Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[Spanky__99]

Good piece on Kloffenstein.

 

https://theathletic.com/1071899/2019/07/11/the-education-of-a-blue-jays-prospect-im-not-near-as-good-as-i-thought-i-was-says-pitcher-adam-kloffenstein/

 

Posted yesterday.

[Krylian]

Posted yesterday.

 

Posting again cause it's so good.

[BlueRocky]

So Borucki sitting 92-93 with a solid 83-85 changeup and had a slider yesterday.

Still a bit rusty but flashed good command at times. Changeup is major league.

 

Defense behind him was a circus, but scorer was generous for the home team. When things went downhill he gave up b2b dingers.

I think there’s a slight uptick in his velo, but not as obvious as spring training.

[Carlos Danger]

So Borucki sitting 92-93 with a solid 83-85 changeup and had a slider yesterday.

Still a bit rusty but flashed good command at times. Changeup is major league.

 

Defense behind him was a circus, but scorer was generous for the home team. When things went downhill he gave up b2b dingers.

I think there’s a slight uptick in his velo, but not as obvious as spring training.

 

Our ACE and Savior Thy cometh. Praise be the O'Mighty.. Praise be Aceucki! ! Hallelujah..Can I get a AMEN!

[L54]

Our ACE and Savior Thy cometh. Praise be the O'Mighty.. Praise be Aceucki! ! Hallelujah..Can I get a AMEN!

 

I thought we rid ourselves of BBBB?

[Krylian]

I thought we rid ourselves of BBBB?

 

No reference to a Princess Warrior though. I think we're safe.

[Vdubfan]

Can someone post the BPro piece on groshans from yesterday?

[jays4life19]

Can someone post the BPro piece on groshans from yesterday?

 

hroughout the week we will be highlighting specific players on the Midseason 50 whom we believe merit further discussion. In this piece, we have an in-depth look at a Blue Jays prospect who has quietly taken a leap up our board. — Ed.

 

There are two types of average shortstops in the Midwest League. The first is typically a college bat drafted in the middle rounds, and he’ll usually have a good approach at the plate but lack a high ceiling. A higher-end example this year is Rays’ third-rounder Ford Proctor, who shows solid bat-to-ball skills but little else. The second type is a younger player, either an international signing or high school draftee, who has some tools but lacks plate discipline and can be exposed by advanced pitching. Think Wenceel Perez, the young Tigers’ farmhand: plenty of skills, but he lacks pitch recognition or the ability to stay balanced against off-speed stuff. But this year, Jordan Groshans has shown the best attributes of both types: he pairs youth and loud tools with the approach and discipline usually reserved for older players at the level.

 

Physically, he stands out on the diamond. He’s 6-foot-3 and weighs in at more than 200 pounds. He’s got a large frame with a thin build, and at just 19 years old there is still projection left in the tank. It’s the type of physicality that you expect to see on a big league diamond, and it helps the tools project higher than his peers.

 

This year, three of the best hitters in the Eastern Division of the league were teenagers manning the six for their respective teams: Groshans, Xavier Edwards, and Wander Franco. Franco is in a class of his own, but the other two are not far behind in terms of showing contact abilities that the average Low-A hitter lacks. In my eyewitness report earlier in the season I put a 55 on Groshans’ bat, and after an additional look I feel that might be a little light. It’s easy to forget that, had he fulfilled his college commitment, he would have just finished his freshman season at Kansas. Instead, his proven ability to stay disciplined gives him the look of a much older and more experienced hitter.

 

The foundation of the hit tool is superb balance, which stands in stark contrast to the wild front-foot swings that plague many young players against secondaries. The swing is quiet but there is above-average bat speed and barrel control. At the same time, what makes Groshans stand out over more seasoned players is the quick trigger at the plate, which allows him to handle velocity or wait back that extra split second to adjust against spin. Overall, it’s a bat that’s going to play at the highest level.

 

As a standalone tool the hit would most likely be enough to land him a future roster spot in the majors, but it’s the potential power that makes me project a future All-Star. His plus bat speed makes the ball jump off the bat without much length to the swing; it’s mostly sharp line drives at present, but he has the ability to hit those to all fields. With physical maturity, more and more of those line drives will carry out of the park.

