magits Verified Member Posted November 14, 2015 Posted November 14, 2015 The signing of Macro Estrada was great news for the Jays. But they still have two holes to fill in their starting rotation. Where is Felix Doubront? This guy was a reliable starter for a championship Red Sox team a few years ago and still possesses mlb stuff. In 2015 with the Jays he had a 3.35 FIP. The last mention I can find of him was in this July 2015 post on mlbtraderumors: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/felix-doubront Otherwise rotoworld suggests he is on a minor league contract right now with the cubs. It can't take much to trade for him and with him being at league minimum that would allow the Jays enough money to go for Greinke. Maybe the Cubs would be willing to do a Revere for Doubront type scenario if the Cubs threw in a couple million to compensate. 1. Greinke 2. Stroman 3. Doubront 4. Dickey 5. Estrada
Grant77 Old-Timey Member Posted November 14, 2015 Posted November 14, 2015 The signing of Macro Estrada was great news for the Jays. But they still have two holes to fill in their starting rotation. Where is Felix Doubront? This guy was a reliable starter for a championship Red Sox team a few years ago and still possesses mlb stuff. In 2015 with the Jays he had a 3.35 FIP. The last mention I can find of him was in this July 2015 post on mlbtraderumors: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/felix-doubront Otherwise rotoworld suggests he is on a minor league contract right now with the cubs. It can't take much to trade for him and with him being at league minimum that would allow the Jays enough money to go for Greinke. Maybe the Cubs would be willing to do a Revere for Doubront type scenario if the Cubs threw in a couple million to compensate. 1. Greinke 2. Stroman 3. Doubront 4. Dickey 5. Estrada He pitched against us with the A's, I think when Sonny Gray got scratched during the win streak, and looked really out of shape. I'd take him on a minor league deal, but if he's already signed then there are plenty of similar guys to go after. There's no point in trading for him in my opinion.
Nafro Verified Member Posted November 14, 2015 Posted November 14, 2015 The signing of Macro Estrada was great news for the Jays. But they still have two holes to fill in their starting rotation. Where is Felix Doubront? This guy was a reliable starter for a championship Red Sox team a few years ago and still possesses mlb stuff. In 2015 with the Jays he had a 3.35 FIP. The last mention I can find of him was in this July 2015 post on mlbtraderumors: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/felix-doubront Otherwise rotoworld suggests he is on a minor league contract right now with the cubs. It can't take much to trade for him and with him being at league minimum that would allow the Jays enough money to go for Greinke. Maybe the Cubs would be willing to do a Revere for Doubront type scenario if the Cubs threw in a couple million to compensate. 1. Greinke 2. Stroman 3. Doubront 4. Dickey 5. Estrada You want to trade Ben Revere to the Cubs for Felix Doubront? A) The cubs released Doubront last year than we picked him up...on a minor league contract. He is on the A's roster now, so you would have to work a trade with them. C) This would not be a wise move. There are about 30-50 better options than Felix Doubront.
TilsonBritoFan Verified Member Posted November 14, 2015 Posted November 14, 2015 I'm confused. You want Doubront to be our #3 starter ahead of Dickster and Marco?
candymartinez Verified Member Posted November 14, 2015 Posted November 14, 2015 Why did I click on this thread?
Krylian Old-Timey Member Posted November 14, 2015 Posted November 14, 2015 Chen or Zimmerman? Or both?
EMK19 Verified Member Posted November 14, 2015 Posted November 14, 2015 Why would anyone be willing to give up anything useful to trade for him at this point? I wouldn't mind him in the minors for depth but full time #5 starter...? Come on now.
Krylian Old-Timey Member Posted November 14, 2015 Posted November 14, 2015 Ideally, Dickey or Hutch is our #5. Meaning, i think we need 2 legit starters to be brought in... Via Free Agency I'm hoping. If you can do that... And have Hutch as your #6 potentially (or long man)... Then re-sign Lowe...I think we're in really good shape.
Grant77 Old-Timey Member Posted November 14, 2015 Posted November 14, 2015 Ideally, Dickey or Hutch is our #5. Meaning, i think we need 2 legit starters to be brought in... Via Free Agency I'm hoping. If you can do that... And have Hutch as your #6 potentially (or long man)... Then re-sign Lowe...I think we're in really good shape. Right now, we're in a position where we can win in 2016 and have sustained success. Signing 2 pitchers to long term deals throws all of that out the window. The best idea for us is probably to sign a guy like Iwakuma or Lackey to a short term deal and also bring in some competition. That could be Hill, Lincecum, Fister, Blanton, etc. or it could be through trade or shrewd minor league signings.
Krylian Old-Timey Member Posted November 14, 2015 Posted November 14, 2015 Right now, we're in a position where we can win in 2016 and have sustained success. Signing 2 pitchers to long term deals throws all of that out the window. The best idea for us is probably to sign a guy like Iwakuma or Lackey to a short term deal and also bring in some competition. That could be Hill, Lincecum, Fister, Blanton, etc. or it could be through trade or shrewd minor league signings. What does the starting rotation and pen look like if you had your way?
