Jays vs. Indians ALCS Discussion

[G-Snarls]

I'm not expecting a good start from Bauer.

 

Me neither

 

Please get to him early

[LGBJ29]

Bauer is hit or miss, will get rattled giving up a hr to lead off batter

 

He gave up a couple hr to Boston I think his first start and got pulled early with the lead though

 

Lol probably not gonna happen with Zeke

[burlingtonbandit]

Why do you guys feel so confident about this game?

 

Stroman gives up a s*** ton of runners so we're going to be seeing a lot of stolen base opportunities and 1st-to-3rds

 

Bauer can be nearly unhittable and you can bet he'll be throwing lots of offspeed.

 

This game feels more like game 1. I felt a lot better with game 2 and look what happened - we couldn't adjust at all to the Indians gameplan of offspeed pitches

 

Stroman doesn't give up many baserunners.. He barely walks anyone.

[Dr. Dinger]

I feel like Bauer would be on the DL if this was the regular season. Ten stitches is no joke.

 

Ten stitches in one pinky finger is a hell of a lot. He must have gashed it along it's whole length. You can pretty much rule out the changeup for tonight.

[G-Snarls]

Gotta say the pitching matchup for games 3 and 4 are very much in our favor

 

Pretty much have to win both games and they CAN do it

[LGBJ29]

Why do you guys feel so confident about this game?

 

Stroman gives up a s*** ton of runners so we're going to be seeing a lot of stolen base opportunities and 1st-to-3rds

 

Bauer can be nearly unhittable and you can bet he'll be throwing lots of offspeed.

 

This game feels more like game 1. I felt a lot better with game 2 and look what happened - we couldn't adjust at all to the Indians gameplan of offspeed pitches

 

These guys have played pretty well with their backs against the wall. Coming home in front of this crowd you'd think would energize them a bit. I think most people are trying to be confident in this game knowing full well with a loss this season is basically over

[flafson]

Gotta say the pitching matchup for games 3 and 4 are very much in our favor

 

Pretty much have to win both games and they CAN do it

 

I thought the pitching matchup for the first 2 games were also in our favor, didn't go so well...

[ValiantJaysFan]

Bautista needs to shut his big mouth. I'm so glad he won't be a Blue Jay next year...he is so embarrassing to have to defend sometimes.

 

EDIT: Context - http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/gotta-hear-bautista-blue-jays-dealing-circumstances/

[burlingtonbandit]

Bautista needs to shut his big mouth. I'm so glad he won't be a Blue Jay next year...he is so embarrassing to have to defend sometimes.

 

great fan you are...

[ValiantJaysFan]

great fan you are...

 

Bautista has a big mouth that says stupid and in this case unfounded things, and this makes me a bad fan.

 

Great logic.

[SAAviour]

It's gonna feel like those stitches are trying to tear open with every pitch, if a blister can cause problems I imagine stitches would be a bitch to pitch with.

[LGBJ29]

It's gonna feel like those stitches are trying to tear open with every pitch, if a blister can cause problems I imagine stitches would be a bitch to pitch with.

 

It's not really the same case as a blister at all though. Blister's normally appear on the index or middle finger due to friction. Likely only his changeup where his pinky would ever touch the ball so it's not going to create any friction. He's already been throwing since the incident with no limitations so i dont think its going to be an issue for him really.

[Dick_Pole]

I think people are overestimating Bauer's injury. Do you really think they would have him starting a playoff game if it was that serious. Worst case scenario for Cleveland is that he pitches 3 innings and Miller goes the other 6....which is actually the best case scenario for them.

[KingKat]

I thought the pitching matchup for the first 2 games were also in our favor, didn't go so well...

 

No one thought the matchup in the first game was favourable though there was certainly a hope that a strong Estrada start would negate the Kluber advantage. He certainly pitched a hell of a game but there was no margin for error.

[HERPDERP]

Bautista has a big mouth that says stupid and in this case unfounded things, and this makes me a bad fan.

 

Great logic.

 

Maybe he's just very salty that he knows he won't be getting that $150 million

[Governator]

No one thought the matchup in the first game was favourable though there was certainly a hope that a strong Estrada start would negate the Kluber advantage. He certainly pitched a hell of a game but there was no margin for error.

 

 

Yea I don't think anyone had the pitching advantage in game 1, except perhaps a well rested Indians bullpen. Kluber was beatable early on but we let him off the hook. It was just one of those games we couldn't capitalize on which we've become quite accustom to this season.

[OsunaMatata]

I was down in Cleveland for the first two ALCS games. It was tough to watch. I just kept sitting there thinking "this is the inning we breakout". It never happened. Really some bad strikeouts, the worst being Jose. We gotta get a run when we have a man on third base and 1 out. That first inning in the 1st game set the tone unfortunately.