 

Like his aforementioned counterparts, Franco and Edwards, Groshans is unlikely to remain at shortstop. While a lack of arm strength is the likely culprit forcing those guys to the right side of the infield, Groshans should eventually find a defensive home at third base. He has good instincts on the dirt, but he will lack the lateral quickness at maturity to handle the six. The rest of the tools lend projection for a potentially above-average glove at the hot corner. He’s got a strong, accurate arm, and it will be more than enough to handle a slide to the five. He’s also a good baserunner with average foot speed at present, though it’s not a part of his game that will carry him anywhere, and the speed tool should settle in below-average as he ages.

 

A stress injury on the navicular bone in his left foot has kept him sidelined since mid-May and a timetable for return is unknown. It’s what he showed pre-injury at Lansing that gained him Top 50 helium. Groshan’s age, advanced bat, and potential for an above-average glove on the left side of the diamond has made him stand out as one of the premier prospects in the Midwest League this year. There’s a long way to go, and first and foremost he needs to stay healthy so he can move on and prove himself against advanced pitching. But a potential future infield with Groshans, Bo Bichette, and Vladito should make Jays fans very excited.

[Laika]

Not sure if this was posted but 2080 had a positive report on Warmoth a month ago. Gave him a bunch of 50s.

 

Well-rounded overall game gives him a high floor, though upside is limited because he isn't a true SS and lacks an above-average tool. Ceiling of low-end regular at 2B or solid role player for a contending club. Floor of standard bench player w/ defensive versatility.

https://2080baseball.com/reports/logan-warmoth-2/

 

Maybe he can pull a Kevin Newman and not suck?

[Bobthe4th]

You guys remember how excited we were for Kevin Smith going into this year? f*** me. I know prospects fail all the time, but lord the wind came out of his sail quick.

 

[glory]

Not sure if this was posted but 2080 had a positive report on Warmoth a month ago. Gave him a bunch of 50s.

 

 

https://2080baseball.com/reports/logan-warmoth-2/

 

Maybe he can pull a Kevin Newman and not suck?

 

Nah, Warmoth is trash. His best use to the Jays would be as someone who the team could hopefully trade for a useful big league piece (ala Woodman for Diaz). No above average tool and can't play SS says it all. Hope he can pad his milb numbers though, especially at the higher levels.

[Spanky__99]

Nah, Warmoth is trash. His best use to the Jays would be as someone who the team could hopefully trade for a useful big league piece (ala Woodman for Diaz). No above average tool and can't play SS says it all. Hope he can pad his milb numbers though, especially at the higher levels.

 

You know nothing.

[glory]

You know nothing.

 

Infielder who can't play short, hits 50% of balls in play on the ground, strikes out 25% of the time in A+/AA at age 23, and doesn't have a single above average tool by pretty much any metric.

 

I'm pretty confident in my stance on him. If he could play an above average SS, then I'd be more intrigued, but 2B at best? Nah, I'm good. He sucks.

[Spanky__99]

Infielder who can't play short, hits 50% of balls in play on the ground, strikes out 25% of the time in A+/AA at age 23, and doesn't have a single above average tool by pretty much any metric.

 

I'm pretty confident in my stance on him. If he could play an above average SS, then I'd be more intrigued, but 2B at best? Nah, I'm good. He sucks.

 

How long ago was that printed, you know nothing.

[Spanky__99]

Not sure if this was posted but 2080 had a positive report on Warmoth a month ago. Gave him a bunch of 50s.

 

 

https://2080baseball.com/reports/logan-warmoth-2/

 

Maybe he can pull a Kevin Newman and not suck?

 

Infielder who can't play short, hits 50% of balls in play on the ground, strikes out 25% of the time in A+/AA at age 23, and doesn't have a single above average tool by pretty much any metric.

 

I'm pretty confident in my stance on him. If he could play an above average SS, then I'd be more intrigued, but 2B at best? Nah, I'm good. He sucks.

 

 

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[glory]

Um, everything I said in my post is written/confirmed in the link provided. The overall summary is about the faintest praise you can give a prospect. I'm not sure what your gripe is. If you want to believe he's a good prospect, then that's up to you. I really don't care one way or the other. He's not even in my top 30 Jays prospects.

[Spanky__99]

Um, everything I said in my post is written/confirmed in the link provided. The overall summary is about the faintest praise you can give a prospect. I'm not sure what your gripe is. If you want to believe he's a good prospect, then that's up to you. I really don't care one way or the other. He's not even in my top 30 Jays prospects.

 

You calling him a bust, meat? Smarten up...

