Offseason Roster Thread

[Dr. Dinger]

I wouldn't say thats the case. There are relievers who are very tough on RHH who are going to give a team a significant advantage if the opposing team has all RHH.

 

Wade Davis and Dellin Betances are tough on everybody. We had the best offense baseball has seen in over a decade.

[Dr. Dinger]

How many people here would trade Donaldson for Carrasco and Salazer

 

Ewwwwwwwwww.

[Frenchsoup]

.342 obp with 31 sb full season

 

Travis needs to spend a year down in the order

 

Why? Put your best players where they can affect the game more often.

[Frenchsoup]

How many people here would trade Donaldson for Carrasco and Salazer

 

I think that would be a pretty easy move for the jays to make.

[RealAccountant]

Travis had a babip of .347 in the 238 PA sample size. It's very easy to forget that

[dineke]

Goins is terrible. It's easy to forget that.

[dineke]

I think that would be a pretty easy move for the jays to make.

 

No it isn't.

[CHRIS]

Why? Put your best players where they can affect the game more often.

 

Yes.

 

I liked what they did with Tulo/Revere once Tulo was acquired. At some point though, Revere got cemented into the leadoff position. I get that once you get into the playoffs you don't want to start trying a whole lot of new things, but I wonder how the last game would have ended with JD and Bautista as the final two guys rather than Revere and JD (fully aware Revere got jobbed on that strike call).

[Slugger]

Move the sell high guys first off. Move Revere. Pompey can replace him but probably he's an upgrade. Save the 6M.

 

Move Goins. Someone will want him to be their SS for the next 5 years. As it is now he's a bench player for us. Pennington can play his role as a backup MI. You can try to get something for Colabello. Doubt there's much interest. Probably just keep him.

 

Then there's Pillar. Fangraphs wrote an article talking about who might be the biggest beneficiaries in FA if certain teams win the WS. Well, whether KC wins it all or not, they have a certain type of ideal player and everyone knows what that is by now. Will teams be actively looking for those guys? Is Pillar one of those guys? I think he is. I think his market could be way, way larger than we think.

 

What if the Indians want to fill their absolute black hole of a CF position with a guy like Pillar (They've watched KC up close for a couple years now. Is their new management smart or dumb, I forget). We know the usual trade targets on that team.

 

Also, I think you add wins if Bautista moves to 1B and you find an athletic guy for RF, or create some sort of platoon out there.

 

I would be quite hesitant to trade Pillar. There's no reason to, really.

[Laika]

Yes.

 

I liked what they did with Tulo/Revere once Tulo was acquired. At some point though, Revere got cemented into the leadoff position. I get that once you get into the playoffs you don't want to start trying a whole lot of new things, but I wonder how the last game would have ended with JD and Bautista as the final two guys rather than Revere and JD (fully aware Revere got jobbed on that strike call).

 

Playing for the tie, Revere might actually have been the optimal guy for Toronto to have up in that spot. His contact% was the best on the team and all they needed was almost any ball in play, so long as it wasn't a pop up or a sharp grounder right at someone.

[Frenchsoup]

Travis had a babip of .347 in the 238 PA sample size. It's very easy to forget that

 

The kid goes opposite field, hits a ton of line drives, runs well, played to many games hurt. He's likely to have a pretty high babip like he did in the minors.

[Dr. Dinger]

Donaldson starting to make money. Carrasco and Salazar are both pretty awesome with a ton of upside, I'd do it.

 

Carrasco and Salazar combined for 7.9 WAR while Donaldson had 8.7. But why keep an elite position player when you can trade him for two starting pitchers with histories of major injuries? Any time you can trade one elite asset for two lesser, riskier assets, you do it.

[Laika]

Still fun to think about a potential JD package, since he'd be one of the most valuable commodities in baseball and if he was put on the block he'd be the most valuable available commodity in baseball.

 

Dodgers - would shift Turner to 2B to accommodate Donaldson

 

Huge chips to pick from: Puig, Seager, Pederson, De Leon, Urias

 

I wonder if Toronto could get multiple of them ^ for Donaldson? And then guys like Grant Holmes, Kiki Hernandez, Alex Guerrero, Jose Peraza, Yimi Garcia, Chris Hatcher, Austin Barnes could be in the mix too.

[Dr. Dinger]

Still fun to think about a potential JD package, since he'd be one of the most valuable commodities in baseball and if he was put on the block he'd be the most valuable available commodity in baseball.

 

Dodgers - would shift Turner to 2B to accommodate Donaldson

 

Huge chips to pick from: Puig, Seager, Pederson, De Leon, Urias

 

I wonder if Toronto could get multiple of them ^ for Donaldson? And then guys like Grant Holmes, Kiki Hernandez, Alex Guerrero, Jose Peraza, Yimi Garcia, Chris Hatcher could be in the mix too.

 

Hell, if I could get Seager and Urias, that would be pretty hard to turn down.

[BTS]

Still fun to think about a potential JD package, since he'd be one of the most valuable commodities in baseball and if he was put on the block he'd be the most valuable available commodity in baseball.

