Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[Spanky99]

Holy fist f*** - what a grab my Davis.

 

Is Davis our very own Fisher? A guy who just needs an extended chance to prove himself? I realize he's probably always been old for his level, but at every stop, he's needed that initial season to get settled in, only to tear it up the next year.

 

2015 A+ : 93 wRC+

2016 A+ : 142 wRC+

2017 AA : 109 wRC+

2018 AA : 134 wRC+

2018 AAA : 97 wRC+

2019 AAA : 125 wRC+

 

He's had good walk rates throughout his career and obviously has great speed and defense. You'd think this s*****, rebuilding team could give him more than 79 PA's over 2 seasons. As a minimum, you'd think he could carve out a career as a 4th OFer.

 

A 4th OF'er sure, as you've pointed out, numbers are good but his age, we knew this coming into this year, bro?

[Brownie19]

A 4th OF'er sure, as you've pointed out, numbers are good but his age, we knew this coming into this year, bro?

 

I'm just a little surprised we're running someone line Drury and McKinney in the OF instead of seeing what Davis could do.

[Spanky99]

I'm just a little surprised we're running someone line Drury and McKinney in the OF instead of seeing what Davis could do.

 

Drury? McKinney are very similar, no? Drury's been killing it, and McKinney was in Buffalo... meh... he's had a couple cups of coffee.

[Brownie19]

Drury? McKinney are very similar, no? Drury's been killing it, and McKinney was in Buffalo... meh... he's had a couple cups of coffee.

 

Well Drury is an infielder playing out of position. I'm fine with seeing what he has too, but not in RF. McKinney - sure, maybe he needs a shot too, but he really doesn't do anything well. At least Davis is a plus runner and defender. If he's somehow a 100 wRC+ hitter, we have a starting CFer. If McKinney is somehow a 100 wRC+ hitter, we have a AAAA player.

[Spanky99]

Well Drury is an infielder playing out of position. I'm fine with seeing what he has too, but not in RF. McKinney - sure, maybe he needs a shot too, but he really doesn't do anything well. At least Davis is a plus runner and defender. If he's somehow a 100 wRC+ hitter, we have a starting CFer. If McKinney is somehow a 100 wRC+ hitter, we have a AAAA player.

 

Yeah sure, fair enough. Although Drury was perfect in the OF, lol. It's like worrying about that stiff in Baltimore????

Edited August 20, 2019 by Spanky99

[gruber92]

I'm just a little surprised we're running someone line Drury and McKinney in the OF instead of seeing what Davis could do.

 

Classic case of a new GM wanting to give players he brought in a fair shake rather than an inherited one. I know Davis is a bit older, but not that old, as he just turned 27 this year. He's still young enough to contribute 5-6 good years of service. His defense and base running are superior to anybody else's on the 25 man, so it's totally plausible that Atkins should be giving him an extended look. I'd bet Davis would put up a better OBP than any of our current OF's also, except for Gurriel.

[glory]

Davis has a better chance of being on a 25 man roster than McKinney. Davis has a perfectly acceptable fourth outfielder skill set. McKinney sucks at everything.

 

I mean I don’t think either one will be any good but I think Davis can at least be useful. McKinney is s***. Can’t run, field, or hit. Give Davis those PA’s.

[Spanky99]

I can't get in on this stupid conversation. I mean not to worry about it. How's that stiff doing in Baltimore, lol.

[gruber92]

I can't get in on this stupid conversation. I mean not to worry about it. How's that stiff doing in Baltimore, lol.

 

We need to throw as much s*** on the wall as possible. Isn't that what Atkins is doing? Brito? Hanson? Are you f***ing kidding me?

[Spanky99]

We need to throw as much s*** on the wall as possible. Isn't that what Atkins is doing? Brito? Hanson? Are you f***ing kidding me?

 

Brito might make it back, he's been better than Davis, get it? It's inconsequential.

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=13473&position=OF

Edited August 20, 2019 by Spanky99

[Orgfiller]

We need to throw as much s*** on the wall as possible. Isn't that what Atkins is doing? Brito? Hanson? Are you f***ing kidding me?

 

Brito is probably better than Jonathan Davis lol. Better minor league numbers (age appropriate), comparable speed, probably not far off defensively. They were both horrendous in their time in the majors, so if you're gonna bash Brito for being a bum then Davis should get no different treatment.

[Spanky99]

Brito is probably better than Jonathan Davis lol. Better minor league numbers (age appropriate), comparable speed, probably not far off defensively. They were both horrendous in their time in the majors, so if you're gonna bash Brito for being a bum then Davis should get no different treatment.

 

Everything I just said^^^^

[Orgfiller]

Holy fist f*** - what a grab my Davis.

 

Is Davis our very own Fisher? A guy who just needs an extended chance to prove himself? I realize he's probably always been old for his level, but at every stop, he's needed that initial season to get settled in, only to tear it up the next year.

