Offseason Roster Thread 2016-17

[wk680]

http://www.rosterresource.com/mlb-toronto-blue-jays/

 

That's an interesting resource and helpful with all the info on one page.

 

BUT some of their projections/predictions are ridiculous. For example a bench of Thole, Colabello, Goins and Barney. Don't they realize Thole is junk and was only kept to catch the knuckleball. Should be Jimenez in that spot (until/unless they acquire a new backup). Also Colabello as backup OF/IF!? Surely from the current candidates, Pompey or Ceciliani are much more likely, especially since both Goins and Barney (along with Morales) can play 1st. Also, predicting a bullpen with Loup as the only LHP and including Bolsinger. The latter represents the Jays best SP depth piece at the moment (had 21 starts with 3.62 ERA and 102 ERA+ in 2015). Try Girodo or Dermody as a second LHP.

 

Finally, the payroll prediction of $138M is pretty weak. That would only match 2016 opening day, and I can't imagine it not hitting closer to $150M this year (hoping for $170-180, including several more acquisitions with short term financial commitments).

[Spanky99]

That's an interesting resource and helpful with all the info on one page.

 

BUT some of their projections/predictions are ridiculous. For example a bench of Thole, Colabello, Goins and Barney. Don't they realize Thole is junk and was only kept to catch the knuckleball. Should be Jimenez in that spot (until/unless they acquire a new backup). Also Colabello as backup OF/IF!? Surely from the current candidates, Pompey or Ceciliani are much more likely, especially since both Goins and Barney (along with Morales) can play 1st. Also, predicting a bullpen with Loup as the only LHP and including Bolsinger. The latter represents the Jays best SP depth piece at the moment (had 21 starts with 3.62 ERA and 102 ERA+ in 2015). Try Girodo or Dermody as a second LHP.

 

Finally, the payroll prediction of $138M is pretty weak. That would only match 2016 opening day, and I can't imagine it not hitting closer to $150M this year (hoping for $170-180, including several more acquisitions with short term financial commitments).

 

Those aren't projections/predictions, bro. It's just the Jays current team and salary(from 2016 as you noted). They just update roster's as they go, nothing more. They'll slide players in/out of positions as the off-season rolls along. If you see something wrong with their info... they'll gladly listen.

[wk680]

Those aren't projections/predictions, bro. It's just the Jays current team and salary(from 2016 as you noted). They just update roster's as they go, nothing more. They'll slide players in/out of positions as the off-season rolls along. If you see something wrong with their info... they'll gladly listen.

 

Not to get into an argument, but it is indeed projections. It says in all Caps "Projected 25 man roster (2017)" and under payroll "2017 projection". On the roster side of it, I am fully aware they are only working on the players currently under team control. And this being less than a month into the off-season, that is likely to change substantially. But even a little bit of research would tell them Thole has only been kept around as the knuckleball catcher and having just added Jimenez to the 40 man roster, why not slot him in there. And Colabello, seriously? The guy is a disaster in the OF and was awful at the plate (albeit limited PA) at AAA in 2016.

[Spanky99]

Not to get into an argument, but it is indeed projections. It says in all Caps "Projected 25 man roster (2017)" and under payroll "2017 projection". On the roster side of it, I am fully aware they are only working on the players currently under team control. And this being less than a month into the off-season, that is likely to change substantially. But even a little bit of research would tell them Thole has only been kept around as the knuckleball catcher and having just added Jimenez to the 40 man roster, why not slot him in there. And Colabello, seriously? The guy is a disaster in the OF and was awful at the plate (albeit limited PA) at AAA in 2016.

 

Fair enough, you could let them know, if you so choose. When I first saw it I had a good chuckle, if you look at other MLB rosters they're similarly lacking any insight. I use it for options, MILB depth, 40-man, etc...

 

Edit: As for the bolded, I hadn't noticed they changed that to 17', plus yeah, projections my ass, that's just lazy.

[KingKat]

Not to get into an argument, but it is indeed projections. It says in all Caps "Projected 25 man roster (2017)" and under payroll "2017 projection". On the roster side of it, I am fully aware they are only working on the players currently under team control. And this being less than a month into the off-season, that is likely to change substantially. But even a little bit of research would tell them Thole has only been kept around as the knuckleball catcher and having just added Jimenez to the 40 man roster, why not slot him in there. And Colabello, seriously? The guy is a disaster in the OF and was awful at the plate (albeit limited PA) at AAA in 2016.

