Lack of home-grown premium hitters...

[Orgfiller]

Nice delete King.

[Laika]

Are you not including IFA's? If so then the Cubs would have Contreras, Baez, Soler and Bryant.

 

Well all four of those guys aren't in the starting 9, which is all dickbutt looked at

[Spanky99]

Well all four of those guys aren't in the starting 9, which is all dickbutt looked at

 

lol

[TheHurl]

Are you not including IFA's? If so then the Cubs would have Contreras, Baez, Soler and Bryant.

 

Soler isn't a starter and Baez is only platoon. I don't make the rules of my useless project...or I do.

[fatcowxlive]

JP's years were marred by college quick to majors picks which limited upside, and AA was heavy on pitching in his drafts while at the helm, one would suspect that had major impacts on the overall quality of high end talent from a batting perspective.

 

This sums it right up. JP Riccardi was an idiot at drafting and AA was into drafting high ceiling pitchers, so its harder to develop hitters when you're not drafting them properly. Ryan Schimpf is having a solid season so far and he's a Jays org player. Other than that who were the high potential offensive prospects that we've had over the past 5 or so years? d'Arnaud? Gose? Wallace? really nobodys, but we've been stacked with pitching. Tellez is ripping s*** up so maybe he's the next one.

 

I also kind of agree with Dinger's point. There's a difference homegrown vs. development. Home-grown are IFAs like Vlad and drafted players like Tellez. Developed players include Bautista and EE who we fixed, and if it werent for the Jays, would probably be kicking rocks up and down the AAAA train. Donaldson and Travis don't count as developed because they came here with their skill-sets and they flourished here, but would have done the same in their previous teams.

[Daniel Labude]

I've always liked the theory of develop your pitchers, buy your hitters.

 

Is that because it's cheaper to draft and develop pitchers while signing hitters than to draft and develop hitters while signing pitchers?

[Grant77]

This sums it right up. JP Riccardi was an idiot at drafting and AA was into drafting high ceiling pitchers, so its harder to develop hitters when you're not drafting them properly. Ryan Schimpf is having a solid season so far and he's a Jays org player. Other than that who were the high potential offensive prospects that we've had over the past 5 or so years? d'Arnaud? Gose? Wallace? really nobodys, but we've been stacked with pitching. Tellez is ripping s*** up so maybe he's the next one.

 

I also kind of agree with Dinger's point. There's a difference homegrown vs. development. Home-grown are IFAs like Vlad and drafted players like Tellez. Developed players include Bautista and EE who we fixed, and if it werent for the Jays, would probably be kicking rocks up and down the AAAA train. Donaldson and Travis don't count as developed because they came here with their skill-sets and they flourished here, but would have done the same in their previous teams.

 

Hechavarria, Marisnick, and Barreto were all high on lists in the last 5 years.

[fatcowxlive]

Is that because it's cheaper to draft and develop pitchers while signing hitters than to draft and develop hitters while signing pitchers?

 

IMO it's much easier to sell a starter throwing in the high 90s with any sort of movement. And there's loads of them coming through the draft. As long as they can come up and put up good numbers in the minors, and avoid injury, they can trade them at a high value before their arms fall off. Somebody posted a Fangraphs article that was published around the trade deadline about that.

[fatcowxlive]

Hechavarria, Marisnick, and Barreto were all high on lists in the last 5 years.

 

Hech was for his glove and league average bat right? He wasn't supposed to be what Travis is now. So I think he's so far been a success in that department. Marisnick hasn't panned out despite being touted as a toolsy player (great defender tho). Barreto is the only one who we're waiting on to see if he's any good

[L54]

Is that because it's cheaper to draft and develop pitchers while signing hitters than to draft and develop hitters while signing pitchers?

 

Because you'd rather pay a hitter than a pitcher in free agency.

[Spanky99]

Is that because it's cheaper to draft and develop pitchers while signing hitters than to draft and develop hitters while signing pitchers?

 

Arms are a premium this day in age... position players can always be bought, unless your name is Trout or Harper. So, yes.

 

Edit: And what he said...^^^^ Cost control.