 

2015 A+ : 93 wRC+

2016 A+ : 142 wRC+

2017 AA : 109 wRC+

2018 AA : 134 wRC+

2018 AAA : 97 wRC+

2019 AAA : 125 wRC+

 

He's had good walk rates throughout his career and obviously has great speed and defense. You'd think this s*****, rebuilding team could give him more than 79 PA's over 2 seasons. As a minimum, you'd think he could carve out a career as a 4th OFer.

 

He's not even close to Fisher, because all of those performances came at non-prospect relevant ages. Here's his age in those seasons

 

2015 A+: 23

2016 A+: 24

2017 AA: 25

2018 AA/AAA: 26

2019 AAA: 27

 

Here's Fisher for comparison:

 

2015 A: 159 wRC+ - 21

2015 A+: 124 wRC+ - 21

2016 AA: 132 wRC+ - 22

2016 AAA: 124 wRC+ - 22

2017 AAA: 147 wRC+ - 23

2018 AAA: 113 wRC+ - 24

2019 AAA: 124 wRC+ - 25

 

They are not in the same stratosphere as assets. Fisher was dominating AAA by the time Davis was starting to figure out A+, and the latter's performance in AAA is not nearly good enough to question whether he's had an improvement in baseline talent level and thus should be given a further look.

 

There's a reason why it took 3 pieces, albeit 3 mediocre pieces at that, to acquire Fisher and why Atkins gave a glowing interview about him and what they think he can become. He has big tools and has hit at every level while being younger than the average player in those leagues, except in the MLB where he's had limited opportunities and will only be turning 26 a day from now. He's an exciting piece to acquire for expendable assets given his enticing potential and years of cheap control.

[gruber92]

Brito is probably better than Jonathan Davis lol. Better minor league numbers (age appropriate), comparable speed, probably not far off defensively. They were both horrendous in their time in the majors, so if you're gonna bash Brito for being a bum then Davis should get no different treatment.

 

I'll I'm saying is that Davis imo has earned a shot at an extended look, just like Brito and Hanson were given.

[Krylian]

I'll I'm saying is that Davis imo has earned a shot at an extended look, just like Brito and Hanson were given.

 

If he were 5 inches taller he probably would've been given a longer look already.

[Barkerfan23]

Drury's been killing it,

 

In his last ten games on a Monday nights whe facing a left handed pitcher over the age of 31, Drury is hitting .330

[Brownie19]

He's not even close to Fisher, because all of those performances came at non-prospect relevant ages. Here's his age in those seasons

 

2015 A+: 23

2016 A+: 24

2017 AA: 25

2018 AA/AAA: 26

2019 AAA: 27

 

Here's Fisher for comparison:

 

2015 A: 159 wRC+ - 21

2015 A+: 124 wRC+ - 21

2016 AA: 132 wRC+ - 22

2016 AAA: 124 wRC+ - 22

2017 AAA: 147 wRC+ - 23

2018 AAA: 113 wRC+ - 24

2019 AAA: 124 wRC+ - 25

 

They are not in the same stratosphere as assets. Fisher was dominating AAA by the time Davis was starting to figure out A+, and the latter's performance in AAA is not nearly good enough to question whether he's had an improvement in baseline talent level and thus should be given a further look.

 

There's a reason why it took 3 pieces, albeit 3 mediocre pieces at that, to acquire Fisher and why Atkins gave a glowing interview about him and what they think he can become. He has big tools and has hit at every level while being younger than the average player in those leagues, except in the MLB where he's had limited opportunities and will only be turning 26 a day from now. He's an exciting piece to acquire for expendable assets given his enticing potential and years of cheap control.

 

All fair points. My intent wasn't to suggest Fisher = Davis at all. It was simply to ask if we already had someone in our org with talent who's never really been given any type of sustained chance at the ML level. I realize he's always been 'old' for the level, but if he can give you 90-95 wRC+, he's probably Kevin Pillar.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

I like this article on Manoah and Pearson. Manoah seems like a good dude. He certainly says some interesting things.

 

https://canoe.com/sports/baseball/toronto-blue-jays/throwin-manoah-blue-jays-top-draft-pick-fueled-to-bring-the-heat/wcm/9f6e62af-e42b-4ac3-94e6-ed78dd2f2b76

[Laika]

All fair points. My intent wasn't to suggest Fisher = Davis at all. It was simply to ask if we already had someone in our org with talent who's never really been given any type of sustained chance at the ML level. I realize he's always been 'old' for the level, but if he can give you 90-95 wRC+, he's probably Kevin Pillar.

 

A lot of people throw out Kevin Pillar as a comparison for light-hitting CF prospects who have good defensive scouting reports.

 

What few people recognize and acknowledge about Pillar is that, despite the atrocious approach at the plate and terrible eye, he has a legitimate 50 hit tool and average game power (or at the very least, fringe-average game power) thanks to a quick bat and some real athleticism.

