General 2016 Blue Jays discussion thread

[HERPDERP]

The Yankees are actually positioned pretty well right now

 

- Sabathia, Teixeira, Beltran are gone after this season

- Rodriguez is gone after 2017

 

They have the bad Headley contract, but for the most part their bad long-term deals are starting to expire. And they have exciting prospects like Bird, Severino, Mateo, Kaprielian, and Judge.

 

hmm true, moving forward they are set obviously due to their huge payroll

 

But in terms of this year they have been a massive clusterf***.

 

They fall any further and I must wonder what kind of haul they'll get for Chapman/Miller

[burlingtonbandit]

Kevin Pillar now tied for 18th in WAR among position players at 1.2. Actually ahead of Bryce Harper which is mind boggling.

 

People pissed on him because he was a bad leadoff hitter but he still remains one of the best players on the roster. Nice to see he's cut down his chase rate by more than 10% since last year.

[Terminator]

The Yankees are actually positioned pretty well right now

 

- Sabathia, Teixeira, Beltran are gone after this season

- Rodriguez is gone after 2017

 

They have the bad Headley contract, but for the most part their bad long-term deals are starting to expire. And they have exciting prospects like Bird, Severino, Mateo, Kaprielian, and Judge.

 

Yeah this was always a throw away year for them. They should be good in 2017 and moving forward.

[Governator]

Kevin Pillar now tied for 18th in WAR among position players at 1.2. Actually ahead of Bryce Harper which is mind boggling.

 

People pissed on him because he was a bad leadoff hitter but he still remains one of the best players on the roster. Nice to see he's cut down his chase rate by more than 10% since last year.

 

 

and yet some people believe he's Goins outfield equal.

[vdubmvp]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/biagini-gets-little-weird-postgame/

[King]

www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/biagini-gets-little-weird-postgame/

 

It's a unique personality for sure.

[burlingtonbandit]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/biagini-gets-little-weird-postgame/

 

lol "there's a lot of baseballs"

[Governator]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/biagini-gets-little-weird-postgame/

 

I bet he's pretty awesome when he's drunk

[Terminator]

Tulo drops to 6th in the lineup today.

[Terminator]

If you use Montero to pinch hit than you can actually save 'Zeke to pinch run. That's been an issue lately where it's quite obvious that Gibby has no faith in Dominguez.

 

Yeah that's true. I mean adding a body to the bench who can provide anything would be helpful. Zeke can pinch run, Montero can pitch hit, Goins/Barney can be a defensive substitution. So while the bench still sucks that at least they provide SOMETHING. Thole is still a waste.

[Brownie19]

The Yankees are actually positioned pretty well right now

 

- Sabathia, Teixeira, Beltran are gone after this season

- Rodriguez is gone after 2017

 

They have the bad Headley contract, but for the most part their bad long-term deals are starting to expire. And they have exciting prospects like Bird, Severino, Mateo, Kaprielian, and Judge.

 

I remember people saying the Yanks were going to get at much out of Headley for as the Red Sox get out of Pablo - at half the cost. They were right - they both suck nutz.

[Brownie19]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/aaron-nola-has-baseballs-best-curveball/

 

Apparently Sanchez has the 5th best curveball in baseball. I never thought I'd write that.

[Brownie19]

Kevin Pillar now tied for 18th in WAR among position players at 1.2. Actually ahead of Bryce Harper which is mind boggling.

 

People pissed on him because he was a bad leadoff hitter but he still remains one of the best players on the roster. Nice to see he's cut down his chase rate by more than 10% since last year.

 

That's the type of quote that makes "old school" people question sabermetrics even more...Christ it makes me question it to some extent.

[Daniel Labude]

Sports Illustrated did a segment on who would replace Gibby, assuming it will happen soon. They suggested Bud Black. The segment cut off at 28 seconds so I didn't get to see the rest of it.

[HERPDERP]

That's the type of quote that makes "old school" people question sabermetrics even more...Christ it makes me question it to some extent.

 

his curveball to lefties is pretty good. The one to righties is pretty meh.

[Brownie19]

his curveball to lefties is pretty good. The one to righties is pretty meh.

 

Huh? I'm talking about how Pillar's been more valuable than Harper to date this year...

[King]

Huh? I'm talking about how Pillar's been more valuable than Harper to date this year...

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2016&month=0&season1=2016&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=21,d

 

There's more to fWAR than just hitting. Pillar provides a lot of defense and baserunning value (to go with a slightly above average bat so far this season) And Harper was ranked 30th among qualified hitters in wRC+ before todays games.