 

Biggest thing for the rest of the series is obviously score runs but also GET THE LEAD BEFORE MILLER COMES IN. That guy is lights out with his fastball and then comes back with the devastating slider. Wish we had him.

 

So many excuses being given why we didn't hit.... umpires, lights... whatever. Cleveland has good pitchers and we have to try to get to them and early before Miller comes in. They didn't score many runs either but no team is going to win any games scoring 1 run over 18 innings.

 

Hoping for a different result tonight. Tonight is a MUST WIN.

[G-Snarls]

Article on Cleveland getting more strikes called and Bautista's complaints:

 

http://www.espn.com/blog/buster-olney/insider/post?id=14701&ex_cid=InsiderTwitter_olney_indiansdeservecreditcontrollingstrikezone

[HERPDERP]

I was down in Cleveland for the first two ALCS games. It was tough to watch. I just kept sitting there thinking "this is the inning we breakout". It never happened. Really some bad strikeouts, the worst being Jose. We gotta get a run when we have a man on third base and 1 out. That first inning in the 1st game set the tone unfortunately.

 

Biggest thing for the rest of the series is obviously score runs but also GET THE LEAD BEFORE MILLER COMES IN. That guy is lights out with his fastball and then comes back with the devastating slider. Wish we had him.

 

So many excuses being given why we didn't hit.... umpires, lights... whatever. Cleveland has good pitchers and we have to try to get to them and early before Miller comes in. They didn't score many runs either but no team is going to win any games scoring 1 run over 18 innings.

 

Hoping for a different result tonight. Tonight is a MUST WIN.

 

the Kluber game was frustrating. They had something like 2 runners on for each inning up until the 4th.

[fatcowxlive]

 

 

This is just embarrassing for us now!

[BTS]

The Cleveland Indians twitter guy needs a raise. He's just clowning on Toronto.

[LGBJ29]

They're getting pretty cocky about it

[RealAccountant]

The Cleveland Indians twitter guy needs a raise. He's just clowning on Toronto.

 

He has a job in Ohio. Probably already considered very successful

[Stangstag]

 

 

This is just embarrassing for us now!

 

When did we ever accuse anyone of sign stealing? I don't understand this tweet

[LGBJ29]

^^ The Red Sox accused them, not us

[King]

When did we ever accuse anyone of sign stealing? I don't understand this tweet

Red Sox were accusing the Indians of stealing signs

[ElNik2013]

Just win. Too bad Travis is injured. I remember that bomb he hit off Bauer. Alright.

[ElNik2013]

Bottomline: Jays are have to look at themselves first. They have taken hittable pitches and swung at balls in some of their at bats. JB himself I think took a 1st pitch hittable strike and ended up striking out against Tomlin.

 

Anyway, no matter what happens, hard to dislike the Indians so kudos to them if they advance.

[polar bear]

Bottomline: Jays are have to look at themselves first. They have taken hittable pitches and swung at balls in some of their at bats. JB himself I think took a 1st pitch hittable strike and ended up striking out against Tomlin.

 

Anyway, no matter what happens, hard to dislike the Indians so kudos to them if they advance.

 

Nail on the head.

[wk680]

I was down in Cleveland for the first two ALCS games. It was tough to watch. I just kept sitting there thinking "this is the inning we breakout". It never happened. Really some bad strikeouts, the worst being Jose. We gotta get a run when we have a man on third base and 1 out. That first inning in the 1st game set the tone unfortunately.

 

Biggest thing for the rest of the series is obviously score runs but also GET THE LEAD BEFORE MILLER COMES IN. That guy is lights out with his fastball and then comes back with the devastating slider. Wish we had him.

 

So many excuses being given why we didn't hit.... umpires, lights... whatever. Cleveland has good pitchers and we have to try to get to them and early before Miller comes in. They didn't score many runs either but no team is going to win any games scoring 1 run over 18 innings.

 

Hoping for a different result tonight. Tonight is a MUST WIN.

 

Hi, sorry your trip to Cleveland was a disappointment. I agree, the key has to be to get an early lead when facing a team like that with a stacked bullpen. It is not just Miller and Allen. Their bullpen is solid 4 or 5 deep. So Jays hitters should not have any thoughts of running up the starter's pitch count like you normally would. Look for a good pitch and go for it, early and often. And with RISP, cut down your swing just looking to put the ball in play for the sac fly (or RBI single as the case may be) instead of going all out for the 3 run bomb. I agree JB's SO in 1st inning of game 1 set a bad tone.

 

Also agree that they are done if they lose game 3, BUT winning game 3 with Clevenger (who isn't even stretched out) slated for game 4 puts the Jays right back in this thing.