Offseason Roster Thread 2016-17

[Abomination]

Stroman for Dahl pls.

 

We really, REALLY need to keep Stroman and Sanchez. Beyond this coming year, the starting pitching is a problem. Guys on the farm probably won't be ready yet, and if we move Stroman or Sanchez, we'd have to replace 3 starting pitchers through trade or free agency. That's not a good place to be in.

[Brownie19]

We really, REALLY need to keep Stroman and Sanchez. Beyond this coming year, the starting pitching is a problem. Guys on the farm probably won't be ready yet, and if we move Stroman or Sanchez, we'd have to replace 3 starting pitchers through trade or free agency. That's not a good place to be in.

 

Our OF is just as bad and there's no help in sight.

 

We should have snagged Ivan Nova when we had the chance.

[Terminator]

Why is everyone on Dahl's nuts? Am I missing something?

[BTS]

We really, REALLY need to keep Stroman and Sanchez. Beyond this coming year, the starting pitching is a problem. Guys on the farm probably won't be ready yet, and if we move Stroman or Sanchez, we'd have to replace 3 starting pitchers through trade or free agency. That's not a good place to be in.

 

But the OF now is as bad as the rotation might be in a year with no Stroman.

[baubau]

Why is everyone on Dahl's nuts? Am I missing something?

 

I too was confused at first, then I saw it was HERPDERP who posted then went to safely ignore the opinion.

[Brownie19]

meh - 5 tool prospect, top 10 overall pick, entering his 23 year old season.

 

.963 OPS and a wRC+ around 145 in AA/AAA last year.

 

It's not like there's nothing to like.

[HERPDERP]

Why is everyone on Dahl's nuts? Am I missing something?

 

what is not to like about a CF that can hit HR and steal bases and play above average CF?

 

At best he can become Ellsbury.

 

At worst he's another Peter Bourjos

[King]

meh - 5 tool prospect, top 10 overall pick, entering his 23 year old season.

 

.963 OPS and a wRC+ around 145 in AA/AAA last year.

 

It's not like there's nothing to like.

 

Guy had a 273 wRC+ in AAA

[Brownie19]

Guy had a 273 wRC+ in AAA

 

in 68 PA's. wRC+ of 140 in 332 in AA - I settled on about 145 combined

 

 

His walk rate spiked last year. He needs to continue that trend and control his K%, but the kid has a bright future. No idea if he's worth Stro straight up, but he's the type of OFer I'd like to get if we're moving Stro....a building block with tons of control. Conforto fits the bill as well.

[Terminator]

The projections don't really like him, he's basically replacement level next season. His minor league numbers are fine but they don't really jump off the page. He was always kind of at best a Top 40ish prospect or so which is fine but it's not like he's some blueblood.

 

Last year he had a solid year in 220 AB's but he still only put up a 111 wRC+. That's pretty good I suppose for a 22 year old. I don't know he seems solid but nothing special. Am I wrong?

[Nafro]

Definitely great news for team Canada if we have Freeman at first for the WBC!

[P2F]

Did Taillon already opt out of the WBC?

[L54]

Dahl is sexxxy, but let's leave him in Coors so he can be a fantasy monster.

[guylaroche5]

Would Stroman for Dahl straight up work? I'm not sure who would have to kick in more as Stroman has ML experience but he's heading into arbitration where as Dahl will be dirt cheap for a while

[Terminator]

What do you guys think of Steamer projecting Dahl to be a replacement level player next season?

[guylaroche5]

What do you guys think of Steamer projecting Dahl to be a replacement level player next season?

 

Isn't that because he has no prior MLB experience so steamer just assumes the worst? I feel like all rookies are treated this way except super prospects like Bryant although for all I know his first year projections could have been close to replacement level.

[HERPDERP]

is steamer even reliable when it comes to players with little track record in the majors? There's probably so much noise in his 2016 numbers

[Abomination]

But the OF now is as bad as the rotation might be in a year with no Stroman.

