Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[burlingtonbandit]

He's now destroying GCL pitching as a 17 year old. If he takes one more step to Bluefield this year and he would close to the same trajectory as Vlad JR was at 17.

 

FAP ALERT

 

Speaking of which, whyd they start Conine in rookie ball? He should at least be in Vancouver if not Lansing.

 

I read that since he was already in Dunedin signing his contract they may as well gave him some games there.

[TheHurl]

 

Speaking of which, whyd they start Conine in rookie ball? He should at least be in Vancouver if not Lansing.

 

Could be loads of non-baseball things. They want him on conditioning or nutrition program or even an existing relationship with a coach. I figure it's short-lived regardless

[metafour]

Speaking of which, whyd they start Conine in rookie ball? He should at least be in Vancouver if not Lansing.

 

Why would he start in Lansing? Few if any recently drafted college signees start in full season ball. Vancouver is the typical assignment. He's in the GCL for likely a handful of games just like Warmoth last season.

[Krylian]

Vancouver and Lansing are pretty comparable from what I understand anyway.

[metafour]

Vancouver and Lansing are pretty comparable from what I understand anyway.

 

Its a short jump, but it doesn't make sense to send a kid right out of college out to go play against dudes that have been playing for months.

[metafour]

He's now destroying GCL pitching as a 17 year old.

 

No he's not, he's in the DSL.

 

I love how no one talks about Leonardo Jimenez who: signed for more money, got placed in the GCL above Hiraldo, and is hitting .455 to date himself in the short GCL sample.

[King]

He's now destroying GCL pitching as a 17 year old. If he takes one more step to Bluefield this year and he would close to the same trajectory as Vlad JR was at 17.

 

FAP ALERT

 

Speaking of which, whyd they start Conine in rookie ball? He should at least be in Vancouver if not Lansing.

 

He's in the DSL.

[King]

Could be loads of non-baseball things. They want him on conditioning or nutrition program or even an existing relationship with a coach. I figure it's short-lived regardless

 

There's a good chance it's a passport thing. Not uncommon.

[Ray]

No he's not, he's in the DSL.

 

I love how no one talks about Leonardo Jimenez who: signed for more money, got placed in the GCL above Hiraldo, and is hitting .455 to date himself in the short GCL sample.

 

No one is talking about him because he's hitting .455 through 3 games.

 

Hiraldo is hitting .431 through 17 games now. Much larger sample size, even if still small.

[burlingtonbandit]

The Jays look to have done a pretty good job in IFA the last few years.

[Ray]

Anyone know what happened to Cullen Large? He was having a good start to the season in Lansing. .316/.411/.568 with 5 HR in 27 games.

 

Interesting profile: Switch hitter and versatile (listed as a 3B, 2B, and OF).

 

 

The Jays look to have done a pretty good job in IFA the last few years.

 

I love the stress this front office gives on player development. That seemed to be where we were lagging a little behind. Paying off now with guys like Kevin Smith, Cavan Biggio etc.

 

At the same time, they're not messing with players if something is working. Big reason why Bichette said he signed with the Jays.

 

Also like how we're not punting any draft picks. Seem to be getting good players deep into the draft now too.

[TheHurl]

Randy Cesar is on a 38 game hit streak in the Texas League.

 

During the streak, Cesar has batted .381 with seven homers, a triple, 10 doubles and 28 RBIs.

[John_Havok]

Why would he start in Lansing? Few if any recently drafted college signees start in full season ball. Vancouver is the typical assignment. He's in the GCL for likely a handful of games just like Warmoth last season.

 

There's actually numerous college draftees that start in Low A full season ball after the draft every year, just seems for some reason the Jays never seem to do it.

 

Advanced A is the rough equivalent to the highest level of college ball yet very few teams ever send their college draftees to that level.

[glory]

The Jays look to have done a pretty good job in IFA the last few years.

