Jose Bautista struggling to find a deal

[Orgfiller]

He did make more contact within the strikezone so it could just be randomness. Like you said he still made overall contract at around the same rate as before.

 

As for the shoulder issues, he played with that last year and was just fine offensively. Injury wise I would think the knee would have contributed more to his power loss, which should be fixable.

 

Yeah, for some inexplicable reason I forgot to include randomness in there even though I had also taken that into consideration myself, so if you don't mind I will edit my post to include that. I think he should bounce back as reasonably as you can expect a 36 year old post-prime breakout slugger with apparent injury issues to bounce back. It might be safe to assume that playing the outfield for too long at this stage in his career might also negatively impact his offensive output and increase the risk of injury.

[ChrisS]

Just taking a quick look at his heat maps from 2015 to 2016. Looks like a difference on cstrike% on fastballs on both inside corners, particularly the lower inside. Seems like he was taking much more fastballs there

for called strikes this past season.

[Governator]

It seemed to me that he couldn't catch up to the high heaters and as the season wore on it became more exploitable. Eye test.

[wamco]

What contract does Jose get if he had the same ops last year but played 155 games ?

[Olerud363]

Declines aren't usually linear. It's probably more likely that he improves quite a bit on last year. The swing is odd, and definitely needs an explanation. It seemed to me that he was throwing a little harder towards the end of last year though, which suggests to me it probably isn't the shoulder.

 

There is random noise around the decline. A good guess is that Jose is halfway between 2015 and 2016

[RealAccountant]

good chance Jose is worse in 2017 than 2016's 1.4 WAR.... at the age where a significant drop off can occur.... he is not swinging the bat with the same power/authority (permanent shoulder damage?) and is a major liability in the field

 

said it earlier, at this stage of his career, Jose is not hard to replace

 

the pick has more value

 

Lol what a horrible post

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Bautista's agent was quoted as saying Jose would be willing to "play anywhere (referring to position) and hit anywhere if it helps the team win". In theory he could possibly help fill at least two or more voids in this roster as a multi position guy.

 

Again that's in theory, because it's obviously contingent on him being able to successfully transition between two positions, and play effective 1B.

 

If we lose Edwin, add an every day RF (will use Fowler's name for this exercise) and bring back Bautista, we could distribute starts in roughly the following manner, barring injuries of course:

 

DH - Morales 110, Bautista 15, Other 37 (off days for Martin, Tulo, Donaldson etc)

 

C - Martin 130, Backup 32

 

1B - Bautista 65, Smoak 57, Morales 40 (Bautista vs LHP, Smoak vs RHP with Morales taking a bunch of starts from Smoak).

 

2B - Travis 145, Barney 17

 

SS - Tulo 150, Barney 12

 

3B - Donaldson 150, Barney 12

 

LF - Bautista 70, Upton 65, Carerra 27 (Upton vs LHP, Bautista taking the majority of RHP with some going to Carerra - also can take out Bautista for late inning defense).

 

CF - Pillar 150, Upton 7, Carerra 5

 

RF - Fowler 150, Carerra 12

 

vs RHP

RF Fowler

LF/1B/DH Bautista

3B Donaldson

DH/1B Morales

SS Tulowitzki

2B Travis

C Martin

1B Smoak/LF Carerra

CF Pillar

 

Vs LHP

RF Fowler

1B/LF/DH Bautista

3B Donaldson

DH Morales

SS Tulowitzki

C Martin

LF Upton

CF Pillar

 

Life is Just a Fantasy ... Can you Live a Fantasy Life!!! ( lod theme song) But here in the Real World ( BJMB)

 

We say " No way Jose" and laugh at the your Fantasy world exercise in non factual things that you believe to be fact and true!

[baseballsss]

Life is Just a Fantasy ... Can you Live a Fantasy Life!!! ( lod theme song) But here in the Real World ( BJMB)

 

We say " No way Jose" and laugh at the your Fantasy world exercise in non factual things that you believe to be fact and true!

 

lol this is coming from the guy that comes up with terrible trade ideas.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

lol this is coming from the guy that comes up with terrible trade ideas.

 

Yup and no trade idea is bad, those who never try or take a shot never score either!

 

Ps any plan that hinges on Travis playing 145 games, and Tulo and Batz appearing in 150 games is rather crazy or hard to believe!

 

Heck we don't even know if the injuries to Donalson and Pillar are healing and if they can be expected to play 150 games. Character says maybe they do!

[Pendleton]

Life is Just a Fantasy ... Can you Live a Fantasy Life!!! ( lod theme song) But here in the Real World ( BJMB)

 

We say " No way Jose" and laugh at the your Fantasy world exercise in non factual things that you believe to be fact and true!

Honestly I do find you to be humorous, but you should stick to being a novelty rather than trying to analyze baseball or anyone's opinions on the matter.

