Has your stance on re-signing EE changed?

[Governator]

why? I don't get it. what am I missing Gov?

 

I was wondering how the hell Bautista had a -0.9 WAR... then I clued in.

[BigCecil]

I was wondering how the hell Bautista had a -0.9 WAR... then I clued in.

 

lol.....no kidding. I didn't even think about it as I couldn't imagine them having neg WAR!! (except Zeke)Dumb on my part. Wont do that again. thx for pointing out.

[baseballsss]

why? I don't get it. what am I missing Gov?

 

Almost everyone that read it prob thought it was negative WAR haha

[vic city]

Almost everyone that read it prob thought it was negative WAR haha

 

I may just be the only person that didn't. It took me a minute to figure out what Gov meant by that.

 

I just don't see a world where we re-sign Bautista. There's no way he comes down to $20M after asking for $30M. Even $20M may be a bit much unless he goes on a tear in the 2nd half. I'd give them both 2 years @ $20M. I'd also give EE 3 years @ $18M.

[Boxcar]

If it means short term gain for long term loss, no thanks.

 

What loss would there be, exactly?

[xposbrad]

I may just be the only person that didn't. It took me a minute to figure out what Gov meant by that.

 

I just don't see a world where we re-sign Bautista. There's no way he comes down to $20M after asking for $30M. Even $20M may be a bit much unless he goes on a tear in the 2nd half. I'd give them both 2 years @ $20M. I'd also give EE 3 years @ $18M.

 

He's going to have to, because there most likely not 1 AL team going to give him 20m+. Tell me which teams next year can afford it and will want to do it? There's Boston, and they need another starter + they have to give out long term deals to guys like XB, so their payroll without JB is going to be even higher next year and that's even with Ortiz off the books. No way they can add another 15m+ pitcher, sign some of their guys to new deals + sign JB for 20m+. So that leaves which team with the payroll? It's just the Jays. Meanwhile, I still wouldn't even go to 20m for him to DH, no thank you. Maybe 2/35 or something, but his ego won't let him sign that.

[GeorgiaPeach]

What loss would there be, exactly?

 

Well, I don't need to see legacies unravelling or Retirement Tours.

 

So net a couple picks to help restock the farm. Put the money that would've been spent towards younger more versatile free agents/extensions.

 

That kinda thing.

[Stangstag]

He's going to have to, because there most likely not 1 AL team going to give him 20m+. Tell me which teams next year can afford it and will want to do it? There's Boston, and they need another starter + they have to give out long term deals to guys like XB, so their payroll without JB is going to be even higher next year and that's even with Ortiz off the books. No way they can add another 15m+ pitcher, sign some of their guys to new deals + sign JB for 20m+. So that leaves which team with the payroll? It's just the Jays. Meanwhile, I still wouldn't even go to 20m for him to DH, no thank you. Maybe 2/35 or something, but his ego won't let him sign that.

 

I could see Bautista going to: Orioles, Whitesox, Twins, Rangers, Mariners, Astros, and that's just AL teams.

[baseballsss]

I think a lot of you are underestimating how stupid some GMs are..

 

There is always someone who will pay what the hitter/pitcher wants when it comes to players like Bautista.

[Boxcar]

Well, I don't need to see legacies unravelling or Retirement Tours.

 

So net a couple picks to help restock the farm. Put the money that would've been spent towards younger more versatile free agents/extensions.

 

That kinda thing.

 

Yeah because you wouldn't be paying them money to perform or anything. Just keep acquiring picks.

 

I'm just curious, after seeing how horribly your philosophy consistently fails, why do you still support it? One would think an adjustment would be in the cards by now.

[King]

I think a lot of you are underestimating how stupid some GMs are..

 

There is always someone who will pay what the hitter/pitcher wants when it comes to players like Bautista.

 

Thanos was probably triggered just reading this.

[Dick_Pole]

Well, I don't need to see legacies unravelling or Retirement Tours.

 

So net a couple picks to help restock the farm. Put the money that would've been spent towards younger more versatile free agents/extensions.

 

That kinda thing.

 

Any free agent at JB or EE's talent level who is younger is going to require an 8 year $200M commitment. With these guys at least there's a shot at a 3 or 4 year deal.

[RealAccountant]

Any free agent at JB or EE's talent level who is younger is going to require an 8 year $200M commitment. With these guys at least there's a shot at a 3 or 4 year deal.

 

Reddick's names been brought up a lot. I will be surprised if he doesn't land 9 digits

[GeorgiaPeach]

Yeah because you wouldn't be paying them money to perform or anything. Just keep acquiring picks.

 

So you're fine with Ruben Amaro's teams the past few years because Howard & Co. were still performing. Badly, but still performing.

 

I'm just curious, after seeing how horribly your philosophy consistently fails, why do you still support it? One would think an adjustment would be in the cards by now.

 

Where does it fail? In Fantasy Ball? Cubs, Cards, Phillies, Astros seem to be doing fine with their real life builds from within. So it must be Fantasy Ball.