 

True, but there's guys available like Moss who could be signed at a likely discount for the outfield (not to mention Bautista still) and produce adequately. Outside of Tyson Ross (who's a bit of an injury risk himself), the other remaining starting pitchers are either puke inducing or made of expensive glass.

[Brownie19]

True, but there's guys available like Moss who could be signed at a likely discount for the outfield (not to mention Bautista still) and produce adequately. Outside of Tyson Ross (who's a bit of an injury risk himself), the other remaining starting pitchers are either puke inducing or made of expensive glass.

 

You could probably get Jason Hammel for like 1 year $8M right now. He's projected to provide 1.3 WAR more than Moss is...

[Abomination]

You could probably get Jason Hammel for like 1 year $8M right now. He's projected to provide 1.3 WAR more than Moss is...

 

I forgot about Hammel, he could be passable too. As for Moss, I think the projections are for him playing 1B where the defensive metrics don't like him. In the outfield he's average to maybe slightly above average. Changing that, and the projected WAR is probably about the same as Hammel.

[Orgfiller]

True, but there's guys available like Moss who could be signed at a likely discount for the outfield (not to mention Bautista still) and produce adequately. Outside of Tyson Ross (who's a bit of an injury risk himself), the other remaining starting pitchers are either puke inducing or made of expensive glass.

 

"a bit"

[Nafro]

Did Taillon already opt out of the WBC?

 

I can't answer that, I just saw the note about Freeman likely playing for Canada in the Rotoworld feed.

[BTS]

Apparently the Mariners were willing to give Seth Smith away to anyone who wanted to pay him, before settling on Gallardo when nobody would take Smith on. I have a hard time believing that Toronto has 30M in payroll space if they couldn't find 7M for Smith.

[Terminator]

Apparently the Mariners were willing to give Seth Smith away to anyone who wanted to pay him, before settling on Gallardo when nobody would take Smith on. I have a hard time believing that Toronto has 30M in payroll space if they couldn't find 7M for Smith.

 

Yeah this whole offseason just screams payroll constraints to me.

[Abomination]

Apparently the Mariners were willing to give Seth Smith away to anyone who wanted to pay him, before settling on Gallardo when nobody would take Smith on. I have a hard time believing that Toronto has 30M in payroll space if they couldn't find 7M for Smith.

 

To be fair, apparently no one else wanted to pay Smith 7M either. There's probably something in the underlying medicals, etc that we don't know about.

[Terminator]

To be fair, apparently no one else wanted to pay Smith 7M either. There's probably something in the underlying medicals, etc that we don't know about.

 

True but other teams don't have 0 WAR projected for their corner outfield either.

[Abomination]

True but other teams don't have 0 WAR projected for their corner outfield either.

 

There's 3 or 4 teams with less projected from both their corner outfielders than us, and more with poor projections in one of the two spots. There's plenty of need, and no one bit. There's more to it, has to be.

[Terminator]

Why would you take Smith now when you still have a few months to trade from someone better? Once you acquire Smith, you have to play him and you can probably do better in the trade market. And if you can't, it's such a small opportunity cost to miss out on Smith. He's probably 1 WAR next year.

 

We aren't running out of time but we are running out of options. The Free Agent market is pretty pathetic at this point and I don't know who is on the trade market but it's tough because we don't have depth to trade at any position right now. I imagine whenever we approach teams about trades for OFers they inquire on one of our starters. But we only have 5 with little to no depth and next year we only have 3.

 

We need two OFers and offense. Smith isn't a great OFer anymore but he can still hit. He bats lefty which also works well for us. He's got a reasonable contract and it wouldn't preclude us from acquiring another OF as we need two.

[Angrioter]

Ian Hunter ‏

An update to the Jays rumours: Stephen Brunt tells @timandsid "by this time next week, something will have happened"

 

According to Stephen Brunt, "something's cooking" on the Blue Jays front. And talk of the asking price on McCutchen.

 

Brunt when asked whether these developments could be Bautista-related or other - "I would say other".

[LGBJ29]

so Jay Bruce is a blue jay by this time next week