 

Also while I have you here - if you're going to continue rambling on about about your beer league baseball heroics and repeatedly bringing up the LoD for whatever reason (obviously jealously but nonetheless), you should really stop complaining about others being off topic. The majority of your posts are about as useless as useless can be.

 

Also if you actually took the time to read my post, it's pretty clear I was theorizing and not actually suggesting the idea as a strong possibility.

[baseballsss]

Yup and no trade idea is bad, those who never try or take a shot never score either!

 

Ps any plan that hinges on Travis playing 145 games, and Tulo and Batz appearing in 150 games is rather crazy or hard to believe!

 

Heck we don't even know if the injuries to Donalson and Pillar are healing and if they can be expected to play 150 games. Character says maybe they do!

 

Yes there are bad trade ideas. Go back and read all of yours.

[Pendleton]

Yup and no trade idea is bad, those who never try or take a shot never score either!

 

Ps any plan that hinges on Travis playing 145 games, and Tulo and Batz appearing in 150 games is rather crazy or hard to believe!

 

Heck we don't even know if the injuries to Donalson and Pillar are healing and if they can be expected to play 150 games. Character says maybe they do!

 

I stated that it was all barring injuries, that should go without saying. Read the posts you're responding to, could save yourself some time.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Honestly I do find you to be humorous, but you should stick to being a novelty rather than trying to analyze baseball or anyone's opinions on the matter.

 

Also while I have you here - if you're going to continue rambling on about about your beer league baseball heroics and repeatedly bringing up the LoD for whatever reason (obviously jealously but nonetheless), you should really stop complaining about others being off topic. The majority of your posts are about as useless as useless can be.

 

Also if you actually took the time to read my post, it's pretty clear I was theorizing and not actually suggesting the idea as a strong possibility.

 

Nice try Buttercup! Go back to your Fanstasy side of the forum! Your big word description to try and make your ******** theory sound like the truth is no more factual then what most others post or say on here and your opinion means no more then any other expressed here! Get over yourself Lil buddy!

[Pendleton]

Nice try Buttercup! Go back to your Fanstasy side of the forum! Your big word description to try and make your ******** theory sound like the truth is no more factual then what most others post or say on here and your opinion means no more then any other expressed here! Get over yourself Lil buddy!

 

Haha apparently those big words like "theory" really escape your grasp.

 

Once again I encourage you to actually read what I've posted. I didn't say the idea was likely, I didn't say it was ideal. I said that in theory, Bautista could fill two of our current platoon holes. I even pointed out the variables that would prevent him from doing so.

[polar bear]

Lol what a horrible post

 

Must agree with Jimcanuck here.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Yes there are bad trade ideas. Go back and read all of yours.

 

And where are yours, let's hold them all up to the light and judge them too!

 

No of us here is a real GM and none of us has that power, so no harm, no foul!

 

Some of you really need to get the f*** over yourself!

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Haha apparently those big words like "theory" really escape your grasp.

 

Once again I encourage you to actually read what I've posted. I didn't say the idea was likely, I didn't say it was ideal. I said that in theory, Bautista could fill two of our current platoon holes. I even pointed out the variables that would prevent him from doing so.

 

Most things written here are the theory there Leroy ! Most is speculation and factual. This whole thread and several others on the main forum are based on that. But you thinking yours are more valued or correct then others and there opinion on things here is what the issue is! Maybe it is you who in fact Drinks more then me!

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Haha apparently those big words like "theory" really escape your grasp.

 

Once again I encourage you to actually read what I've posted. I didn't say the idea was likely, I didn't say it was ideal. I said that in theory, Bautista could fill two of our current platoon holes. I even pointed out the variables that would prevent him from doing so.

 

No couldn't see it past your Big Ego! Do you own a Jacked up 4x4 ?

[Pendleton]

Most things written here are the theory there Leroy ! Most is speculation and factual. This whole thread and several others on the main forum are based on that. But you thinking yours are more valued or correct then others and there opinion on things here is what the issue is! Maybe it is you who in fact Drinks more then me!

 

I've never claimed to be one of this forum's most knowledgeable posters, but I don't need to be to know my baseball knowledge far outweighs yours. You're in no place to be picking apart anyone's ideas - just stick to being the funny old alcoholic.

 

Haha remember when you suggested that we trade Goins and Tepera for a good reliever, and then threw a hissy fit and got banned when I tried to inform you that those two have no value? You should drop this before we wind up there again.

[baseballsss]

Can one of the mods please answer this:

 

How is it that Realaccount gets banned for saying how much he loves AA and Spanky routinely gets banned for saying a couple sentences of drunk s***.

 

BBBB literally highjacks threads with absolutely nothing to contribute then goes off on people on how big their egos are(wtf) and doesn't contribute anything to the topic and doesn't get banned?

[HERPDERP]

because BBBB is bouncey and adorable and how can you hate someone like that? He is not ill intentioned, hes just cluelessly lovable.

