Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[Spanky__99]

Good approach. Better than spanky and boxy and others bringing up the idea of Jay's as 2020 contenders.

 

Again, cementhead, lets wait to see what happens come ST.

[Spanky__99]

Can you guys just f*** already and get it over with God Damn.

 

Easy, Jonn. This fetish you have is off the rails.

[Jonn]

Easy, Jonn. This fetish you have is off the rails.

 

Don’t kink shame me in the current year.

[Spanky__99]

Don’t kink shame me in the current year.

 

I don't know man, you told me and Deadpool a little while back the same s***, slow down ya cretin.

[Bobthe4th]

Next season is going to suck as well. People are getting themselves up for a let down if they think otherwise. I think they will spend as little money as they possibly can and focus on short term deals for a veteran starters and relievers to fill out spots and trade them at the deadline. I can see them bringing back someone like Edwin Encarnacion to be a veteran for the younger players and finish his career with the Jays. Also fills a need a 1B/DH. I would love to see them bring in a bring in a veteran Outfielder that actually gets on base. But that’s unlikely with the current glut of them on the 40-man.

 

The team will be basically be the team we have now supplemented by a couple veteran starters and relievers mostly:

 

Bingo.

[Barkerfan23]

So far, and if it has changed but not reported,

 

Both Atkins and Shapiro are lame duck next year. That could change. So far though they are both without contracts 2020 and beyond.

 

Seems to me they might be willing to try a thing or two to keep their jobs.

[Krylian]

So far, and if it has changed but not reported,

 

Both Atkins and Shapiro are lame duck next year. That could change. So far though they are both without contracts 2020 and beyond.

 

Seems to me they might be willing to try a thing or two to keep their jobs.

 

I think they're both extended this off-season.

[Barkerfan23]

I think they're both extended this off-season.

 

You shouldn't have to wait too long to find out

[Jimcanuck]

So, legit contending in 2020. Let's say the Jays do the super highly unlikely and sign both Cole and Rendon. Are they now legit contenders? Offhand, I say no, not really.

[glory]

The Jays can sign good free agents to reasonable deals to simply increase the talent on the roster, but outside of that, contention depends entirely on how the young players develop, and right now the guy we all pegged as the franchise player is slightly above replacement level in his rookie season (w/ weight and conditioning issues). As much as I don't want to see another rebuilding year as a fan, it's hard to picture a realistic off season that takes a 95-100 loss team into contention in the AL East.

[KevinGregg]

Next season is going to suck as well. People are getting themselves up for a let down if they think otherwise. I think they will spend as little money as they possibly can and focus on short term deals for a veteran starters and relievers to fill out spots and trade them at the deadline. I can see them bringing back someone like Edwin Encarnacion to be a veteran for the younger players and finish his career with the Jays. Also fills a need a 1B/DH. I would love to see them bring in a bring in a veteran Outfielder that actually gets on base. But that’s unlikely with the current glut of them on the 40-man.

 

The team will be basically be the team we have now supplemented by a couple veteran starters and relievers mostly:

 

but why? just because you hate Atkins? What's a logical reason that the team would punt next year?

[Spanky__99]

So, legit contending in 2020. Let's say the Jays do the super highly unlikely and sign both Cole and Rendon. Are they now legit contenders? Offhand, I say no, not really.

 

If they picked up Cole and Rendon, what makes you think they'd stop there?

[Jimcanuck]

If they picked up Cole and Rendon, what makes you think they'd stop there?

 

Oh they probably would sign a couple of secondary pieces if they go that route. Team is still a 2020 longshot.

[Jimcanuck]

but why? just because you hate Atkins? What's a logical reason that the team would punt next year?

 

The only way to contend would be to sign high priced free agents, which comes with significant financial risk. eg. whoever signs Cole is taking the risk he becomes a broken down Sale in a few years. The risk probably greatly exceeds the increased chance of Jays winning in 2020.

 

And/Or trade Pearson and other prospects for established players.

 

I have no problem with the Jays signing a top free agent this offseason as a building block for a future contender, but to sign multiple free agents in an attempt to contend in 2020, is not a good business decision.

[Barkerfan23]

Jays are not signing Rendon and Cole.

 

However I wouldn't be surprised to see them move off a prospect like Groshans for a starter

[ColdPint]

Jays are not signing Rendon and Cole.

 

However I wouldn't be surprised to see them move off a prospect like Groshans for a starter

 

With the lost season I don’t think Groshans is a big enough prospect, even in a package, to bring in a top of the rotation type starter.

 

See what Groshans turns into.

[Todd]

Have people loss they mines trading prospects for has been's. Just to be in the playoffs short term instead of building

a winner for maybe ten years or longer. Which is better. Wake up and smell the roses. Stop thinking short term

[Spanky__99]

Have people loss they mines trading prospects for has been's. Just to be in the playoffs short term instead of building

a winner for maybe ten years or longer. Which is better. Wake up and smell the roses. Stop thinking short term

 

No one's talking about trading spects, Turd.