 

IFA, the draft, and the farm system in general. Even the very few prospects they have traded have been nothing special (Woodman, Olivares, Greene) and they could probably flip the players they got in those deals for better prospects down the road.

 

By 2020 the big league roster and the farm system will both be fap worthy.

[Ray]

IFA, the draft, and the farm system in general. Even the very few prospects they have traded have been nothing special (Woodman, Olivares, Greene) and they could probably flip the players they got in those deals for better prospects down the road.

 

By 2020 the big league roster and the farm system will both be fap worthy.

 

The Yangervis Solarte deal is a little underrated. Getting a 2 WAR player with 3 years of control for a complete lottery ticket in Edward Olivares was a brilliant move.

[KevinGregg]

There's actually numerous college draftees that start in Low A full season ball after the draft every year, just seems for some reason the Jays never seem to do it.

 

Advanced A is the rough equivalent to the highest level of college ball yet very few teams ever send their college draftees to that level.

 

I ended up going down a pretty deep rabbit hole looking into this. Nick Senzel hit .352/.456/.595 with eight home runs over 57 games in his Junior year but he hit .329 /.415/.567 with seven home runs in 58 games at low A. So obviously the levels are comparable, but it seems like low A is a little bit more difficult than what he was seeing in college.

 

I found a really cool article about the equivalencies of other leagues around the world: https://www.nationalsarmrace.com/?p=3008

He says the cape cod league is the best amateur league and is roughly equivalent to high A, and a matchup of the absolute best ncaa teams on a friday night would be roughly equivalent to Low A

 

Brandon McCarthy thinks the best Div-1 teams would have a chance in a 7-game series against a low-A team, but would probably fall short due to pitching depth. (https://www.quora.com/How-would-the-best-college-baseball-team-your-opinion-of-the-best-team-do-against-an-average-team-in-each-level-of-minor-league-baseball-A-AA-AAA?__snids__=1644684008)

[Krylian]

There's actually numerous college draftees that start in Low A full season ball after the draft every year, just seems for some reason the Jays never seem to do it.

 

Advanced A is the rough equivalent to the highest level of college ball yet very few teams ever send their college draftees to that level.

 

I think part of it is that they don't want to disrupt their established teams that have already been playing full time together for 2 1/2 months. It would be a bit of a slap in the face of the guy that's been playing full time all season.

[Ray]

Griffin Conine and Jake Brodt assigned to the Vancouver Canadians.

[metafour]

No one is talking about him because he's hitting .455 through 3 games.

 

Hiraldo is hitting .431 through 17 games now. Much larger sample size, even if still small.

 

Yes, but who got assigned to the GCL and who got sent to the DSL? The implication is that the Jays themselves see Jimenez over Hiraldo. Do you get what I'm saying? Its not even a knock on Hiraldo, just a reminder that this Jimenez kid probably deserves some hype himself. I assumed that Hiraldo may have been sent down for visa reasons myself, but this seems like far too long a stint in the DSL for something like that.

[Daniel Labude]

Yes, but who got assigned to the GCL and who got sent to the DSL? The implication is that the Jays themselves see Jimenez over Hiraldo. Do you get what I'm saying? Its not even a knock on Hiraldo, just a reminder that this Jimenez kid probably deserves some hype himself. I assumed that Hiraldo may have been sent down for visa reasons myself, but this seems like far too long a stint in the DSL for something like that.

 

That has almost no impact on the decision. The team views Hiraldo way higher than Jimenez at this point given everything else. Most likely scenario is they felt the coaching and development could be better for him to start there and since Jimenez plays the same position he went to the closest equivalent level

[metafour]

There's actually numerous college draftees that start in Low A full season ball after the draft every year, just seems for some reason the Jays never seem to do it.

