Fangraphs 2016 Broadcasting Rankings Released

[500LevelSTH]

Heard an interview with Jim Palmer this week from the O's crew. Only thing he talked about in terms of reviewing a few starters was how many wins they had and ERA. He didn't mention anything else.

 

I know he is 70 and had a lot of success, but it does amaze me that someone wouldn't beef up their analysis with some of the tools that are available now. "Wins" has got to be the most over rated stat for SP available.

 

It actually annoys me now when people say "X team has to get him the runs to get him the win, or he isn't in line for the win and can only lose" etc etc.. Obviously the goal is to win, but its a team game with so many variables.

 

palmer and tabby are nearly identical, watched this weekends Os broadcast, without gary thorne they are terrible, much like Shulman

 

in fairness to Palmer, he did "win" 20+ games in half the seasons of his 2 decade career

[intentional wok]

He speaks very slowly.

 

I don't hate him but I wouldn't put him #1.

 

I like him, but I'd agree that he sounds more tired than I remember (for obvious reasons). The charisma is definitely there though. He's also really funny. The other day I was passing by the Brewers/Dodgers matchup, and it was (I think) Broxton hitting when Scully rattled off a whole string of accomplishments and anecdotes and then finished with "And he's great on a skateboard!" Amazing.

 

As for Toronto's TV crew -- pretty bad. Buck and Pat are alright, I guess, but there are way too many times when they just babble and very little of what is said holds up.

 

I can live with Zaun and I actually appreciate his insights into life as a major leaguer. But Campbell, Mae, Davis are all so awkward. Almost any time Hazel has extended speaking she flubs something. Campbell is fine as a host but literally the instant he tries to ad lib he goes right into the pavement. I remember when Campbell/Mulliniks was one of the play-by-play dynamics. Just indefensibly bad.

 

Has anyone watched MLB Plus broadcasts? Lots of advanced statistics and strategy, but my lord it just sounds like basement nerds trying to socialize. The format desperately needs a pinch of charm.

[Dick_Pole]

I'm going to be a minority in this, but I think wins and winning percentage is a very telling stat, at least for someone who had a long career where the law of averages apply.

 

You take one look at Halladay's winning percentage with the Jays compared to the team's winning percentage in games he wasn't involved in and you know he was a pretty damn good pitcher.

[intentional wok]

I'm going to be a minority in this, but I think wins and winning percentage is a very telling stat, at least for someone who had a long career where the law of averages apply.

 

You take one look at Halladay's winning percentage with the Jays compared to the team's winning percentage in games he wasn't involved in and you know he was a pretty damn good pitcher.

 

It's just that Wins and % don't tell much of the story, but I see what you're saying. It's easy (and correct) to laugh at Romero's 2012 W/L line (or Hutch's from last year). But Roy pitched for both strong and weak hitting Jay teams, so over a near-career size like I'd agree that it's not incorrect to assume a high W% = quality.

[BigCecil]

I'm going to be a minority in this, but I think wins and winning percentage is a very telling stat, at least for someone who had a long career where the law of averages apply.

 

You take one look at Halladay's winning percentage with the Jays compared to the team's winning percentage in games he wasn't involved in and you know he was a pretty damn good pitcher.

 

That's sorta true. Steve Carlton went 27-10 on a 1972 Phillies team that 59-97. I still think a staggering performance with a win total that at least indicates he was pretty f***ing good winning that many gms on a team that lousy. He pitched 350 innings that year lol. He is one of the best Ive ever watched. Still remember the Phillies-Expos series playoff series when they faced him.

 

With a very good pitcher wins over a long career could be a decent indicator of their value(assuming they play on some both bad a good teams) but there other stats that much better directly correlate to their value IMO.

[Jimcanuck]

John Cerutti, may he rest in peace, best Jays analyst / commentator ever

[gruber92]

Without looking... Let me guess. Dodgers and Scully is #1?

 

 

EDIT: yup. Lol I think Vin Scully is so overrated. People love him because he has the "old baseball voice".

 

Oh c'mon.. The man does it alone and has been doing this for 50 years. His voice and vocabulary are easy listening without any hiccups or stuttering. He's as smooth as it gets and hardly ever makes mistakes. Do you have any clue the type of talent it takes to do this? How can you say he's overrated?

[gruber92]

John Cerutti, may he rest in peace, best Jays analyst / commentator ever

 

Meh.. I learned a lot from Tony Kubek. He's imo the best we've ever had.

[intrigid]

The really scary thing is that as bad as our TV broadcast crew is, it's currently miles better than anything we've had from 2002-2015.

[P2F]

Listening to Vin Scully is like listening to someone tell a captivating story. There will never be another like him, sadly.

[Spanky99]

Listening to Vin Scully is like listening to someone tell a captivating story. There will never be another like him, sadly.

 

His play by play and story telling is/was simply majestic, he'll be truly missed.

[CrackerJack]

Meh.. I learned a lot from Tony Kubek. He's imo the best we've ever had.

 

yeah, the Blue Jays were lucky to have him for their first dozen years.

[Spanky99]

yeah, the Blue Jays were lucky to have him for their first dozen years.

 

Radio though, and periodical CBC telecasts.

[John_Havok]

Oh c'mon.. The man does it alone and has been doing this for 50 years. His voice and vocabulary are easy listening without any hiccups or stuttering. He's as smooth as it gets and hardly ever makes mistakes. Do you have any clue the type of talent it takes to do this? How can you say he's overrated?

 

He's just not what the new generation of fan would identify with. Every dog has his day, and his day is past.

 

He's a legend of the business, but that doesn't mean that everyone has to like him. Personally, I fall asleep every time I watch a game that he does, but I still appreciate the talent, dedication and devotion to his craft that he obviously has.

[CrackerJack]

Radio though, and periodical CBC telecasts.

 

Kubek was the colour guy with Don Chevrier for many seasons on CTV telecasts and later Tony and Fergie Olver(haha) did Jays games on TSN.

[Spanky99]

Kubek was the colour guy with Don Chevrier for many seasons on CTV telecasts and later Tony and Fergie Olver(haha) did Jays games on TSN.

 

I know... "Just For Mom", lol. Why I thought it was CBC is just a brain cramp.

[gruber92]

He's just not what the new generation of fan would identify with. Every dog has his day, and his day is past.

 

He's a legend of the business, but that doesn't mean that everyone has to like him. Personally, I fall asleep every time I watch a game that he does, but I still appreciate the talent, dedication and devotion to his craft that he obviously has.

 

Describing him the way you just did versus saying he's overrated are two totally different things. Whether you're a fan of him or not, the man has been working his craft for 50+ years flawlessly. Describing him as being overrated is insane.

[BigCecil]

His play by play and story telling is/was simply majestic, he'll be truly missed.

 

The call on Kirk Gibson's WS home run after he limped to the plate is such a classic.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

That's way many of Saskatchewans farmers and Rural sask communities love the Bluejays!!! Radio and long hours spent in a Tractor or combine listening to Jays games and feeding this land!!!