 

The Projected Roster thing is a bit confusing. They are just assigning where currently controlled players would fit. They aren't making any guesses as to who will be let go, who will be acquired, etc. Josh Thole will be there because he's still under team control. They're are not taking him off the roster until the Jays do. That's just how this resource works.

[GD]

So we have two positional holes, two RPs, and ~$32m to spend? That's enough room for like Reddick, Pearce, and idk, Hoch/Blanton/Blevins/Smith/Ramirez/Henderson choose 2?

 

Also: s***** process but good idea as to why Corbin might be a good target out of the pen

 

http://toronto.locals.baseballprospectus.com/2016/11/10/patrick-corbin-potential-andrew-miller-clone-and-blue-jays-target/?utm_content=buffer405dc&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

[Jonn]

Bruce and Rasmus. I thought I was done vomiting. Please just sign Reddick. 3 years 40M.

[Abomination]

So we have two positional holes, two RPs, and ~$32m to spend? That's enough room for like Reddick, Pearce, and idk, Hoch/Blanton/Blevins/Smith/Ramirez/Henderson choose 2?

 

Also: s***** process but good idea as to why Corbin might be a good target out of the pen

 

http://toronto.locals.baseballprospectus.com/2016/11/10/patrick-corbin-potential-andrew-miller-clone-and-blue-jays-target/?utm_content=buffer405dc&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

 

I kind of feel we shouldn't worry too much about the relief staff. Nab some cheap wildcards and see if one or two work out. The cost this offseason for relievers is probably going to be higher than the value teams will receive, as it seems to be kind of the new "in" thing. I think we should be targeting most of the cash for the offense.

[jays_fever]

So we have two positional holes, two RPs, and ~$32m to spend? That's enough room for like Reddick, Pearce, and idk, Hoch/Blanton/Blevins/Smith/Ramirez/Henderson choose 2?

 

Also: s***** process but good idea as to why Corbin might be a good target out of the pen

 

http://toronto.locals.baseballprospectus.com/2016/11/10/patrick-corbin-potential-andrew-miller-clone-and-blue-jays-target/?utm_content=buffer405dc&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

 

Pearce, Reddick and two solid relievers can probably put this team into the 85-86 win range. That would be a good number to at least strive for wild card contention

[GD]

Pearce, Reddick and two solid relievers can probably put this team into the 85-86 win range. That would be a good number to at least strive for wild card contention

 

The team probably wouldn't be significantly worse than last year's, if at all.

[wk680]

The Projected Roster thing is a bit confusing. They are just assigning where currently controlled players would fit. They aren't making any guesses as to who will be let go, who will be acquired, etc. Josh Thole will be there because he's still under team control. They're are not taking him off the roster until the Jays do. That's just how this resource works.

 

Yes and the deadline for tendering offers to Arb eligible players is not until Dec 2nd. Thole's 2016 wRC+ of only 29 (136 PA) and fWAR of -0.5, suggest he should go non-tendered.

[wk680]

Bruce and Rasmus. I thought I was done vomiting. Please just sign Reddick. 3 years 40M.

 

That would seem a very good move, considering his projected performance for 2017.

 

The only thing is his weak hitting against LHP and, as stated by MLBtraderumors: "Plus, his defense has fallen from Gold Glove caliber to below average in right field." But, I guess it is projected by Steamer to be superior to not only Bruce and Bautista, but also Cargo, who was a 2016 Glove Glove finalist. So still an upgrade

[RealAccountant]

Signing Blanton and Cecil would be a great way to spend 16 mil on the 2016 Budget. If we keep Biagini in the pen, we may have something that we can compete with.

[jays_fever]

The team probably wouldn't be significantly worse than last year's, if at all.

 

Probably. The bullpen did cost them a lot more games than it should have last year as well early on. Can't really see that repeating with Grili coming back

[MusicaEsLivida]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/11/cafardos-latest-cba-bosox-bautista-votto-tigers-yanks-hoyer.html

 

This would almost complete this line up. I would have no trouble trying to use our young OF prospects and not spend money on a OFer if Votto comes here.

 

1b - Votto / smoak

2b - travis

SS - Tulo

3B - Donaldson

OF - Pillar / Upton / Carrera / Pompey / Alford

C - Martin / ????