 

"Numerous" out of how many hundreds? It is rare, period. The Rays for instance not only started Brendan McKay (the best college player in his draft) in their equivalent of Vancouver, they actually started him in Low A (ie: Lansing) THIS season which means that our placement of Warmoth (Dunedin) was more aggressive. I'm not going to waste my time looking over every player because I already know that I'm right, but in last year's class virtually every college player drafted in the first round except Kyle Wright was sent to short-season ball, and even he made a handful of appearances in the GCL before he was sent to High A. College guys who are immediately started in full season ball are typically pure relievers who can be rushed through the system.

 

Advanced A is the rough equivalent to the highest level of college ball yet very few teams ever send their college draftees to that level.

 

This is hilariously wrong and common sense should have dictated that to you. Even the best college teams in the country (your Florida's) have numerous players who won't even sniff pro ball period, or even make it out of Rookie ball if they do get drafted, so how the hell can college baseball be the equivalent of High A where every player there has at least earned their way to that level? The Cape Cod league MAY be the equivalent of High A, but that is because its a collection of artificial rosters made up of the best college players in the country.

[metafour]

That has almost no impact on the decision. The team views Hiraldo way higher than Jimenez at this point given everything else. Most likely scenario is they felt the coaching and development could be better for him to start there and since Jimenez plays the same position he went to the closest equivalent level

 

What in the f*** are you even talking about? They gave Jimenez more money and assigned him to a higher, more challenging level. Coaching and development? You think that the f***ing dirt fields of the DSL where half the pitchers walk 50% of the batters they face is somehow a BETTER situation for Hiraldo to develop in, versus the GCL where the team plays at the SPRING COMPLEX of the organization and has access to far better coaching, medical, and nutrition?

 

You just wrote one of the single dumbest diatribes I've ever seen posted on this forum. The Dominican Summer League is s***-tier baseball. To state that they sent a player that they supposedly like more down to play in that situation as some sort of "player development" decision is absolutely retarded. Miguel Hiraldo is learning nothing facing DSL pitchers. Its a league wherein you can pretty much just not swing the bat at all and still get on base at a ~30% clip.

[metafour]

Also, player placement absolutely means something, hence why Vlad Jr. and Eric Pardinho skipping the GCL entirely and going straight to Bluefield was an obvious tell by the organization that these two were believed to be extremely advanced for 17 years old. The GCL and the DSL are not comparable leagues, not even close, hence why most top IFA signees skip the DSL entirely: its not a challenge.

[Daniel Labude]

What in the f*** are you even talking about? They gave Jimenez more money and assigned him to a higher, more challenging level. Coaching and development? You think that the f***ing dirt fields of the DSL where half the pitchers walk 50% of the batters they face is somehow a BETTER situation for Hiraldo to develop in, versus the GCL where the team plays at the SPRING COMPLEX of the organization and has access to far better coaching, medical, and nutrition?

 

You just wrote one of the single dumbest diatribes I've ever seen posted on this forum. The Dominican Summer League is s***-tier baseball. To state that they sent a player that they supposedly like more down to play in that situation as some sort of "player development" decision is absolutely retarded. Miguel Hiraldo is learning nothing facing DSL pitchers. Its a league wherein you can pretty much just not swing the bat at all and still get on base at a ~30% clip.

 

Hiraldo is Dominican...so yeah don't be stupid. Obvious to start him there. Jimenez is from Panama right. Yeah I'm stupid that never comes into play. Also, Hiraldo was ranked 15ish and Jimenez 40ish. They got like $75,000 different...but yeah my comment was the single dumbest diatribes lmao

 

And read before you post idiotic dumb s***. I said better for him. Maybe he can't speak English one damn bit, maybe they wanted to get him acclimated before pushing up levels, maybe you don't know s*** so just wait and see lol

[TheHurl]

I ended up going down a pretty deep rabbit hole looking into this. Nick Senzel hit .352/.456/.595 with eight home runs over 57 games in his Junior year but he hit .329 /.415/.567 with seven home runs in 58 games at low A. So obviously the levels are comparable, but it seems like low A is a little bit more difficult than what he was seeing in college.

