Jays acquire Joaquin Benoit from Mariners for Drew Storen + Cash

[nmrch]

Did you say the same about Grilli? The K-rate is still very strong and the velo is there. Much more potential than Storen.

 

just because one reliever may have peformed a midseason turn around doesn't mean they all will. Its not like i don't want Benoit to succeed but it isn't just velocity, the guy is 39, there's other types of declines that you won't see in the velocity charts. I think people are overhyping the move though, he's gonna be used in extremely low leverage situations, won't swing the pendulum one way or the other, its mean to be a minor move.

[glory]

Grilli with ATL picking up the tab (+affordable team option for 2017).

Upton with SD picking up $17m of the $22m he has left on his deal (controllable through 2017).

Benoit for Storen likely in a salary neutral trade (I'm guessing Jays are paying the difference in $ to even it out)

 

I'm liking these moves.

[fatcowxlive]

Colabello

 

Lol Valencia would have been a better shout!

[eastcoastjaysfan]

just because one reliever may have peformed a midseason turn around doesn't mean they all will. Its not like i don't want Benoit to succeed but it isn't just velocity, the guy is 39, there's other types of decliens that you won't see in the velocity charts

 

Elaborate

[Captain Adama]

Isn't that JP Riccardi? Him and Bautista were both from the Riccardi era

 

He was DFA'd by AA, picked up by Oakland, placed on waivers and picked up again.

[Grant77]

Edwin Encarnacion.

 

We lost Encarnacion on waivers, but signed him as a free agent.

[fatcowxlive]

He was DFA'd by AA, picked up by Oakland, placed on waivers and picked up again.

 

So AA tried to get rid of him that doesn't count!!!

[King]

Lol Valencia would have been a better shout!

We never claimed him off waivers though. We traded for him, for Liam Hendriks and Erik Kratz. Then re-acquired Hendriks in the offseason for Santiago Nessy (minor league catcher).

 

Colabello was a great bat last season even though this year has obviously been a disaster, it was definitely a good waiver claim.

[Cyborg]

Isn't that JP Riccardi? Him and Bautista were both from the Riccardi era

Nope. The trade was JP but not the waiver claim lol.

 

Actually Grant is right he cleared and we signed him.

[HERPDERP]

Benoit's velocity is still there. I prefer him.

[nmrch]

Elaborate

 

simple command? The walks were up a bit last year too and they're obviously THE issue now, you don't think it could be an age related decline?

[Inklink]

Soon the jays will be the oldest team in baseball

 

Gotta make the most of this window of opportchewnity.

[Atothe]

simple command? The walks were up a bit last year too and they're obviously THE issue now, you don't think it could be an age related decline.

 

How many times have you seen pitch this year?

[Jimcanuck]

What does swapping relievers have to do with those two?

 

Storen was on his way out, opening a spot on the 25 man. A 7 man relief corps is possible. With acquisition of Upton and Benoit, there is no room for GoGo or the 'shroom

[BTS]

lol @ this thread. Two ageing, struggling relief pitchers with identical salaries. Determining which one will be more valuable over the next 20 innings is pretty much the closest thing you get to a coin flip in baseball. Calling this a great move seems like a bit much.

[nmrch]

How many times have you seen pitch this year?

 

holy crap, i've said some crazy things in the past but people are actually jumping on me for suggesting a 39 year old reliever might not turn it around. How is that controversial at all?

[gbill2004]

GBill, we need a Drew Storen appreciation thread.

 

I tried but looks like a f***face moderator keeps deleting it.

[Spanky99]

He's good.

[Cyborg]

holy crap, i've said some crazy things in the past but people are actually jumping on me for suggesting a 39 year old reliever might not turn it around. How is that controversial at all?

Swstr is down but still elite. A little control gain and he could be elite again.

[nmrch]

lol @ this thread. Two ageing, struggling relief pitchers with identical salaries. Determining which one will be more valuable over the next 20 innings is pretty much the closest thing you get to a coin flip in baseball. Calling this a great move seems like a bit much.

 

you and I have disagreed quite a bit in the last few days but thank you for bringing some perspective here.

[Spanky99]

I tried but looks like a f***face moderator keeps deleting it.

 

Seems to be because, you're the f***face?

[gbill2004]

Seems to be because, you're the f***face?

Sorry but that's you.

[nmrch]

Swstr is down but still elite. A little control gain and he could be elite again.

 

well lets hope so, as a fan i would obviously be happy with that but do you think its crazy to think that the command might be a real age related decline and not just the variance we see with relievers?

[admin]

lol @ this thread. Two ageing, struggling relief pitchers with identical salaries. Determining which one will be more valuable over the next 20 innings is pretty much the closest thing you get to a coin flip in baseball. Calling this a great move seems like a bit much.

 

Exactly, praising Shapiro for this is just silly. If this was AA everyone would be saying "Why the f*** do we keep picking up other teams' garbage?"

[eastcoastjaysfan]

It's Benoit's birthday today!

[Grant77]

lol @ this thread. Two ageing, struggling relief pitchers with identical salaries. Determining which one will be more valuable over the next 20 innings is pretty much the closest thing you get to a coin flip in baseball. Calling this a great move seems like a bit much.

 

Seeing that Storen has already been DFA'd, it's a fine move. Benoit hasn't seen the big drop in velocity and has a better track record, so I like his chances a bit more.

[fatcowxlive]

We never claimed him off waivers though. We traded for him, for Liam Hendriks and Erik Kratz. Then re-acquired Hendriks in the offseason for Santiago Nessy (minor league catcher).

 

Colabello was a great bat last season even though this year has obviously been a disaster, it was definitely a good waiver claim.

 

For sure no doubting that best pick up but what I'm saying is his good pickups to claims ratio is bad. And he didn't do a lot of midseason small deals. These guys might best him for making small tweaks

[BTS]

Seeing that Storehasn already been DFA'd, it's a fine move. Benoit hasn't seen the big drop in velocity and has a better track record, so I like his chances a bit more.

 

Yeah, it's fine. Certainly nothing to complain about. Gun to my head I probably take Benoit ROS, but it seems really close.

[Spanky99]

Exactly, praising Shapiro for this is just silly. If this was AA everyone would be saying "Why the f*** do we keep picking up other teams' garbage?"

 

How long has Benoit been garbage? I didn't like the cut of Storen, but if this is the consolation, I'm happy. Yesterday folk thought we weren't catching a whiff of a player. Smarten up ju1ced.

[fatcowxlive]

Exactly, praising Shapiro for this is just silly. If this was AA everyone would be saying "Why the f*** do we keep picking up other teams' garbage?"

 

guys we still have the post season. That's obviously what we're talking about. Plus if he's really good we have an option on him