[Governator]

Life is Just a Fantasy ... Can you Live a Fantasy Life!!! ( lod theme song) But here in the Real World ( BJMB)

 

We say " No way Jose" and laugh at the your Fantasy world exercise in non factual things that you believe to be fact and true!

 

 

BBBB... this right here man is where your issues begin.

 

Pendleton put a well thought out post together and for whatever reason your first instinct is to laugh at it and be critical, telling him to "Go back to your Fanstasy side of the forum!" and later "Some of you really need to get the f*** over yourself!". There wasn't anything even in his post that included advanced stats which you seem to take issues with, it was literally just counting games in a hypothetical scenario. When someone makes a remark about one of your posts, you go off on a 10 post rant that nobody enjoys. I shouldn't have to give 'time outs' to adults, I know you don't always mean it but really, just stop being a s*** disturber.

 

This one line you eventually posted (to a different user) is all you had to say if you felt the need to comment on it: "Ps any plan that hinges on Travis playing 145 games, and Tulo and Batz appearing in 150 games is rather crazy or hard to believe!".

 

You really just need to take a few minutes and think before you post because you have some good thoughts deep in there and when you combine it with your humour!!! LOL - that's the guy we like.

 

We good?

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Can one of the mods please answer this:

 

How is it that Realaccount gets banned for saying how much he loves AA and Spanky routinely gets banned for saying a couple sentences of drunk s***.

 

BBBB literally highjacks threads with absolutely nothing to contribute then goes off on people on how big their egos are(wtf) and doesn't contribute anything to the topic and doesn't get banned?

 

This actually not factual or True nore correct!!! Thank you have a nice day!

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

I've never claimed to be one of this forum's most knowledgeable posters, but I don't need to be to know my baseball knowledge far outweighs yours. You're in no place to be picking apart anyone's ideas - just stick to being the funny old alcoholic.

 

Haha remember when you suggested that we trade Goins and Tepera for a good reliever, and then threw a hissy fit and got banned when I tried to inform you that those two have no value? You should drop this before we wind up there again.

 

First off punk, bet you drink more then I do !!! Without Fact your claims are based on fiction as well too!

 

Yup and I am older, but you may never reach my age being you!

 

And no I don't recall that one in that context either as you put it!!!

 

We got banned ? I did maybe!!!

 

Care to show your proof or all that happened that time and what led to it!

Until then it's hear say!

 

Plus any theory that starts with several players playing 145-150 next year when most of them have struggled to do so in recent past seasons ( Stats) it's probability of happening is what I took issue with. As input equals or have falsified the output and of it happening ( real world)

 

You can do it, so can I !!! Turn about is Fair play!!!

 

Have a Nice Day and Chillax Brother, lol

[Pendleton]

First off punk, bet you drink more then I do !!! Without Fact your claims are based on fiction as well too!

 

Yup and I am older, but you may never reach my age being you!

 

And no I don't recall that one in that context either as you put it!!!

 

We got banned ? I did maybe!!!

 

Care to show your proof or all that happened that time and what led to it!

Until then it's hear say!

 

Plus any theory starts with several players playing 145-150 next year when most of them have struggled to do so in recent past seasons ( Stats) it's probability of happening is what I took issue with. As input equals or have falsified the output and of it happening ( real world)

 

You can do it, so can I !!! Turn about is Fair play!!!

 

Have a Nice Day and Chillax Brother, lol

 

For the third time, I clearly stated that those numbers were barring injuries, read you what you are responding to.

 

If you don't want people to think of you as an alcoholic, don't post about rum on a daily basis.

 

You're entirely hypocritical - in one thread you're calling people out for being off topic, in another you're rambling on about beer league soft ball. When you post an idea you lose your s*** if people critique it, yet here you are s***ing on my suggestion, over an issue that I already addressed. If you can't even remember what led to you getting banned before that probably says a lot.

[BTS]

Is there a thread in the top-10 on this page that isn't currently being hijacked by BBBB's idiocy?

[jays_fever]

I'm not sure even sure how someone can even understand what he rambles on about, never mind try to break it down and respond to it

[Boxcar]

Can someone make this idiot shut the f*** up? Holy Christ.

 

I'm not bothered by morons posting here but when one of them just hijacks every thread while challenging people who complain to fist fights...I mean, how do some people enjoy having this guy around? Inconceivable.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Is there a thread in the top-10 on this page that isn't currently being hijacked by BBBB's idiocy?

 

There's two involved but your league of dicks brain can't see that, interesting!

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Can someone make this idiot shut the f*** up? Holy Christ.

 

I'm not bothered by morons posting here but when one of them just hijacks every thread while challenging people who complain to fist fights...I mean, how do some people enjoy having this guy around? Inconceivable.

 

Boxy and what is it you do, attacking others is a thing too! Will you except your ban as well ? Your Grant hate and posting should be enough to earn a time out as well?