Offseason Roster Thread

[burlingtonbandit]

Surprised at how many people want to trade Revere. The team finally has a lot of OF depth, why get rid of it? Bautista looked awful in RF and Pompey is probably best as a 4th OF until he proves he can handle more. Revere is a league-average LF, and at ~6.5M he's not expensive.

 

Saunders is probably the better option since he will be 4-5 million cheaper and is the much better talent. Keep Pompey for depth when Saunders or someone else gets hurt.

[Scion]

There will probably be 20+ teams interested in Zobrist. I think he'll sign a very lucrative contract for someone entering their age 35 season. 4 year deal should be easy to obtain. His camp will probably be looking at the V-Mart extension, which was 4/$68 for Martinez' age 36-39 seasons.

 

Also recently, we saw Nelson Cruz get 4/$57 entering his age 34 season.

 

Ben Zobrist is a completely different player than those two. Arguably, he would be expected to age better and have a better chance of maintaining his value as he gets ancient.

 

Could get five years!

 

I was hoping you might say something closer to 3 years/45M. It seems unlikely that the Jays will allocate that much money on a position player with two glaring holes in the rotation.

[Scion]

If I were the Jays I'd throw 3 years/60M at Iwakuma with a club option for the 4th year. I'd also see if Doug Fister could be enticed to sign a cheap one year deal to try and rebuild his value. Jordan Zimmerman is another guy who really interests me, but I'm unsure if Rogers will open up the purse strings enough to make a competitive offer.

 

Marcus Stroman

Hisashi Iwakuma

Marco Estrada (QO)

Drew Hutchison

R.A. Dickey

Doug Fister

[baubau]

If I were the Jays I'd throw 3 years/60M at Iwakuma with a club option for the 4th year. I'd also see if Doug Fister could be enticed to sign a cheap one year deal to try and rebuild his value. Jordan Zimmerman is another guy who really interests me, but I'm unsure if Rogers will open up the purse strings enough to make a competitive offer.

 

You'd throw $20M a year over 3 years for Iwakuma? Maybe its me, but that seems redonk.

[Scion]

Saunders is probably the better option since he will be 4-5 million cheaper and is the much better talent. Keep Pompey for depth when Saunders or someone else gets hurt.

 

I'm with BTS, the added depth is a good thing over a 162 game season. I'd also like to believe that the budget will increase enough that 6.5M isn't the difference between adding an impact arm and standing pat.

[o2cui2i]

Surprised at how many people want to trade Revere. The team finally has a lot of OF depth, why get rid of it? Bautista looked awful in RF and Pompey is probably best as a 4th OF until he proves he can handle more. Revere is a league-average LF, and at ~6.5M he's not expensive.

 

I'd disagree on league average. plus speed, plus reads, plus routes, minus arm, but he's smart enough to throw to the right base and know what his role is. then you can add in a .300 hitter who doesn't K and an elite base stealer, We can start the year rotating Jose between RF and 1st base and Pompey place the days he is at first. after may Jose is the every day 1st base and ED is the every day DH from game 1. Cola is our back up first baseman and bench bat. very good piece to have on the field. MIddlr infield id Travis and Tulo. Goins can back up and maybe play later game defense to keep Travis fresh. Travis can also give Tulo at least half a day off every week.

[burlingtonbandit]

As much as I like Iwakuma I wouldn't give him 60 million. He will turn 35 by the time the season starts and even though he's been great 60 million seems like a ton. I'd try to see if I could get him on a 2 year deal with the same AAV maybe stretch it a little higher.

[Scion]

You'd throw $20M a year over 3 years for Iwakuma? Maybe its me, but that seems redonk.

 

Iwakuma has been worth upwards of 3 WAR/200 IP the last three seasons, and Steamers projects him to be worth 3.5 WAR in 2016. The age is a bit of a concern, but I figure that the value Iwakuma can reasonably be expected to provide in the first two years of the deal will offset any decline in year three.