[BlueRocky]

Infielder who can't play short, hits 50% of balls in play on the ground, strikes out 25% of the time in A+/AA at age 23, and doesn't have a single above average tool by pretty much any metric.

 

I'm pretty confident in my stance on him. If he could play an above average SS, then I'd be more intrigued, but 2B at best? Nah, I'm good. He sucks.

 

Yeah pretty much. He could still turn things around but it’s a tall order. He’s been a bit better recently (in AA) but my biggest concern is he doesn’t hit enough power to be an everyday second baseman.

 

The strikeout numbers and zero homers in AA is very discouraging, even for guys high on Warmoth.

[glory]

Yeah pretty much. He could still turn things around but it’s a tall order. He’s been a bit better recently (in AA) but my biggest concern is he doesn’t hit enough power to be an everyday second baseman.

 

The strikeout numbers and zero homers in AA is very discouraging, even for guys high on Warmoth.

 

Yeah I’m not a big fan of the Atkins run but can’t deny the drafting has been great under his watch. Warmoth just happens to be an exception. He’s an infield version of McKinney. Jack of no trades. It happens. Won’t be perfect with first round picks.

[BlueRocky]

Yeah I’m not a big fan of the Atkins run but can’t deny the drafting has been great under his watch. Warmoth just happens to be an exception. He’s an infield version of McKinney. Jack of no trades. It happens. Won’t be perfect with first round picks.

 

He was a power hitter (sorta) bat first middle-infield guy in college, hasn’t shown it at all since Dunedin. Some guys just don’t translate well to pro-ball.

[Abomination]

He was a power hitter (sorta) bat first middle-infield guy in college, hasn’t shown it at all since Dunedin. Some guys just don’t translate well to pro-ball.

 

His power hasn't shown yet, but he's not even doing all that poorly in general. His walk and K rates have held every level, which is one of the most critical things for him imo. He just needs to start lifting the ball a little more.

[Krylian]

Um, everything I said in my post is written/confirmed in the link provided. The overall summary is about the faintest praise you can give a prospect. I'm not sure what your gripe is. If you want to believe he's a good prospect, then that's up to you. I really don't care one way or the other. He's not even in my top 30 Jays prospects.

 

Spanky's incapable of saying anything critical regarding the Jays. He has a blue cock lodged permanently up his ass.

 

 

 

 

Cue Spanky getting defensive and me not giving a s***.

[Spanky__99]

Spanky's incapable of saying anything critical regarding the Jays. He has a blue cock lodged permanently up his ass.

 

 

 

 

Cue Spanky getting defensive and me not giving a s***.

 

You flew the coop, just cause?! You were vehemently wrong.

[jaysguy44]

Anyone know when MLB.com updates there prospect rankings for clueless individuals like myself when it comes to prospects?

[Abomination]

Anyone know when MLB.com updates there prospect rankings for clueless individuals like myself when it comes to prospects?

 

I think they did a few weeks ago, but I'm not positive. Vladdy, etc aren't listed anymore.

[jaysguy44]

I think they did a few weeks ago, but I'm not positive. Vladdy, etc aren't listed anymore.

 

Ah ok. I noticed they have Pearson at 41, so I assumed it hasn't been updated for a while.

 

Is a subscription to Baseball America worth it? Just looking for a source to track prospects throughout the year rather than just boxscore watching.

[Abomination]

Ah ok. I noticed they have Pearson at 41, so I assumed it hasn't been updated for a while.

 

Is a subscription to Baseball America worth it? Just looking for a source to track prospects throughout the year rather than just boxscore watching.

 

It seems like most of the stuff ends up getting posted by someone, somewhere. I don't personally bother with BA. For critical prospects, you can see their rankings on baseball-reference if you bring up their player page (they have BA, MLB, and BP)

[Laika]

Um, everything I said in my post is written/confirmed in the link provided. The overall summary is about the faintest praise you can give a prospect. I'm not sure what your gripe is. If you want to believe he's a good prospect, then that's up to you. I really don't care one way or the other. He's not even in my top 30 Jays prospects.

 

We didn’t even put him in our Jays top 50 list. The link / update is just interesting. He probably does make the majors some day

[Slade]

Hopefully Kevin Smith is figuring some stuff out in AA.

 

2-4 yesterday with 2HR

3-5 today with a HR a 2B

[Maine Jays]

We didn’t even put him in our Jays top 50 list. The link / update is just interesting. He probably does make the majors some day

 

But does Todd have him listed in his top 117?