2015 Gold Gloves [Candidates Announced]

jaysfan2014 · October 29, 2015

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/155895822/gold-glove-award-finalists-announced?partnerId=as_mlb_20151029_54642966&adbid=659778254958559233&adbpl=tw&adbpr=18479513

AL

Pitcher:

Mark Buehrle

Sonny Gray

Dallas Keuchel

C:

Castro

Martin

Sal Perez

1B:

Hosmer

Napoli (WTF?)

Teixiera

2B:

Altuve

Dozier

Kinsler

SS:

Bogaerts

Escobar

Gregorius

3B:

Beltre

Longoria

Machado

LF:

Cespedes

Gardner

Gordon

CF:

Kiermaier

Pillar

Trout

RF

Calhoun

JD Martinez

Reddick

What's your thoughts?

burlingtonbandit · October 29, 2015

Interesting to see Martin a finalist for Catcher. He might have the best chance to win tbh. Pillar kind of gets screwed with KK. DK should win the Pitcher award.

Dr. Dinger · October 29, 2015

I mean obviously Goins should be there somewhere.

Harold Reynolds says so, so it must be.

Governator · October 29, 2015

Pillar won't get it since they changed the outfield GG winners to LF / CF / RF. You can't not give that to Kiermaier.

Krylian · October 29, 2015

I think the Jays get shut out.

BTS · October 29, 2015

Splitting the OF into three positions is dumn.

KingKat · October 29, 2015

Splitting the OF into three positions is dumn.

Yes. Casual Jays fans are going to rage over Pillar but it's the fault of that stupid change.

Angrioter · October 29, 2015

Splitting the OF into three positions is dumn.

JD Martinez over Pillar/Kiermaier is dumm

TheHurl · October 29, 2015

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/155895822/gold-glove-award-finalists-announced?partnerId=as_mlb_20151029_54642966&adbid=659778254958559233&adbpl=tw&adbpr=18479513

AL
Pitcher:
Mark Buehrle
Sonny Gray
Dallas Keuchel

C:
Castro
Martin
Sal Perez

1B:
Hosmer
Napoli (WTF?)
Teixiera

2B:
Altuve
Dozier
Kinsler

SS:
Bogaerts
Escobar
Gregorius

3B:
Beltre
Longoria
Machado

LF:
Cespedes
Gardner
Gordon

CF:
Kiermaier
Pillar
Trout

RF
Calhoun
JD Martinez
Reddick

What's your thoughts?

Longo over Donaldson is a bit of an oversight IMO. Moreland overlooked at 1B, as was Chris Davis. Where is Forsythe at 2nd...why am I bothering these don't matter at all.

CHRIS · October 29, 2015

Splitting the OF into three positions is dumn.

Yes. Pillar being gamed for being too good to rot in one of the corners.

BigCecil · October 29, 2015

The GG awards are mostly a joke. Not sure why anyone cares ever.

CHRIS · October 29, 2015

The GG awards are mostly a joke.

Rafael Palmeiro (visualize: emphatic finger pointing) disagrees with this.

reedjohnsonfan · October 30, 2015

In the midst of all the AA/Shapiro talk, maybe people missed that the gold glove finalists are out:

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/155895822/gold-glove-award-finalists-announced

3 Jays Buehrle, Martin and obviously Pillar are nominated. I think Pillar has a decent chance of beating Kiermaier, even if he might not deserve to. I haven't seen Kiermaier's highlight reel for the whole season, but haven't seen a player make that many great catches in a long time. His riskiness really paid off this season and it would be nice for him to take home the gold. Not sure about the other two.

Travis_Snider · October 30, 2015

http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/5720-2015-Gold-Gloves-Candidates-Announced

reedjohnsonfan · October 30, 2015

Didn't see that, already fell way down the page lol. I guess nobody gives a s*** and only cares about Mark Shapiro ATM.

BigCecil · October 30, 2015

Even without Shapiro/AA news I'm not sure many people give a s*** about GGS bud.

reedjohnsonfan · October 30, 2015

Even without Shapiro/AA news I'm not sure many people give a s*** about GGS bud.

Ha that is fair enough. I'd like to see Pillar win, but not a big deal.

BigCecil · October 30, 2015

Ha that is fair enough. I'd like to see Pillar win, but not a big deal.

Ya...me too....because he is an underdog who doesn't get a ton of notice. But KK is a lock.

Slugger · October 30, 2015

Pillar obviously had a fantastic defensive season but it's hard to put him ahead of Kiermaier. It would be nice to see Buehrle win again.

I could see Pillar winning because of the post season exposure. Voters love that s***.

BTS · October 30, 2015

I could see Pillar winning because of the post season exposure. Voters love that s***.

Voting takes place before the playoffs.

Slugger · October 30, 2015

Voting takes place before the playoffs.

Yeah, but I'm an idiot.

Grant77 · October 30, 2015

Bogaerts got nominated for shortstop? He's an average shortstop if I've ever seen one, poor range with a pretty good arm and glove. Where the hell are Iglesias, Lindor, or Hardy? They contributed far more defensively.

TheHurl · October 30, 2015

Bogaerts got nominated for shortstop? He's an average shortstop if I've ever seen one, poor range with a pretty good arm and glove. Where the hell are Iglesias, Lindor, or Hardy? They contributed far more defensively.

Iglesias...by the metrics had a worse year.

Lindor...not eligible (5 games short)

Hardy...an argument could be made but he was barely eligible and there isn't a huge difference here.

Grant77 · October 30, 2015

Iglesias...by the metrics had a worse year.
Lindor...not eligible (5 games short)
Hardy...an argument could be made but he was barely eligible and there isn't a huge difference here.

I prefer to look at UZR/150 to determine the actual quality of the defense. The metrics you are using are like using hits to evaluate a hitter instead of batting average.

Bogaerts was a perfectly average 0.9 in 2015 and was well below average in 2014. It's possible that he's not even an average defender, though I won't go that far. He's a very big man and lacks range, but makes up for some of that with a solid arm and footwork. I think he'll be at third base before Sandoval's contract expires to be honest.

Hardy was the best in the league by a significant margin at 10.1 and Iglesias is 4th at 3.1, though his numbers in past years have been much better and I personally think he's an excellent shortstop. I think it's a pretty wide gap between these two and Bogaerts and that it was a big oversight by the voters.

TheHurl · October 30, 2015

I prefer to look at UZR/150 to determine the actual quality of the defense. The metrics you are using are like using hits to evaluate a hitter instead of batting average.

Bogaerts was a perfectly average 0.9 in 2015 and was well below average in 2014. It's possible that he's not even an average defender, though I won't go that far. He's a very big man and lacks range, but makes up for some of that with a solid arm and footwork. I think he'll be at third base before Sandoval's contract expires to be honest.

Hardy was the best in the league by a significant margin at 10.1 and Iglesias is 4th at 3.1, though his numbers in past years have been much better and I personally think he's an excellent shortstop. I think it's a pretty wide gap between these two and Bogaerts and that it was a big oversight by the voters.

both DRS and UZR rely on hit location data, the difference being the one year +/- system rather than years of data about the difficulty of the play. More often than not they are going to be in agreement with each other. I can understand using UZR/150 but I can also understand giving a nod to a guy that played 160 games, compared to 110. Hardy is the better defender, and if he were there I'd have no issue with Hardy being there. Lindor is the future at AL SS on the defensive side, with the two other great young SS being probably average on the defensive side.

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