Can Alex Anthopoulos and Shapiro coexist for long period of time?

[Laika]

-consistently one of MLB's lowest payrolls.

 

No wonder Rogers wanted to bring him in! Cheap bassturds!

[jaysfan2014]

The low payrolls were by necessity--Cleveland is one of MLB's smallest markets. And BTW, the 2005 team would've made the postseason in the 2nd wild card format.. they went 93-69, yet missed the playoffs due to Chicago's dominance.

 

After the core pieces of the 1995-2001 dynasty left, the franchise was a wreck. This team right now is comparable to the Rays.. good pitching in the system, but unable to buy bats due to attendance careening after 2001, as the love affair with Jacobs Field wore off, as the team failed to win a World Series. If they could develop some hitting, this Indians team would improve immensely.

[magits]

lol, he's not, and he never was.

 

More accurately, the tension for him has been scouting based player evaluation vs. analytics based player evaluation.

 

IMO Alex's Greatest strengths are:

 

1. Drafting (scouting)

2. Relationship building. All of his greatest trades have been accomplished by him being doggedly persistent, constantly checking in, phoning, and squeezing the most out of other GM's. It's a skill that is very valuable.

 

I really think Shapiro and Anthopolous is a dream combination.

[Dr. Dinger]

IMO Alex's Greatest strengths are:

 

1. Drafting (scouting)

2. Relationship building. All of his greatest trades have been accomplished by him being doggedly persistent, constantly checking in, phoning, and squeezing the most out of other GM's. It's a skill that is very valuable.

 

I really think Shapiro and Anthopolous is a dream combination.

 

Really? I'd put trading and contract negotiations as his two biggest strengths.

[Dr. Dinger]

His trades, by most accounts, are more about persistence than good relations.

[magits]

Really? I'd put trading and contract negotiations as his two biggest strengths.

 

Good trades are the result of relationship building/persistence with other GM's. And yeah contract negotiations would be another strength, although his best contract negotiations were when he had leverage (Bautista after one year, Edwin after one year). I guess the Martin contract was good although he may not be worth his price tag in a few years.

[magits]

His trades, by most accounts, are more about persistence than good relations.

 

Two sides of the same coin IMO.

[GD]

Hernandez might be useful too.

 

He hits the ball f***ing hard. Statcast God, although that might not mean a ton.

[Laika]

Regarding AA's attitude towards scouting vs. analytics. I think he weighs both about the same. I think on the surface, the Estrada move looks old school but what scout would look at Estrada, see that homerun rate and decide it was a good idea to put him in the Rogers Centre? I think any scout goes, "That Estrada guy there, gives up alot of long balls huh? We're gonna have to replace some of the windows up there in the outfield then hahahahaha".

 

On the contrary, he could have just been fapping over the 80 grades he was seeing put on Estrada's changeup.

 

If someone tells you a SP has a 50 FB, 80 CH, fringe-average CU, and plus command, generally that = a quality SP. He'd also had some success in the past.

 

So it could have been a thoroughly scouting based acquisition, for all we know.

 

He did say publicly that getting Smoak was pretty much all on the analytics guys.

[BTS]

One thing you can say regarding Anthoupolus that you couldn't say a year ago is that he hasn't made moves recently that actively suggest that he places no value on analytics. There was a stretch of about two years where the only way his process made sense was if he ignored the nerds completely. It's probably been at least a calendar year since one of those.

[Dr. Dinger]

On the contrary, he could have just been fapping over the 80 grades he was seeing put on Estrada's changeup.

 

If someone tells you a SP has a 50 FB, 80 CH, fringe-average CU, and plus command, generally that = a quality SP. He'd also had some success in the past.

 

So it could have been a thoroughly scouting based acquisition, for all we know.

 

Except when Estrada was acquired, it was as a long reliever. It took Stroman getting hurt and Sanchez and Norris sucking for Estrada to get his shot in the rotation, so let's not pretend AA saw this career season coming.

[Dr. Dinger]

One thing you can say regarding Anthoupolus that you couldn't say a year ago is that he hasn't made moves recently that actively suggest that he places no value on analytics. There was a stretch of about two years where the only way his process made sense was if he ignored the nerds completely. It's probably been at least a calendar year since one of those.

 

Martin is a strongly analytics-based signing, IMO.

[Laika]

Except when Estrada was acquired, it was as a long reliever. It took Stroman getting hurt and Sanchez and Norris sucking for Estrada to get his shot in the rotation, so let's not pretend AA saw this career season coming.

 

Yeah they probably just figured he could start and hold the fort down for ~20 games or so when inevitably called upon.

[FrozenRopes]

Just have to say, it is so refreshing to read intelligent baseball banter. No homo, but some of these threads are terrific. As for coexisting, I don't believe it will last. With Beeston, AA ran the show. He won't have that control anymore.

[Dr. Dinger]

Just have to say, it is so refreshing to read intelligent baseball banter. No homo, but some of these threads are terrific. As for coexisting, I don't believe it will last. With Beeston, AA ran the show. He won't have that control anymore.

 

Wat?

[FrozenRopes]

Wat?

 

It means I like the guys in this forum but not that way. Not that there is anything wrong with that

[Dr. Dinger]

It means I like the guys in this forum but not that way. Not that there is anything wrong with that

 

Then why the f*** would you write that?

[Maahfaace]

The Kemp trade was a franchise saving maneuver. Imagine the Wells trade for Toronto, but if Toronto had have kept Napoli. And then imagine that Napoli at the time was a 26 year old two-way player with four years of control left. And then also imagine that Toronto somehow got two mediocre pitching prospects thrown in, for shits and giggles.

 

Most lopsided trade of the millennium?

 

Kemp will make $21M per year through 2019 and he will probably be a replacement level player for most of that time. Grandal might be a top 5 catcher in baseball.

 

The Dodgers ate 32 million in the trade, so his salary isnt quite 21 million per, its around 15 million per in Padre commitment.....still a super lopsided trade though

[BTS]

Then why the f*** would you write that?

 

Maybe he wants the forum's huge female population to know he's available?

[Dr. Dinger]

Maybe he wants the forum's huge female population to know he's available?

 

There are more gays here than females. I don't even think we have one confirmed female.

[King]

There are more gays here than females. I don't even think we have one confirmed female.

 

Leaffie, vdubmvp, O2BRED

[BTS]

There are more gays here than females. I don't even think we have one confirmed female.

 

I think leaffie is the only one.

[GD]

I think leaffie is the only one.

 

vdub dumn dumn

[BTS]

vdub dumn dumn

 

I have no idea who that is.

[KingKat]

I think leaffie is the only one.

 

VDub4MVP has been female her entire life.

[Jonn]

VDub4MVP has been female her entire life.

 

Is that confirmed though?

[Dr. Dinger]

No hetero, but leaffie is a really good poster.

[Maahfaace]

[dineke]

Is that confirmed though?

 

Is it confirmed that the people on here are human not robots?

[Laika]

 

How the f*** does the original Show Me Your Genitals only have 32k views!!!!????!!!????