G-Snarls Community Moderator Posted November 14, 2015 Posted November 14, 2015 Say no to Felix Doubront
BlueJays20xx Verified Member Posted November 14, 2015 Posted November 14, 2015 Wow Doubront's name being brought back to discussion as a potential #3 SP, might as well talk about bringing Jo Jo Reyes back while at it.
Ehjays Verified Member Posted November 14, 2015 Posted November 14, 2015 The signing of Macro Estrada was great news for the Jays. But they still have two holes to fill in their starting rotation. Where is Felix Doubront? This guy was a reliable starter for a championship Red Sox team a few years ago and still possesses mlb stuff. In 2015 with the Jays he had a 3.35 FIP. The last mention I can find of him was in this July 2015 post on mlbtraderumors: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/felix-doubront Otherwise rotoworld suggests he is on a minor league contract right now with the cubs. It can't take much to trade for him and with him being at league minimum that would allow the Jays enough money to go for Greinke. Maybe the Cubs would be willing to do a Revere for Doubront type scenario if the Cubs threw in a couple million to compensate. 1. Greinke 2. Stroman 3. Doubront 4. Dickey 5. Estrada YOU have to be Felix Doubront in order to write this.
GeorgiaPeach Verified Member Posted November 14, 2015 Posted November 14, 2015 Right now, we're in a position where we can win in 2016 and have sustained success. Signing 2 pitchers to long term deals throws all of that out the window. The best idea for us is probably to sign a guy like Iwakuma or Lackey to a short term deal and also bring in some competition. That could be Hill, Lincecum, Fister, Blanton, etc. or it could be through trade or shrewd minor league signings. Lackey on a 2 or Iwakuma on a 3 year deal is too long for me. I'd rather have younger SP's signed for a little longer and still have the possibility of moving them. Lackey and Iwakuma are pretty much retiring as Jays if they get what they're looking for.
Governator Community Moderator Posted November 14, 2015 Posted November 14, 2015 lol. Pretty sure they backloaded Estrada's contract to avoid needling through the scrap pile.
Key22 Verified Member Posted November 15, 2015 Posted November 15, 2015 I agree with Krylian - The team is still in win now mode for the next 2-4 years and you kind of have to acquire win now pitchers and that's not 38 year olds off the scrap pile or various projects and lightning in a bottle types. Price/Greinke may be too much - fair enough but Chen and Zimmerman might be good targets as number 2 starters. With Stroman Chen Zimmerman Estrada Dickey And a pen of Osuna, Sanchez, Cecil, Loup, (FA signings = Tony Sipp, Darren O'Day, Carlos Villanueva for long man duty/spot starter) , Hendriks, Hutchison long man mop up/spot starter, etc
quizang Verified Member Posted November 15, 2015 Posted November 15, 2015 might as well do thole and dickey for Jeremy hellickson and used the saving to resign dioner navvaro
Dick_Pole Old-Timey Member Posted November 15, 2015 Posted November 15, 2015 I would rather role with Stroman Dickey Estrada Osuna Hutch/Sanchez Than any of the other proposals in this thread, except for Price/Grienke and bumping the payroll up by $20M. The scrap heap solutions will not work.
Grant77 Old-Timey Member Posted November 15, 2015 Posted November 15, 2015 What does the starting rotation and pen look like if you had your way? If I could take my pick from the FG projections, maybe something like this: Stroman Iwakuma (3/42) Dickey Estrada Sanchez/Osuna/Hutchison competition Osuna/Sanchez Cecil Lowe (2/8) Hendriks Loup Hill (1/6)/Blanton (1/4) Hutchison That way you get a number 2 starter who is as good as Zimmermann and better than Chen/Leake types in my opinion and a chance to start our young pitchers with experienced swing men as insurance.
Spanky__99 Old-Timey Member Posted November 15, 2015 Posted November 15, 2015 I agree with Krylian - The team is still in win now mode for the next 2-4 years and you kind of have to acquire win now pitchers and that's not 38 year olds off the scrap pile or various projects and lightning in a bottle types. Price/Greinke may be too much - fair enough but Chen and Zimmerman might be good targets as number 2 starters. With Stroman Chen Zimmerman Estrada Dickey And a pen of Osuna, Sanchez, Cecil, Loup, (FA signings = Tony Sipp, Darren O'Day, Carlos Villanueva for long man duty/spot starter) , Hendriks, Hutchison long man mop up/spot starter, etc How much money do you think they have? lol
Spanky__99 Old-Timey Member Posted November 15, 2015 Posted November 15, 2015 might as well do thole and dickey for Jeremy hellickson and used the saving to resign dioner navvaro Wat?
Spanky__99 Old-Timey Member Posted November 15, 2015 Posted November 15, 2015 If I could take my pick from the FG projections, maybe something like this: Stroman Iwakuma (3/42) Dickey Estrada Sanchez/Osuna/Hutchison competition Osuna/Sanchez Cecil Lowe (2/8) Hendriks Loup Hill (1/6)/Blanton (1/4) Hutchison That way you get a number 2 starter who is as good as Zimmermann and better than Chen/Leake types in my opinion and a chance to start our young pitchers with experienced swing men as insurance. Realism...
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