[Scion]

As much as I like Iwakuma I wouldn't give him 60 million. He will turn 35 by the time the season starts and even though he's been great 60 million seems like a ton. I'd try to see if I could get him on a 2 year deal with the same AAV maybe stretch it a little higher.

 

You definitely start with two years and a lower salary, but I doubt that gets it done on the open market.

[L54]

Iwakuma has been worth upwards of 3 WAR/200 IP the last three seasons, and Steamers projects him to be worth 3.5 WAR in 2016. The age is a bit of a concern, but I figure that the value Iwakuma can reasonably be expected to provide in the first two years of the deal will offset any decline in year three.

 

Iwakuma would be great but I really think he'll be staying put in Seattle. There is a reason they wouldn't even deal him at the deadline.

[BTS]

Kuma is awesome, but his injury history is worrisome. I don't trust him to throw close to 600 IP in the next 3 years. I think 2/30 or 3/45 is more realistic.

[burlingtonbandit]

I'm with BTS, the added depth is a good thing over a 162 game season. I'd also like to believe that the budget will increase enough that 6.5M isn't the difference between adding an impact arm and standing pat.

 

If Revere comes back Saunders is likely gone. My stance on it was that I'd rather have Saunders for 4 million cheaper because I think Saunders will outproduce Revere in 90 games than Revere in 140. Since you have Pompey as Depth then I think you take the higher risk/higher reward who happens to be cheaper.

[BTS]

If Revere comes back Saunders is likely gone. My stance on it was that I'd rather have Saunders for 4 million cheaper because I think Saunders will outproduce Revere in 90 games than Revere in 140. Since you have Pompey as Depth then I think you take the higher risk/higher reward who happens to be cheaper.

 

I'm surprised you think Saunders will be better. He's older than Revere, and has been the worse player over their respective careers, without even considering his injury issues this year.

[GD]

2/26+1/13 team option for Kuma sounds pretty reasonable

[Scion]

I know it's an unpopular choice, but J.A. Happ is another interesting target. Since moving to Pittsburgh it seems like he has made a legitimate change to his arsenal by introducing more cutters and throwing less off speed pitches which resulted in some success, albeit over a SSS. The bonus is that Happ likely won't command very much money or term because of his limited sample of success.

[o2cui2i]

I'm surprised you think Saunders will be better. He's older than Revere, and has been the worse player over their respective careers, without even considering his injury issues this year.

 

only down side with Revere is that he has a noodle arm. otherwise he's a very good defender as well as a .300 hitter over his career and an amazing base stealer. .

[L54]

I know it's an unpopular choice, but J.A. Happ is another interesting target. Since moving to Pittsburgh it seems like he has made a legitimate change to his arsenal by introducing more cutters and throwing less off speed pitches which resulted in some success, albeit over a SSS. The bonus is that Happ likely won't command very much money or term because of his limited sample of success.

 

Yup, would definitely be in on Happ.

[Solaxys]

I might get staked for this, but should we trade EE (Might not sit well with Bautista, shrugs) & Collabello/Smoak?

 

Nothing to take away from Bautista, I think he clearly wanted to make it big on the post season and tried to do heroic things (most that did not pan out), but I feel he would be better at 1B (especially as he ages).

That sets up a strong diamond both offensively and defensively: Donaldson, Tulowitzki, Travis, Bautista, Martin.

 

Goins for SS/2B Backup

Collabello/Smoak for 1B Backup

[Need a 3B Backup]

Thole for C Backup

 

Of course we can make the case for EE staying in DH, but I feel like we are such a heavy right handed line up that perhaps we should pick up a LH Bat (power or otherwise - Chris Davis for example).

EE has one more year of manageable salary as well so can be a very tempting asset for other clubs.

Collabello also has been amazing for us this year, but at the same time, I feel this might be his ceiling and trading him now would net us something strong.

Just think both similar to Lind trade.

 

Just some thoughts.

 

Also for pitching, Latos & Leake are free-agents as well.

[Scion]

If Revere comes back Saunders is likely gone. My stance on it was that I'd rather have Saunders for 4 million cheaper because I think Saunders will outproduce Revere in 90 games than Revere in 140. Since you have Pompey as Depth then I think you take the higher risk/higher reward who happens to be cheaper.

