son". It's weird. I call him Dad now.

 

It must be weird when he refers to the women as 'my son'.

[Captain Adama]

Does anyone really want to trade Osuna?

 

He's only 22 years old; he'll still be young when the youth movement hits in 2019/2020

 

Absolutely trade him.

 

With his injury history, trade him before his arm explodes.

[Dr. Dinger]

Lots of red flags with Osuna right now between his anxiety issues and the velo drop in the second half. If we could get an Andrew Miller level return, I'd jump on it. You don't just sell for the sake of it, though, you need to get back a Top 100 prospect and then some.

[Omar]

Why trade Osuna now that he has been devalued?

Build his value back up to a respectable level next season and pull the trigger if a good deal presents itself.

[G-Snarls]

Why trade Osuna now that he has been devalued?

Build his value back up to a respectable level next season and pull the trigger if a good deal presents itself.

 

Trade deadline 2018

[glory]

Why trade Osuna now that he has been devalued?

Build his value back up to a respectable level next season and pull the trigger if a good deal presents itself.

 

Teams are smarter now. They will look at FIP and WAR over blown saves and ERA. Should have traded him at the deadline in hindsight, but he will probably still have value in the winter. Waiting until next trade deadline could be risky. He's already seen a velocity dip, combined with anxiety issues. Trade him this winter and maybe you can still get a Juan Soto type plus others.

[Abomination]

Teams are smarter now. They will look at FIP and WAR over blown saves and ERA. Should have traded him at the deadline in hindsight, but he will probably still have value in the winter. Waiting until next trade deadline could be risky. He's already seen a velocity dip, combined with anxiety issues. Trade him this winter and maybe you can still get a Juan Soto type plus others.

 

I wonder how the Dodgers value Joc Pederson right now? They demoted him, and they have some nice outfield prospects coming up. Osuna would form a nice 1-2 punch for them in the pen with Kenley.

[wamco]

I like joc . Hope it wouldn't take osuna to get him. Sb hasn't translated to MLB yet and has his struggles making contact. And of help is prob on the way internally. Walks like a mofo though

[Abomination]

I like joc . Hope it wouldn't take osuna to get him. Sb hasn't translated to MLB yet and has his struggles making contact. And of help is prob on the way internally. Walks like a mofo though

 

A 20% K rate this year for his kind of power is pretty nice too. Ability to play CF doesn't hurt either.

[wamco]

Teams are smarter now. They will look at FIP and WAR over blown saves and ERA. Should have traded him at the deadline in hindsight, but he will probably still have value in the winter. Waiting until next trade deadline could be risky. He's already seen a velocity dip, combined with anxiety issues. Trade him this winter and maybe you can still get a Juan Soto type plus others.

 

His blown saves keep us out of the playoffs, per say . Fip be damned. Tired of sabre stats overruling common sense

[John_Havok]

His blown saves keep us out of the playoffs, per say . Fip be damned. Tired of sabre stats overruling common sense

 

Too bad you're not displaying much common sense.

 

Blown saves happen to closers at the best if times. A dink hit there, s***** walk there, bad sequencing .... yeah, he's to blame because he's on the mound and throwing the pitches but just looking at a BS number is never the only important stat for a closer.

 

60 innings he's only given up 3 HR and 9 walks while striking out 76. That's f***ing dominance. I'll take that in the 9th inning any day of the week.

 

Btw, he blew 6 saves last season, so 4 more doesn't make or break a team's fortunes, though having the worst offense and 3rd worst defense in the AL certainly will.

[John_Havok]

His blown saves keep us out of the playoffs, per say . Fip be damned. Tired of sabre stats overruling common sense

 

And it's SABER ffs, it's not a goddamned cavalry sword

[Brownie19]

I wonder how the Dodgers value Joc Pederson right now? They demoted him, and they have some nice outfield prospects coming up. Osuna would form a nice 1-2 punch for them in the pen with Kenley.

 

I'd love to see the Jays get Joc

[Krylian]

This is a rebuilding the Blue Jays thread, not rebuilding your erection.

[Abomination]

This is a rebuilding the Blue Jays thread, not rebuilding your erection.

 

Plus, with the prospects we have coming up, we don't need any additional chemicals. Maybe a muscle relaxant ...

[P2F]

This is a rebuilding the Blue Jays thread, not rebuilding your erection.

 

This would've been even better if you'd said, "This is an erecting the rebuild thread, not a rebuilding the erection thread".

 

*mic drop*

[G-Snarls]

Could this be an adequate 2018 lineup if they're all reasonably healthy?

 

1. Teoscar Hernandez ® LF

2. Josh Donaldson ® 3B

3. Justin Smoak (S) 1B

4. Free agent RF (Jay Bruce or Carlos Gonzalez??)

5. Kendrys Morales or Steve Pearce (S) DH

6. Russell Martin ® C

7. Troy Tulowitzki (L) SS

8. Kevin Pillar ® CF

9. Travis ® 2B

 

(You could flip Hernandez and Travis if you want)

 

Bench: Pearce, Carrera, Barney or Goins, backup catcher

 

That's a pretty old veteran team but if they want to contend in 2018 they might as well sign a decent early 30's free agent to replace Bautista and do the hard work in filling out the rotation

[Bobthe4th]

Could this be an adequate 2018 lineup if they're all reasonably healthy?

 

1. Teoscar Hernandez ® LF

2. Josh Donaldson ® 3B

3. Justin Smoak (S) 1B

4. Free agent RF (Jay Bruce or Carlos Gonzalez??)

5. Kendrys Morales or Steve Pearce (S) DH

6. Russell Martin ® C

7. Troy Tulowitzki (L) SS

8. Kevin Pillar ® CF

9. Travis ® 2B

 

(You could flip Hernandez and Travis if you want)

 

Bench: Pearce, Carrera, Barney or Goins, backup catcher

 

That's a pretty old veteran team but if they want to contend in 2018 they might as well sign a decent early 30's free agent to replace Bautista and do the hard work in filling out the rotation

 

With Alford and Gurriel both being nearly ready, you could go with Pearce, Carrera, Pillar and Teoscar as the outfielders with ideally at some point in 2018 Alford becoming a starter, and/or Gurriel taking the Goins role of cover middle infielder with the ability to play LF if needed. Could then spend the money saved (from not signing an overpaid free agent outfielder) on pitchers (and in a perfect world Otani haha). Depends entirely on the market and who they can get - I'd be happy with either approach if they sign the right players.

 

I can't see Barney being back, he's a free agent. Goins should stick around as the 25th man, can't see him being jettisoned yet.

 

Depending on if they feel that Urena can be relied on to be called up when Tulo and/or Travis get injured, I think they may acquire another middle infielder in case Gurriel needs more time to develop.