DH - Morales

 

nice batting order ( projected HRs )

 

Travis (15)

Donaldson (35)

Votto (35)

Morales (30)

Tulo (20)

Martin (20)

Upton (15)

Pillar (5)

Pompey (5)

[RealAccountant]

My favourite part of the post

 

1B Votto/Smoak

 

 

 

 

 

 

Votto/Smoak

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Votto/Smoak

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Votto/Smoak

 

 

 

 

 

 

Gotta go, Computer has cancer now.

[Stangstag]

Literally from the link you posted:

 

Reds first baseman Joey Votto could waive his no-trade clause if his hometown team – the Blue Jays – attempts to acquire him, Cafardo suggests, but he adds that a deal is unlikely. Bob Nightengale of USA Today reported earlier this week that the Reds have “no intention” of trading Votto, who is owed $179MM over the next seven seasons.“We’ve traded away a lot of players we’ve drafted and developed. He’s one of the few that remains,” said GM Dick Williams. “There’s a sentimental connection with fans no doubt. But it doesn’t have anything to do with attendance and draw. It’s about performance. He delivers.”

 

 

This post was not thread-worthy

[TheHurl]

You really think he's willing to play for the Royal York Cardinals again?

 

Sorry just had to get that bad joke in before I deleted the thread ("smoke" was enough on it's own)

[Candy Maldonado]

I have never made a thread on this forum

[jays4life19]

I just thanked a post from Robert.

[Stangstag]

I just thanked a post from Robert.

 

I can't believe you've done this

[King]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/omgwtf.gif

[Stangstag]

The team probably wouldn't be significantly worse than last year's, if at all.

 

Realistically, we just have to hope for no major injuries and we should be able to make the playoffs again. Or at least be competitive into september.

[MusicaEsLivida]

Literally from the link you posted:

 

Reds first baseman Joey Votto could waive his no-trade clause if his hometown team – the Blue Jays – attempts to acquire him, Cafardo suggests, but he adds that a deal is unlikely. Bob Nightengale of USA Today reported earlier this week that the Reds have “no intention” of trading Votto, who is owed $179MM over the next seven seasons.“We’ve traded away a lot of players we’ve drafted and developed. He’s one of the few that remains,” said GM Dick Williams. “There’s a sentimental connection with fans no doubt. But it doesn’t have anything to do with attendance and draw. It’s about performance. He delivers.”

 

 

This post was not thread-worthy

 

yet MVPs thread about SIGNING REDDICK instead of trading for BRUCE is?

 

I am relaying an actual article about a Votto willingness to waive his no trade. This now opens up the door for the Jays to approach them.

 

Did anyone see Donaldson trade coming? I bet A's fans didn't see that coming. But the offer was attractive enough so the trade was done. How about Tulo, those fans were totally surprised at that one.

 

HOW ABOUT THIS. stop judging that any post not done by one of your regulars is not worthy. Not your job to determine ion my post is worthy. let others read it.

[Abomination]

yet MVPs thread about SIGNING REDDICK instead of trading for BRUCE is?

 

I am relaying an actual article about a Votto willingness to waive his no trade. This now opens up the door for the Jays to approach them.

 

Did anyone see Donaldson trade coming? I bet A's fans didn't see that coming. But the offer was attractive enough so the trade was done. How about Tulo, those fans were totally surprised at that one.

 

HOW ABOUT THIS. stop judging that any post not done by one of your regulars is not worthy. Not your job to determine ion my post is worthy. let others read it.

 

What you linked is just someone making guesses. Neither the writeup or the article even suggest any sources or anything else to indicate anything of substance to support it.

[BTS]

The Projected Roster thing is a bit confusing. They are just assigning where currently controlled players would fit. They aren't making any guesses as to who will be let go, who will be acquired, etc. Josh Thole will be there because he's still under team control. They're are not taking him off the roster until the Jays do. That's just how this resource works.

 

Thole is a free agent now. He had no years of team control remaining.

[Grant77]

Thole is a free agent now. He had no years of team control remaining.

 

What a shame

[Ehjays]

Thole is a free agent now. He had no years of team control remaining.

 

Instead of paying EE 125 mil over 5 years why not give that cash to Thole ........LOL

 

f*** I'm glad he's gone

[GD]

You really think he's willing to play for the Royal York Cardinals again?

 

They're pretty stacked rn

[BTS]

He has another year of control left: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/tholejo01.shtml

 

http://m.bluejays.mlb.com/tor/roster/transactions/

 

Why would the team site have him electing free agency on November 3rd? They wouldn't have made a non-tender decision yet.