 

Most of the light-hitting, good defensive CF prospects that people hope can become Pillar just don't have his bat speed or his pop, which is the main reason they won't be big leaguers.

[Boxcar]

Classic case of a new GM wanting to give players he brought in a fair shake rather than an inherited one. I know Davis is a bit older, but not that old, as he just turned 27 this year. He's still young enough to contribute 5-6 good years of service. His defense and base running are superior to anybody else's on the 25 man, so it's totally plausible that Atkins should be giving him an extended look. I'd bet Davis would put up a better OBP than any of our current OF's also, except for Gurriel.

 

You'd bet that, would you? Based on what? His BJST+? Where the more time you're in the Jays system, the higher your potential, especially if you were from the AA era, even if AA's regime was very inferior to Atkins in terms of acquiring prospects and evaluating talent.

 

I'm so tired of these comments on really s***** prospects.

 

"Duurrrrrrrr he from AA!??!! Atkins bad!!!!! We need see wut we got!!!!!" - apply to literally every s***** AA prospect in the system.

[Orgfiller]

All fair points. My intent wasn't to suggest Fisher = Davis at all. It was simply to ask if we already had someone in our org with talent who's never really been given any type of sustained chance at the ML level. I realize he's always been 'old' for the level, but if he can give you 90-95 wRC+, he's probably Kevin Pillar.

 

I just don't really think he can come close to 90-95 wRC+, that's a high bar to set for someone who's never displayed high level contact or power skills. Even Pillar who wasn't young for his levels by any means was performing better than Davis in AAA in his age 24 and 25 seasons, and he had consistently hit at every minor league stop with no repeating the level adjustment, displaying pretty good contact skills - really low K rate, high average, high BABIP.

[Orgfiller]

I'll I'm saying is that Davis imo has earned a shot at an extended look, just like Brito and Hanson were given.

 

Jonathan Davis has played more MLB games and received more PAs than Brito and Hanson this year. All of these guys were with the team for a few weeks, I don't know where this perception that you have that Brito and Hanson got extended looks comes from. Initial impression I guess? Those guys were god awful at the beginning of the year whereas Davis was god awful the month following that. They've gotten exactly the same "looks".

[Bobthe4th]

He did it. No hitter, 114 pitches.

 

Pretty cool:

 

[Boxcar]

Hopefully the Angels release Pujols soon. Then we can pick him up and see what we've got. He was good 10 years ago.

[Ray]

Orelvis Martinez had a 2 homer game today.

 

I feel 2 homer games are exceptionally rare for 17 year olds in the GCL. He's doing well in his first taste of pro ball.

 

Also, Miguel Hiraldo isn't getting much attention on here but he's putting up a 132 wRC+ in the Appy-league as an 18 year old.

[Daniel Labude]

Orelvis Martinez had a 2 homer game today.

 

I feel 2 homer games are exceptionally rare for 17 year olds in the GCL. He's doing well in his first taste of pro ball.

 

Also, Miguel Hiraldo isn't getting much attention on here but he's putting up a 132 wRC+ in the Appy-league as an 18 year old.

 

Im extremely excited to see what Orelvis Martinez can do. He has played well in his first taste and more is to come. He reminds me of an athletic Vladito

[KevinGregg]

Orelvis Martinez had a 2 homer game today.

 

I feel 2 homer games are exceptionally rare for 17 year olds in the GCL. He's doing well in his first taste of pro ball.

 

Also, Miguel Hiraldo isn't getting much attention on here but he's putting up a 132 wRC+ in the Appy-league as an 18 year old.

 

I imagine they will both get some love if they keep doing well when they get called up to full season ball

[Orgfiller]

Orelvis Martinez had a 2 homer game today.

 

I feel 2 homer games are exceptionally rare for 17 year olds in the GCL. He's doing well in his first taste of pro ball.

 

Also, Miguel Hiraldo isn't getting much attention on here but he's putting up a 132 wRC+ in the Appy-league as an 18 year old.

 

Sort of cherry picking here, but among qualified hitters in the GCL, Orelvis Martinez is:

 

1) The only 17 or 18 year old with an ISO over .200, 8 hitters total have accomplished this

2) One of three 17 year olds with a wRC+ over 100, the others are Victor Mesa Jr. (127 wRC+) - not to be confused with his brother Victor Victor Mesa - and Andrick Nava (110 wRC+) of the Phillies. Martinez will likely have his wRC+ close or surpassing Mesa after this game, as his currently sits at 121.

 

Hiraldo cherry picking, among qualified hitters:

 

1) 5th lowest K-rate

2) 11th highest wRC+ in the league, the next closest 18 year old has a wRC+ of 108. Only two 19 year olds are above him and they're both within a point of his wRC+

[Krylian]

Nate Pearson on the mound for Buffalo tonight.

[AintNoThang]

Im extremely excited to see what Orelvis Martinez can do. He has played well in his first taste and more is to come. He reminds me of an athletic Vladito

 

Adrian Beltre.