Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[Olerud363]

He got sold on that no walks in a few weeks stat that was peddled a couple of weeks ago.

 

I posted that stat around beginning of July, and at the time Bichette had bottomed out in the .260s. I said his year was a "good for age" but not "great" year. Or something like that. Since then he's hit a bit better. Not that any of it might mean anything. It could just be random variation of a .300 .350 .480 or so "true talent" hitter. He may of been lucky his first couple of years and a bit unlucky this year.

[5minutesforframing]

Good - Biggio

Bad - Bichette

 

Just because I have always thought Alford suxxxxxx

 

Don't be dumn

[The Iceman]

The great Vladdy is better than I ever thought at this age

Good - Bichette, Smith Sean Reid Foley, Jansen, Biggio

Bad - Alford although i think he plays MLB next season at some point and stays a MLB player

Warmoth...Don't see much upside here

Pannone...thought he would have been knocking the door down instead of being promoted by default

[John_Havok]

The great Vladdy is better than I ever thought at this age

Good - Bichette, Smith Sean Reid Foley, Jansen, Biggio

Bad - Alford although i think he plays MLB next season at some point and stays a MLB player

Warmoth...Don't see much upside here

Pannone...thought he would have been knocking the door down instead of being promoted by default

 

Pannone had the suspension, hard to kick down the door with only 9 starts on the season.

[Daniel Labude]

Good: Hiraldo and Pardinho

Bad: Alford

[jays4life19]

I think you all need to apologize to Todd.

[Daniel Labude]

I think you all need to apologize to Todd.

 

Why?

[Olerud363]

Why?

 

You do realize Todd had the insight to rank Alford as 103rd or something on his list?? While Alford does not deserve to be ranked 103rd, it was probably the only way to effectively communicate the disaster that was about to unfold with Alford.

 

Let's say Todd had ranked Alford 14th. You would have some spirited arguments, and Todd would be called an idiot by a poster or two, however it would not be memorable.

 

Ranking him 103rd was pure genius. It got the message out, and at least for 2018 the message was 100% correct.

 

btw when is this years top 100 coming out??

[King]

Todd was right.

[John_Havok]

Todd was right.

 

Doubtful. Alford could probably defense-only himself to 1.5-2 WAR

[Daniel Labude]

You do realize Todd had the insight to rank Alford as 103rd or something on his list?? While Alford does not deserve to be ranked 103rd, it was probably the only way to effectively communicate the disaster that was about to unfold with Alford.

 

Let's say Todd had ranked Alford 14th. You would have some spirited arguments, and Todd would be called an idiot by a poster or two, however it would not be memorable.

 

Ranking him 103rd was pure genius. It got the message out, and at least for 2018 the message was 100% correct.

 

btw when is this years top 100 coming out??

 

Nah...if he said 14 I would give him his due...but 103....that's beyond stupid, even if Alford never plays again in the majors he is still better than 103 .

[Todd]

Fact of the matter I wanted you all to open your eyes and talk about this. And see that he is over rated.

Yes I rank him 103 but got you all talking and ban for it.To be honest right now I would rank him between 40

and 50. And he was pushed up the system to fast. And has had a lot of injuries. Right now to be fair he should be in single a or double a.

Starting over. But it has been five years. Nobody actually knows what he is?

[Todd]

And the top 100 is coming.

[King]

And the top 100 is coming.

 

f*** yeah. Get Hype!

[Todd]

Any news on the international free agent front for the blue jays KING.

Use to get that info from baseball America but now

it seems you have to pay for that s***.

[Krylian]

Doubtful. Alford could probably defense-only himself to 1.5-2 WAR

 

He's fast, but has a mediocre arm.

[Krylian]

Any news on the international free agent front for the blue jays KING.

Use to get that info from baseball America but now

it seems you have to pay for that s***.

 

It's almost like they're trying to run a business or something. *******s.

[Krylian]

Gabriel Moreno is f***ing s*** up in Bluefield just like he was in the GCL. I want to know more about this guy. Can't find what he signed for as an IFA.

[glory]

Espinal was 1-2 with a double and 2 walks today, raising his line to .296/.383/.437. He has as many walks (10) as K's. Not missing a beat since the promotion. Maybe a Maicer Izturis (the good version) type of player? That would a pretty solid outcome.

[BTS]

Doubtful. Alford could probably defense-only himself to 1.5-2 WAR

 

I thought he was more of an above average corner of type. Given what the bat is doing, he'd need to have like Inciarte/Pillar defense to get to 1.5 wins.

[John_Havok]

He's fast, but has a mediocre arm.

 

So does Pillar. These never been any question about Alford's defensive ability

[John_Havok]

I thought he was more of an above average corner of type. Given what the bat is doing, he'd need to have like Inciarte/Pillar defense to get to 1.5 wins.

 

Fangraphs has him as a future 60 grade CF, there's nothing in his defense I've ever read to suggest he can't even be better than that with reps. A 70 grade D isn't out of the question with improved routes and instincts, but those only come with time and can't really be expected. 70 grade speed with great acceleration gives him some leeway there also.

 

I also expect he will be better than Pillar with the bat, which admittedly isn't saying much, but better with the bat with above average CF D for league min is fine in my books.

[Todd]

How is Gabriel Moreno s***. He's hitting 360 in Bluefiled.

Overall this season he's hitting 402. with 3 home runs, and 32 rbi.

And in 117 abs he has strike out 9 times. And he adds to the catching depth.

[Todd]

He's fast. Has to hit to use that so called speed.

So is he a home run hitter

Is he a batting ave. guy.

is he a base stealer

A rbi guy

what is he.

Anthony Alford

Edited August 13, 2018 by Todd

[John_Havok]

He's fast. Has to hit to use that so called speed.