 

 

Obviously you take Harper over Pillar 10 times out of 10 going forward. But it's just stating what has happened so far.

[vdubmvp]

http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/8879974/v655937083/5316-smoaks-two-home-runs-lead-blue-jays-to-win/?game_pk=447267

 

I've been watching the highlights from last night's game again and the Rangers are actually really annoying. Andrus for some reason jumping out of the dugout after a first inning home run, Odor crying over getting tagged too hard, Dyson just being super unattractive. f*** I'm glad we ended up winning.

[KinofChaos]

http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/8879974/v655937083/5316-smoaks-two-home-runs-lead-blue-jays-to-win/?game_pk=447267

 

I've been watching the highlights from last night's game again and the Rangers are actually really annoying. Andrus for some reason jumping out of the dugout after a first inning home run, Odor crying over getting tagged too hard, Dyson just being super unattractive. f*** I'm glad we ended up winning.

 

Odor crying over JD's tag was pathetic, grown athlete butt hurt of a tag. Donaldson did nothing wrong.

[Terminator]

http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/8879974/v655937083/5316-smoaks-two-home-runs-lead-blue-jays-to-win/?game_pk=447267

 

I've been watching the highlights from last night's game again and the Rangers are actually really annoying. Andrus for some reason jumping out of the dugout after a first inning home run, Odor crying over getting tagged too hard, Dyson just being super unattractive. f*** I'm glad we ended up winning.

 

They do have Adrian Beltre though and he's an international treasure. Andrus doesn't bug me but f*** Sam Dyson and Odor. Bannister is kind of annoying as well.

[KinofChaos]

They do have Adrian Beltre though and he's an international treasure. Andrus doesn't bug me but f*** Sam Dyson and Odor. Bannister is kind of annoying as well.

 

Agree, Dyson, Odor even looks like a moron. Beltre is great though.

[bones10]

http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/8879974/v655937083/5316-smoaks-two-home-runs-lead-blue-jays-to-win/?game_pk=447267

 

I've been watching the highlights from last night's game again and the Rangers are actually really annoying. Andrus for some reason jumping out of the dugout after a first inning home run, Odor crying over getting tagged too hard, Dyson just being super unattractive. f*** I'm glad we ended up winning.

 

Did Donaldson even say anything to Odor lol, it looked like he just walked away after he started calling him out.

[vdubmvp]

They do have Adrian Beltre though and he's an international treasure. Andrus doesn't bug me but f*** Sam Dyson and Odor. Bannister is kind of annoying as well.

 

You're right, Beltre is fantastic, and I'm generally fine with Andrus considering all he did for us in game five.

[vdubmvp]

Did Donaldson even say anything to Odor lol, it looked like he just walked away after he started calling him out.

 

I doubt he bothered. Of course that nonsense just reminds me of the same thing with Machado. I love how even the ump was laughing about it.

 

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/pyhohuksniaoytahpuyb.gif

[burlingtonbandit]

Sports Illustrated did a segment on who would replace Gibby, assuming it will happen soon. They suggested Bud Black. The segment cut off at 28 seconds so I didn't get to see the rest of it.

 

He'd be my number 1 choice as well. He was one of the best managers in bullpen usage and is pretty familiar with analytics.

 

Sounds like the Braves are targeting him though.

[Terminator]

Bud Black would be a good choice.

[Brownie19]

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2016&month=0&season1=2016&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=21,d

 

There's more to fWAR than just hitting. Pillar provides a lot of defense and baserunning value (to go with a slightly above average bat so far this season) And Harper was ranked 30th among qualified hitters in wRC+ before todays games.

 

 

Obviously you take Harper over Pillar 10 times out of 10 going forward. But it's just stating what has happened so far.

 

I get all of that man - but it's times like this I must admit I don't 100% buy into the stats suggesting Pillar's been more valuable than Harper to date.

 

 

O's must be so happy they didn't get Fowler. 2 WAR already.

[glory]

Kevin Pillar now tied for 18th in WAR among position players at 1.2. Actually ahead of Bryce Harper which is mind boggling.

 

People pissed on him because he was a bad leadoff hitter but he still remains one of the best players on the roster. Nice to see he's cut down his chase rate by more than 10% since last year.

 

Pillar at lead off was a bad idea.

 

Pillar as a player in general is very good.

[HERPDERP]

So after last night's comments it seems Cecil's career with the Jays after 2016 is measurably over

[Angrioter]

fWAR

Donaldson 1.6

Pillar 1.2 (On pace to +6 fWAR)

Saunders 0.7

Sanchez 0.7

Estrada 0.7

Stroman 0.6

Bautista 0.5