[glory]

Any position player signing would require Atkins to trade or cut someone that they've likely acquired within the last year or two so that seems very unlikely. We're even still giving Smoak ABs, so logically it looks like we might re-sign him.

 

The only signing on the position player side would probably be a CF but even then you would have to jettison an outfielder like Teo or McKinney. And the only CF available is like Jarrod Dyson lol.

 

I do think we will sign a couple SPs. But other than that, i don't see how we spend up to our capability. I think we should use the payroll room to eat a contract and add some prospects.

 

I don't see how they can avoid signing either a CF or a RF (with Grichuk moving to CF). Fisher, Teoscar, and McKinney are all LF'ers, and that's being kind to them. Neither of them are going to move Gurriel from that spot (nor should they), and none of them hit well enough to be worth a damn at DH. Not sure how they are going to go about this but they definitely need a OF from outside the org.

 

One name on the FA market that jumps out at me on the pitching side is Porcello. Not because I like him, but because he seems like someone the Jays would sign. There's a Ben Cherington connection as well.

[Krylian]

No one's talking about trading spects, Turd.

 

4 posts up. Groshans.

[Spanky__99]

4 posts up. Groshans.

 

I saw, I knew... thanks Turd.

[gruber92]

Any position player signing would require Atkins to trade or cut someone that they've likely acquired within the last year or two so that seems very unlikely. We're even still giving Smoak ABs, so logically it looks like we might re-sign him.

 

The only signing on the position player side would probably be a CF but even then you would have to jettison an outfielder like Teo or McKinney. And the only CF available is like Jarrod Dyson lol.

 

I do think we will sign a couple SPs. But other than that, i don't see how we spend up to our capability. I think we should use the payroll room to eat a contract and add some prospects.

 

I'd take a one year flier on Brett Gardiner.

[Boxcar]

Tell that to the Minnesota's, Atlanta's, Houston's of the world, that's just thinking back this decade.

 

Cubs

 

But Bob doesn't know anything about baseball so just let him have his dumb takes and move on

[Ray]

Nate Pearson is now ranked as the 10th best prospect and 3rd best pitching prospect in baseball according to MLB Pipeline.

[Bobthe4th]

but why? just because you hate Atkins? What's a logical reason that the team would punt next year?

 

We are a nearly 100 loss team this year, with a risk averse front office.

 

We'd all love to be really aggressive this offseason, but can't see it happening.

[Jimcanuck]

Nate Pearson is now ranked as the 10th best prospect and 3rd best pitching prospect in baseball according to MLB Pipeline.

 

#7 and #2, respectively on Baseball America

[Krylian]

I saw, I knew... thanks Turd.

 

WTF is wrong with you? Just stop.

[KevinGregg]

We are a nearly 100 loss team this year, with a risk averse front office.

 

We'd all love to be really aggressive this offseason, but can't see it happening.

 

So the idea is to stick with the same team that lost 100 games. And likely lose 100 games again. All while sitting on the most payroll space in the league. Then do it all over again because we "just lost 100 games". And before you know it the core isnt cheap anymore. It's a self defeating idea. You cant just wait for the rookies to win 90 games on their own before spending money... that's how you end up with a one year window.

 

We punted this year to get all the s*** contracts off the books and reset for next year and the future. Theres no reason to do that again next year. If we go into the year with a 50M dollar payroll then I will be beside myself with rage. And so should Rogers - what a total waste of 50 million dollars that would be

[Todd]

You must be blind if you look that jimcanuck guy said and trade Nate Pearson and other prospects for pitching

[saskjayfan]

So, legit contending in 2020. Let's say the Jays do the super highly unlikely and sign both Cole and Rendon. Are they now legit contenders? Offhand, I say no, not really.

 

The Jays have 30 mil in payroll committed next year. Those 2 cost 65. You don't stop spending if you have those 2. You would need to commit to 160 170 in payroll. You literal could build a contender through free agency next year if you got those 2 and you wouldn't have to trade off all your prospect capital.

 

The problem is I don't see any scenario in which Cole isn't a Yankee next year and the odds of getting Rendon are a long shot.

 

The Yankees have money to spend, the sox have money to spend, the dodgers and cubs always seem to have money. The Marlins have money to spend in theory. Who else has money to spend?

 

If the Jays have a shot at either Rendon or Cole they should overpay, extend the extra year and do whatever it takes. There just aren't many truly elite free agents that come available. Outside of that there's plenty of pitching you can add, but you're probably looking for value.

 

The odds of contending in 2020 are extremely long, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't add pieces that can help you in 2021 or 2022.