 

Maybe if I picked the cutest players that would be a better strategy eh? Your record speaks for itself.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Reddick's names been brought up a lot. I will be surprised if he doesn't land 9 digits

 

Money better spent on him than Jose or Edwin.

[Jonn]

If Edwin wants to return the team friendly contract Shapiro and Atkins offered will more than sufficient. If a team like Boston wants to give him 3 years and more term let them. They can buy his decline years and we get a first round pick.

[gbill2004]

Would three years at $55-60 million get it done? I'd do that.

[Boxcar]

So you're fine with Ruben Amaro's teams the past few years because Howard & Co. were still performing. Badly, but still performing.

 

So we're either proponents of giving Ryan Howard a bazillion dollars or in favour of Marlins baseball. No in-between. Got it.

 

I'm actually kind of in disbelief that I need to point this out, but you're aware that we need to pay SOMEONE to play DH and RF, right? I know you bizarrely don't think that winning is important, but there are no options for these positions unless it's Colabello (who is like 30, so old) Smoak (who is almost 30, so old) or maybe Pompey and I don't even know what is happening with him. So what's your solution?

 

Where does it fail? In Fantasy Ball? Cubs, Cards, Phillies, Astros seem to be doing fine with their real life builds from within. So it must be Fantasy Ball.

 

The Cubs, eh? Jake Arrieta - acquired by trade, John Lackey - free agent, Kyle Hendricks - acquired by trade, Rizzo - acquired by trade, Zobrist - free agent, Heyward - free agent, Fowler - acquired by trade and then free agent, Addison Russell - acquired by trade, Lester - free agent, Montero - acquired by trade. Literally the only core piece that the Cubs drafted is Kris Bryant. Really great examples. The Cardinals haven't been in the cellar in over a decade and are exceptional at development. The Astros look like a flash in the pan. The Phillies haven't done s***.

 

Good examples, though.

 

Maybe if I picked the cutest players that would be a better strategy eh?

 

Actually, yes, but that speaks more to your laughably s***** baseball philosophy than anything else.

 

your record speaks for itself.

 

You mean the one where I'm consistently top 5 in every league outside the DDL after I realized what I as doing wasn't working and got set on fixing it? Yeah I guess it does speak for itself, thanks for pointing it out.

[bowld]

Keep EE, let Jose walk

[saskjayfan]

So you're fine with Ruben Amaro's teams the past few years because Howard & Co. were still performing. Badly, but still performing.

 

 

 

Where does it fail? In Fantasy Ball? Cubs, Cards, Phillies, Astros seem to be doing fine with their real life builds from within. So it must be Fantasy Ball.

 

Maybe if I picked the cutest players that would be a better strategy eh? Your record speaks for itself.

 

comparing edwin and howard makes sense because the technical aspects of their swings are very similar. Even from a statistical standpoint, Howard was striking out nearly 200 times a year even when he was in his prime. You really couldn't find two more different swings in baseball to compare.

[RealAccountant]

Bautista's WRC is down to 122

[GeorgiaPeach]

Any free agent at JB or EE's talent level who is younger is going to require an 8 year $200M commitment. With these guys at least there's a shot at a 3 or 4 year deal.

 

I feel safer paying a younger player 8/200 than Jose 4/100

[vic city]

See the funny thing is everyone was quick to jump on EE's 'major decline' but he had yet to get hot, something he does EVERY year. Obviously he won't be able to maintain this pace but no one should be surprised by how well he's been hitting lately. Bautista on the other hand has clearly declined in almost every aspect except maybe in the walk column and it's not jus a hot/cold thing. He is a shell of the player that he used to be. He's still a productive hitter but he's no longer elite with the bat and he provides arguably negative value with the glove.

[vic city]

I feel safer paying a younger player 8/200 than Jose 4/100

 

Chances are both of those contracts turn out to be bad, unless that young player is Bryce Harper.

[fatcowxlive]

No it hasn't because I didn't buy the Edwin we saw is the real Edwin. Same with Bautista and JD (before a couple of years ago). If it did you're reactionary!!

[gbill2004]

Drop Bautista and go after Bryce Harper.

[GD]

Drop Bautista and go after Bryce Harper.

 

Nice

[TheGrandslamMan]

From a PR standpoint it would be extremely difficult not to resign at least one of JB/EB as there's not much on the market to replace them with. The backlash will be heightened ten-fold if the Jays go on another exciting playoff run. Can you imagine the backlash if the Jays make the finals or win the World Series and then let both of em go? The riot mobs would be out in full force... Puts Shapiro in a real tough spot.

 

I expect Edwin to have a big year and sign for some big-time money somewhere else but if Batista has a down year reality might kick him in the ass and he could end up signing a reasonable extension with the Jays.

[Krylian]

Chances are both of those contracts turn out to be bad, unless that young player is Bryce Harper.

 

That deal would be 8/400 then.

[204Jays]

Pay the man. 4/100 should do it