So is he a home run hitter

Is he a batting ave. guy.

is he a base stealer

A rbi guy

what is he.

 

Who?

[Ray]

Espinal was 1-2 with a double and 2 walks today, raising his line to .296/.383/.437. He has as many walks (10) as K's. Not missing a beat since the promotion. Maybe a Maicer Izturis (the good version) type of player? That would a pretty solid outcome.

 

Huge fan of the front office shoring up the farm with depth guys like Espinal, Spanberger, McKinney, Drury, Wall, McGuire, Ramirez. None of them are gonna be superstars, but at the very least they seem like they'll contribute to the major league team in some regard.

[BlueRocky]

Which Blue Jays prospect has surprised you the most this season (good or bad)?

 

Go.

 

Good

- Cavan Biggio. Went from a nothing prospect to a top 10 guy. Walks just as inpressive as home run power.

- Kevin Smith. Glove first SS with a now developing bat, with some pop. Also suprisingly a SB threat.

- Bo Bichette. Always high on his bat, but was convinced he was 2B. Looking like a legit SS and has a lot more speed than advertised. Need to walk more and focus on contact rather than chasing exit velos.

- Eric Pardinho. Looking legit so far as a 17 yr old in Bluefield.

- Jordan Groshans. Much better bat than anticipated, slowed down by injuries.

- Brock Lundquist. Where the hell did this bat come from? Hitting better in FSL than MWL. Hope it’s sustainable.

- Ryan Noda. The power is real, the walks were a bit ridiculous in the 1st half.

- Sean Reid-Foley. Last year was disappointing. Didn’t think he would rebound this quickly and make the big leagues already.

- Patrick Murphy. Been “a guy” for awhile but seems to finally be healthy and producing. Let’s see him in AA for a season.

- Jordan Romano. Looks like there’s enough stuff there to at least get a chance as 5th SP or bullpen guy.

- TJ Zeuch. Didn’t expect him to have a good season in AA, his A+ numbers weren’t anything special. Seems to have figured out something.

- Samad Taylor. At least his wheels look legit. RIP Joe Smith.

- Jonathan Davis. Might just be good enough for a backup role, which is a lot for a guy completely written off not too long ago.

- Harold Ramirez. Just staying hot enough, still deciding if he’s a writeoff. But he’s having a good season for his own standards.

- Chavez Young. Success continues in Lansing.

- Yennsy Diaz. Somewhat moving quickly and looks okay at Dunedin.

- Miguel Hiraldo. Need to see him hit at a higher level. Didn’t expect him as a SB threat but nice to see.

- Maverik Buffo. Found money.

- Travis Bergen. More found money.. Danny Barnes 2.0?

- Gabriel Moreno. Guy came outta nowhere.

- Otto Lopez. Another guy came outta nowhere.

- Chad Spanberger. Hitting well in FSL despite the doubts of Coors 2.0 park factor pumping his tires. Looks like a real power threat from the left side.

 

Bad

- Anthony Alford. Guy can’t hit in AAA and I’m not sure he can stay healthy, ala Pompey. Don’t understand the hype.

- Richard Urena. Has no bat, not much of a role going forward with current middle infield depth.

- Max Pentecost. I think he’s done. He stayed relatively healthy all year, yet couldn’t produce enough offensively to impress despite being in a juggernaut lineup all season.

- Dalton Pompey. This guy needs a change of scenery and visit an exorcist. His luck is complete feces, and wasn’t that good in limited PA. Time to let go.

- Logan Warmoth. Couldn’t stay healthy all season with nagging leg injuries.

- Riley Adams. Not impressed offensively, can’t comment on catching.

Edited August 13, 2018 by BlueRocky

[Ray]

I wouldn't entirely rule out Riley Adams. Offensive standards are so low for a catcher that he may provide future value as a decent backup. 103 wRC+ in the FSL and a 48% CS%. Seems to me like a right handed McGuire.

[P2F]

323 PA

24 2B

18 HR

9.3 BB%

9.6 K%

.406/.460/.690

.285 ISO

.493 wOBA

212 wRC+

 

Vlad's absurd numbers across two levels (plus a quick rehab assignment in rookie ball and High-A) this season.

[BlueRocky]

For age 20, 21, 22?

 

Would be happy with @9 fWAR

 

He would still be younger than half our prospects when his Arb years begin

 

Soto has 2.6 WAR in roughly half a 1st season, and Vlad is every bit as good as Soto at the plate, but with more power

 

Realistic WAR numbers for Vlad are 4, 5, 6 WAR in his first 3 seasons = 15

 

Soto has been unbelievable offensively as a 19 yr old, 2.5 fWAR in 72 games.

 

For Vlad I’m tempering expectations and allowing for some growing pains. We have no idea about his long term defensive impact or position. We have no idea if his knee thing will come back, there could be more DL stints. And we have no idea if he’ll figure out major league pitching right away, or it will take him a season or two to really get going.

 

It’s easy to assume he’ll play 140 games a year from 2019-2021 and he’ll hit it off running full steam with no significant DL stints, while also being serviceable at third base. But s*** happens in baseball.

 

4, 5, 6 WAR season at age 20, 21, 22.. is really an impressive feat. How many guys in the past 20 years could do it? Maybe a handful. In 2017 fWAR were Corey Seager 5.9, Mookie Betts 5.4, Bryce Harper 4.9, Freddie Freeman 4.5, Jose Abreu 4.2, Anthony Rizzo 4.0, Nelson Cruz 3.8, J.D. Martinez 3.8

 

If Vlad is already in the same category as those guys in his first two years I would be thrilled. But not holding my breath. I’m hoping for multiple 6-8 WAR seasons approaching his prime, but in his first 3 years in the league? I’m not sure.

 

His numbers in the minor leagues are insane, but there’s such a huge gap between AAA and MLB