Chapman to Yanks for prospects

[Spanky99]

What's better: him knocking her out in a fit of rage, or taking his frustrations out by shooting at a wall?

 

No brainer for me. Obviously not what I'd do and still pretty insane imo, but clearly the lesser evil. He had no intent to harm anyone and I guess this is his version of screaming in a pillow.

 

If they give Chapman a long suspension based on nothing, are they willing to draw out the process like they did with A-Rod? Do they want to cause a stink with the union right before they work on a new CBA?

 

I just don't see the justification. Reyes, for sure, he definitely hit his wife and they would definitely want to make a statement there. Just don't think it makes sense with Chapman.

 

Or walk away like Dinger said? Atleast you realize that's batshit crazy, he likely scared the f*** out of everyone in the house. That's not normal behaviour, brah.

[Jimcanuck]

firing a gun after an argument is abuse

 

abuse is not just physical

 

not sure what would be worse for a wife or gf, getting a slap in the noggin or the guy shooting up the garage in a rage after an argument

[Boxcar]

Or walk away like Dinger said? Atleast you realize that's batshit crazy, he likely scared the f*** out of everyone in the house. That's not normal behaviour, brah.

 

Yeah, it's not normal. I already said that.

 

My point isn't that Chapman isn't a f***ing hothead moron, shooting up your garage because your gf found out you were sending out dick pics is f***ing crazy. But, if he has anger issues to this extent, is that crazy behaviour not preferable to breaking her jaw or something?

 

It's hard to get in the head of someone like that but if he got that mad (again, far more than normal) then I think he did a pretty good job of walking away from the situation to let off steam before anyone got hurt.

 

And I'll reiterate since apparently it gets lost in translation: Chapman has anger issues and needs to get some help for that. He's probably a scumbag. Shooting up your own garage is not normal or warranted.

 

But can we at least say that he avoided doing what many other athletes in that situation have done in the past? I think it at least deserves a mention.

Edited December 31, 2015 by Boxcar

[Boxcar]

firing a gun after an argument is abuse

 

abuse is not just physical

 

not sure what would be worse for a wife or gf, getting a slap in the noggin or the guy shooting up the garage in a rage after an argument

 

I'm pretty sure you do know what's worse and you're simply being obtuse.

[Jimcanuck]

I'm pretty sure you do know what's worse and you're simply being obtuse.

 

not all all... u think chapman was just blowing off steam firing the gun.... not the case, it was a message and a very frightening one to the woman

[GD]

not all all... u think chapman was just blowing off steam firing the gun.... not the case, it was a message and a very frightening one to the woman

 

I don't think you have the right to make that determination actually.

[Krylian]

I don't think you have the right to make that determination actually.

 

It's a guess... And a reasonable one.

 

Firing off a gun in your garage to either blow off steam or to send a message are both stupid. Smells of anger issues. Normal people don't do that.

[GD]

Jim did not make a guess, he stated it as a fact. He isn't Chapman. He doesn't get to state that with such certainty. Anger management is not sending a message, no matter how stupid anger management is. Chapman has every right to try and regulate his behavior without being accused.

[Krylian]

Jim did not make a guess, he stated it as a fact. He isn't Chapman. He doesn't get to state that with such certainty. Anger management is not sending a message, no matter how stupid anger management is. Chapman has every right to try and regulate his behavior without being accused.

 

So you think what Chapman did is perfectly acceptable and reasonable?

[GD]

So you think what Chapman did is perfectly acceptable and reasonable?

 

Holy f***ing strawman. The guy acted like an idiot but that doesn't equate to abusing his girlfriend based on literally 0 evidence.

[BTS]

So you think what Chapman did is perfectly acceptable and reasonable?

 

Reasonable? No. Acceptable? To whom? Legally it seems as though it was acceptable. MLB is not and should not act as the morality police.

[Spanky99]

Reasonable? No. Acceptable? To whom? Legally it seems as though it was acceptable. MLB is not and should not act as the morality police.

 

All great points, but a man who kooks out like that, should suffer his consequence, whether it's the MLB or the State of Florida, whom opened a file on one Aroldis Chapman.

[Krylian]

Reasonable? No. Acceptable? To whom? Legally it seems as though it was acceptable. MLB is not and should not act as the morality police.

 

Are you allowed to surf porn at work? Probably not. It's not illegal either... But your employer has every right to discipline you for it.

 

Chapman going off half cocked might not be illegal, but I'm sure there are all sorts of clauses within MLB as well as individual contacts that talk about behavior unbecoming to a pro MLB player.

 

I have no problem with the league calling him out for being a tard.

[GD]

Are you allowed to surf porn at work? Probably not. It's not illegal either... But your employer has every right to discipline you for it.

 

Chapman going off half cocked might not be illegal, but I'm sure there are all sorts of clauses within MLB as well as individual contacts that talk about behavior unbecoming to a pro MLB player.

 

I have no problem with the league calling him out for being a tard.

 

That's not a moral issue, lol.

[Boxcar]

Are you allowed to surf porn at work? Probably not. It's not illegal either... But your employer has every right to discipline you for it.

 

Chapman going off half cocked might not be illegal, but I'm sure there are all sorts of clauses within MLB as well as individual contacts that talk about behavior unbecoming to a pro MLB player.

 

I have no problem with the league calling him out for being a tard.

 

Do you understand the difference between doing something while at work and doing something while not at work?

[GD]

There's also the small issue that employers only give a f*** about damaging their tech and losing your productivity while you're on the clock not about the morality of porn lmao

[TheHurl]

Do you understand the difference between doing something while at work and doing something while not at work?

