Is the 2017 team better, worse or equivalent to the 2016 team

[Daniel Labude]

So with your awesome talent evaluation skills and wisdom, how is it none of you are running an MLB front office!?

 

I asked for too much money

[P2F]

So with your awesome talent evaluation skills and wisdom, how is it none of you are running an MLB front office!?

 

Buying high on a 38-yo knuckleballer to go "all in" was just a dumb idea from the get-go. Regression was inevitable and likely to be immediate, given the age curve. Dickey pitched about as well as anyone should've expected. He had a nice Cy season, but the improbability of a repeat season should've been identified. Unfortunately, AA truly believed Dickey was going to be "even better" than the previous year. Just LOL.

 

The Jays abandoned a promising rebuild to "go for it" in one offseason - that is rarely how championships are won in baseball, and incredibly ill-advised given where the team was at at the time. Syndergaard and d'Arnaud should've been retained.

[wk680]

Buying high on a 38-yo knuckleballer to go "all in" was just a dumb idea from the get-go. Regression was inevitable and likely to be immediate, given the age curve. Dickey pitched about as well as anyone should've expected. He had a nice Cy season, but the improbability of a repeat season should've been identified. Unfortunately, AA truly believed Dickey was going to be "even better" than the previous year. Just LOL.

 

The Jays abandoned a promising rebuild to "go for it" in one offseason - that is rarely how championships are won in baseball, and incredibly ill-advised given where the team was at at the time. Syndergaard and d'Arnaud should've been retained.

 

Dickey, for whom I am not trying to be a special pleader (nor for AA), had 3 solid seasons with the Mets from 2010-2012 with FIP of 3.75, 3.95. 3.27, respectively. Had he repeated roughly along the average of those 3 seasons for a couple more years, I suspect the Jays would have been satisfied. He underperformed with FIP of 4.23 and 4.14 in 2013 and 2014 respectively but at least did eat up innings.

 

As far as the moves to go all in for 2013 versus a rebuild around their own prospects: who other than Syndergaard has gone on to amount to much? Henderson Alvarez was producing nicely, but then he flamed out.

[TBJ12]

I asked for too much money

 

Wow!

[glory]

So with your awesome talent evaluation skills and wisdom, how is it none of you are running an MLB front office!?

 

Because hating the idea of trading two of your best prospects for a 38 year old knuckleballer coming off a season he had no chance of ever duplicating requires front office know-how.

[wk680]

Because hating the idea of trading two of your best prospects for a 38 year old knuckleballer coming off a season he had no chance of ever duplicating requires front office know-how.

 

Fair enough. But they were just prospects like all the others traded away that off-season, and only 1 of all the multitudes has so far reached the heights of All-Star caliber. Of the others maybe only two (Hech and DeSclafani) are solid regulars. But I will concede the Dickey trade was a bridge too far in that 2012-2013 off-season push

 

When you think about the Jays' total lack of success in 2013 and 2014 following that big push, it is quite astounding that Anthopoulus was given another chance in 2015.

[intentional wok]

When you think about the Jays' total lack of success in 2013 and 2014 following that big push, it is quite astounding that Anthopoulus was given another chance in 2015.

 

He saved his name in this city with the flurry of 2015 trades. He was one bad September week away from his reputation being dirt.

[Captain Adama]

A walk down memory lane:

 

http://www.forums.mlb.com/discussions/Toronto_Blue_Jays/General/ml-bluejays/1?tsn=4342&nav=messages&tid=87920

[The Iceman]

You mean like this?

 

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a285/lozocara/radickey.gif

 

Well that happened so many times is the thing

 

My favorite was tuning in to hear Gibby talk about Dickey starts and what excuse would it be tonight?

His knuckleball was too good tonight. Dancing too much

Or one bad inning. Thought he threw the ball well 5 of the 6 innings.

To cold, too windy. Always a reason he sucked.