 

I would retain Saunders and utilize him as the 4th OF until Pompey forced my hand. I wouldn't rule out utilizing Saunders in a 1B platoon with Colabello either.

[Scion]

Kuma is awesome, but his injury history is worrisome. I don't trust him to throw close to 600 IP in the next 3 years. I think 2/30 or 3/45 is more realistic.

 

Is that how much money you would offer Iwakuma, or what you expect him to command on the open market?

[burlingtonbandit]

I'm surprised you think Saunders will be better. He's older than Revere, and has been the worse player over their respective careers, without even considering his injury issues this year.

 

I really like Saunders LH bat who hits RHP much much better than Revere does. Also think they are pretty close to the same Defender in LF with Saunders being able to spell Bautista in RF while Revere can't with his arm.

 

That said if the Jays see that Saunder's knee doesn't look good that obviously changes things.

[L54]

I would retain Saunders and utilize him as the 4th OF until Pompey forced my hand. I wouldn't rule out utilizing Saunders in a 1B platoon with Colabello either.

 

I had the same thought re: Saunders at 1B. Would eliminate Smoak but not sure how passable the D would be. He's athletic enough that it might not be a huge problem for him. Would allow some nice versatility and flexibility keeping Revere around too.

 

C-Martin

1B-Colabello

2B-Travis

SS-Tulo

3B-Donaldson

LF-Revere/Saunders

CF-Pillar

RF-Bautista

DH-Edwin

 

2B/SS-Goins

OF-Pompey

OF-Revere/Saunders

C-Thole?

 

Still need someone to back up at third base though.

[burlingtonbandit]

I had the same thought re: Saunders at 1B. Would eliminate Smoak but not sure how passable the D would be. He's athletic enough that it might not be a huge problem for him. Would allow some nice versatility and flexibility keeping Revere around too.

 

C-Martin

1B-Colabello

2B-Travis

SS-Tulo

3B-Donaldson

LF-Revere/Saunders

CF-Pillar

RF-Bautista

DH-Edwin

 

2B/SS-Goins

OF-Pompey

OF-Revere/Saunders

C-Thole?

 

Still need someone to back up at third base though.

 

Goins can backup 3rd base?

[Cyborg]

I'm surprised you think Saunders will be better. He's older than Revere, and has been the worse player over their respective careers, without even considering his injury issues this year.

Saunders is like way better than Revere. Your dumn.

[BTS]

Saunders is like way better than Revere. Your dumn.

 

Then you're getting demolished by a dumn guy in the WTPDL this week. Feel good?

[Cyborg]

Then you're getting demolished by a dumn guy in the WTPDL this week. Feel good?

Your just a lucky dumn dumn. My team scored 4 goals on 101 shots (!).

[Cyborg]

I had the same thought re: Saunders at 1B. Would eliminate Smoak but not sure how passable the D would be. He's athletic enough that it might not be a huge problem for him. Would allow some nice versatility and flexibility keeping Revere around too.

 

C-Martin

1B-Colabello

2B-Travis

SS-Tulo

3B-Donaldson

LF-Revere/Saunders

CF-Pillar

RF-Bautista

DH-Edwin

 

2B/SS-Goins

OF-Pompey

OF-Revere/Saunders

C-Thole?

 

Still need someone to back up at third base though.

Hague. He's out of options anyways. He's essentially a poor man's Valencia. Rakes lefties, can play passable 3B, 1B, and corner OF.

[BTS]

Your just a lucky dumn dumn. My team scored 4 goals on 101 shots (!).

 

Maybe get better shooters. Also, goalies that don't suck.

[Cyborg]

Maybe get better shooters. Also, goalies that don't suck.

Goalies are all luck. True talent spread is like .005 SV% dumn dumn.

[BTS]

Goalies are all luck. True talent spread is like .005 SV% dumn dumn.

 

Your winning % is like 33% in a league of people that don't watch hockey, so I'm going to assume this is wrong.