 

But there is a lot you can do away from work that can get you suspended. I worked in Investigations for the investment industry and there was a whole list of things that we have to investigate for members. From obvious stuff like arrests and bankruptcies, but also things like the police being called to their house, sending money overseas, certain medical issues.

[Krylian]

Ignore the second half of my post, guys....really.

 

Fine. He wasn't at work. But the argument was that his behaviour want illegal so MLB should have no reason to stick there nose in. My point is, there are legal things that were can ask do that would not please our employers. Curt Schilling made a tweet that got him "suspended". I don't think he was at work when he did it. But regardless, what he did impacted the image of his employer negatively... When you're in the public eye, there are a different set of standards that these guys need to live up to. Doesn't matter if you believe that or not, it's true. And if Chapman wants to pretend like he's in the wild west then I think his employer shouldn't be pleased at all.

 

You all disagree... And that's fine.

 

If i went out to my garage and fired off a few rounds and it somehow made it out to these media and it was mentioned who i worked for... I wouldn't be surprised at all if my company would have a sit down with me.

[Jimcanuck]

Ignore the second half of my post, guys....really.

 

Fine. He wasn't at work. But the argument was that his behaviour want illegal so MLB should have no reason to stick there nose in. My point is, there are legal things that were can ask do that would not please our employers. Curt Schilling made a tweet that got him "suspended". I don't think he was at work when he did it. But regardless, what he did impacted the image of his employer negatively... When you're in the public eye, there are a different set of standards that these guys need to live up to. Doesn't matter if you believe that or not, it's true. And if Chapman wants to pretend like he's in the wild west then I think his employer shouldn't be pleased at all.

 

You all disagree... And that's fine.

 

If i went out to my garage and fired off a few rounds and it somehow made it out to these media and it was mentioned who i worked for... I wouldn't be surprised at all if my company would have a sit down with me.

 

I believe that what someone does during their private time should have no impact whatsoever on their employment. Unless of course the impacts of what they do mean they cannot do the job, such as landing in prison.

 

The fact that what one does during their private time, even when it doesn't affect ability to do their job, may be grounds for dismissal is simply a reflection of our subservience to corporate interests.

 

The issue I have with Chapman is primarily the shooting up of his garage after an argument is emotional abuse, just a step below holding a gun to his womans head. Anyone who doesn't think emotional abuse is as bad as physical abuse should educate themselves. It can be worse.

[keggy]

Reasonable? No. Acceptable? To whom? Legally it seems as though it was acceptable. MLB is not and should not act as the morality police.

 

The NFL and NBA suspend players all the time for legal but immoral behaviour off the field. The MLB suspended John Rocker for a month for making offensive comments about gays and minorities, which was not only completely legal, but protected under the First Amendment.

 

Like any business, the MLB is protecting its brand. If you want to be employed and paid by the MLB, you have to behave in whatever manner they deem appropriate.

[Boxcar]

I believe that what someone does during their private time should have no impact whatsoever on their employment. Unless of course the impacts of what they do mean they cannot do the job, such as landing in prison.

 

The fact that what one does during their private time, even when it doesn't affect ability to do their job, may be grounds for dismissal is simply a reflection of our subservience to corporate interests.

 

The issue I have with Chapman is primarily the shooting up of his garage after an argument is emotional abuse, just a step below holding a gun to his womans head. Anyone who doesn't think emotional abuse is as bad as physical abuse should educate themselves. It can be worse.

 

Intent matters. Unless you can determine that he intended to scare the s*** out of her, (given that he avoided physically harming her in the heat of the moment and was clearly very enraged, I find it unlikely) you can't make that argument imo. Sure, she was probably afraid but unless his intent was to make her afraid I'm not sure how you can punish him for it.

[Boxcar]

The NFL and NBA suspend players all the time for legal but immoral behaviour off the field. The MLB suspended John Rocker for a month for making offensive comments about gays and minorities, which was not only completely legal, but protected under the First Amendment.

 

Like any business, the MLB is protecting its brand. If you want to be employed and paid by the MLB, you have to behave in whatever manner they deem appropriate.

 

You make fair points. I really disagree with the process, though. I guess we'll see, but I would be very surprised if he came anywhere near Reyes...and tbh if they got the same amount of time, I'd feel like MLB is trivializing physical abuse.

[Krylian]

The NFL and NBA suspend players all the time for legal but immoral behaviour off the field. The MLB suspended John Rocker for a month for making offensive comments about gays and minorities, which was not only completely legal, but protected under the First Amendment.

 

Like any business, the MLB is protecting its brand. If you want to be employed and paid by the MLB, you have to behave in whatever manner they deem appropriate.

 

Yup.

[Dick_Pole]

There's also the small issue that employers only give a f*** about damaging their tech and losing your productivity while you're on the clock not about the morality of porn lmao

 

Remember during the summer some guy who worked at OPG got fired for saying that stupid "f*** you in the pussy" meme to a female reporter in front of cameras at a TFC game. So there is enough precedent for people getting admonished/fired at work for behaviour unbecoming to their employer, even outside of work hours and not using corporate resources, and not just famous people either.

[Jimcanuck]

Remember during the summer some guy who worked at OPG got fired for saying that stupid "f*** you in the pussy" meme to a female reporter in front of cameras at a TFC game. So there is enough precedent for people getting admonished/fired at work for behaviour unbecoming to their employer, even outside of work hours and not using corporate resources, and not just famous people either.

 

he got his job back. union went to work.