 

Dodgers - would shift Turner to 2B to accommodate Donaldson

 

Huge chips to pick from: Puig, Seager, Pederson, De Leon, Urias

 

I wonder if Toronto could get multiple of them ^ for Donaldson? And then guys like Grant Holmes, Kiki Hernandez, Alex Guerrero, Jose Peraza, Yimi Garcia, Chris Hatcher, Austin Barnes could be in the mix too.

 

I could see LA doing Puig + Urias or De Leon.

[Laika]

I could see LA doing Puig + Urias or De Leon.

 

AA probably has Puig blacklisted though, lol.

[burlingtonbandit]

I could see LA doing Puig + Urias or De Leon.

 

Couldn't see Toronto doing it. If LA wants to get rid of him because of how terrible he is in the clubhouse Toronto sure as hell wouldn't want him.

[jaysblue]

Donaldson starting to make money. Carrasco and Salazar are both pretty awesome with a ton of upside, I'd do it.

 

Meh and one of those guys blow their arm out?

[burlingtonbandit]

I think your underestimating how much money Donaldson will get in arb. Carrasco you have 5 years of cheap control. Salazar you have 3-4 years of control, that is a lot of control over two frontline pitchers. You will also have money to replace Donald at 3rd base. Anyways this will never happen lol.

 

The issue is its 2 pitchers who could blow out their arm and then you are left with paying them money for nothing. Control doesn't matter for pitchers in the same way it does for position players.

[Laika]

Well you obviously have to believe in there mechanics/ability to stay healthy. Carrasco has been a bit injury prone, some of it bad luck(hit in the head last year). Salazar has been fine though. It's a risky trade from both sides, which is why it wouldn't happen.

 

Both of them have TJS in their history, FWIW.

[Spanky__99]

 

Hah!

[GeorgiaPeach]

I think that we should wait until next year to label Bautista as a 1B/DH going forward. The UZR numbers took a downturn, but a lot of that stems from an 8 run decline in arm strength, due to the injury. He returned to being one of the premiere RF arms in the second half. The decline in range numbers is more concerning, but the eye test tells you it wasn't from a lack of footspeed, as is the concern with other older guys like Beltran. Rather, it seemed to me that his problem was taking bad routes and dropping balls. That's more of a mental thing that he hasn't had major problems with before, so I'm optimistic that he can sort some of it out.

 

The eye test for me on Bautista for years has been concerning. He's not a pretty sight in the field. It's all improvisation with a strong arm.

[o2cui2i]

The eye test for me on Bautista for years has been concerning. He's not a pretty sight in the field. It's all improvisation with a strong arm.

 

have to agree, his reads are not very good and he takes some bad routes, but his arm had been really good. After the injury he had 2 good throws in 1 game and then back to limp arm again. Without the big arm he's not even replacement level in RF

[Laika]

have to agree, his reads are not very good and he takes some bad routes, but his arm had been really good. After the injury he had 2 good throws in 1 game and then back to limp arm again. Without the big arm he's not even replacement level in RF

 

Why aren't you interested in board diversity?

[Laika]

have to agree, his reads are not very good and he takes some bad routes, but his arm had been really good. After the injury he had 2 good throws in 1 game and then back to limp arm again. Without the big arm he's not even replacement level in RF

 

Why do you like to pretend that minorities don't exist in the world of baseball discussion?

[o2cui2i]

Why do you like to pretend that minorities don't exist in the world of baseball discussion?

 

just because you are comfortable talking about it doesn't mean everyone else is in that position. this forum has a lot of childish people who would love to have new reasons to torment people, we shouldn't be giving them fuel.

 

people trash other posters when they find out they are older... or on GD for being a teenager or because the person comes from new market or isn't canadian or because they like Tampa. We are more diversified than most think, but many don't bring it up openly because they see how people here react. Cecil made the mistake of posting a pic with family members portrayed in the pic and the response from some in here was disgusting.

 

 

that is why we leave those things to the people who are different. we accept for who they are no matter what and if they choose to talk to anyone here about personal things they can do it of their own accord.

[Laika]

just because you are comfortable talking about it doesn't mean everyone else is in that position. this forum has a lot of childish people who would love to have new reasons to torment people, we shouldn't be giving them fuel.

 

people trash other posters when they find out they are older... or on GD for being a teenager or because the person comes from new market or isn't canadian or because they like Tampa. We are more diversified than most think, but many don't bring it up openly because they see how people here react. Cecil made the mistake of posting a pic with family members portrayed in the pic and the response from some in here was disgusting.

 

 

that is why we leave those things to the people who are different. we accept for who they are no matter what and if they choose to talk to anyone here about personal things they can do it of their own accord.

 

You realize that the poll was optional and anonymous?

 

You dumb Swede...

[BTS]

What the hell is going on in this thread?

[Laika]

What the hell is going on in this thread?

 

#ModShow spillover

 

The Swedish Joe West of baseball forum moderation is censoring me

[Dr. Dinger]

Lol ok I liked the Joe West crack, that's good.