 

I found a really cool article about the equivalencies of other leagues around the world: https://www.nationalsarmrace.com/?p=3008

He says the cape cod league is the best amateur league and is roughly equivalent to high A, and a matchup of the absolute best ncaa teams on a friday night would be roughly equivalent to Low A

 

Brandon McCarthy thinks the best Div-1 teams would have a chance in a 7-game series against a low-A team, but would probably fall short due to pitching depth. (https://www.quora.com/How-would-the-best-college-baseball-team-your-opinion-of-the-best-team-do-against-an-average-team-in-each-level-of-minor-league-baseball-A-AA-AAA?__snids__=1644684008)

 

Yeah I think I can agree that the top teams are equal to Low A level...the difference being that stats can be padded against some really weak teams.

[Daniel Labude]

What in the f*** are you even talking about? They gave Jimenez more money and assigned him to a higher, more challenging level. Coaching and development? You think that the f***ing dirt fields of the DSL where half the pitchers walk 50% of the batters they face is somehow a BETTER situation for Hiraldo to develop in, versus the GCL where the team plays at the SPRING COMPLEX of the organization and has access to far better coaching, medical, and nutrition?

 

You just wrote one of the single dumbest diatribes I've ever seen posted on this forum. The Dominican Summer League is s***-tier baseball. To state that they sent a player that they supposedly like more down to play in that situation as some sort of "player development" decision is absolutely retarded. Miguel Hiraldo is learning nothing facing DSL pitchers. Its a league wherein you can pretty much just not swing the bat at all and still get on base at a ~30% clip.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.baseballamerica.com/stories/top-20-dominican-summer-league-prospects-2018/%3Famphtml

 

Guess all those former, current, and some top prospects are doomed cause you know...nobody of any type of success every plays in the DSL....lmao

[John_Havok]

I ended up going down a pretty deep rabbit hole looking into this. Nick Senzel hit .352/.456/.595 with eight home runs over 57 games in his Junior year but he hit .329 /.415/.567 with seven home runs in 58 games at low A. So obviously the levels are comparable, but it seems like low A is a little bit more difficult than what he was seeing in college.

 

I found a really cool article about the equivalencies of other leagues around the world: https://www.nationalsarmrace.com/?p=3008

He says the cape cod league is the best amateur league and is roughly equivalent to high A, and a matchup of the absolute best ncaa teams on a friday night would be roughly equivalent to Low A

 

Brandon McCarthy thinks the best Div-1 teams would have a chance in a 7-game series against a low-A team, but would probably fall short due to pitching depth. (https://www.quora.com/How-would-the-best-college-baseball-team-your-opinion-of-the-best-team-do-against-an-average-team-in-each-level-of-minor-league-baseball-A-AA-AAA?__snids__=1644684008)

 

Nice. I was more trying to compare the cape cod, where a lot of the best college guys showcase, to advanced A.

 

Yes, teams in the NCAA are not comparable to High A teams, but an all star team of the top college players could probably compete there. I just don't see how guys get challenged by going to SS ball against basically a mix of all the same level guys they played against in college and other guys whose careers have stalled out, and the next year maybe go up to full season low A, where they should have been already.

 

The best guys from college should be going to Low A IMO.

[John_Havok]

Noda just jacked HR #9... dude is on some kind of fire right now. They really need to push him up a level

[Slade]

Pannone rehabbing before his suspension is up.

 

Got rocked tonight in Dunedin 4.2 IP 9H 7ER 1BB 1K

[BlueRocky]

Leonardo Jimenez definitely deserves some hype. And Hiraldo needs to get out of DSL soon. Unless he has visa issues, he should be in GCL with Conine and Brodt migrating to Vancouver.

 

All three of Groshans, Hiraldo, and Jimenez were drafted as SS, but none of them are expected to stick. Actually all three are more likely 3B/2B or corner OF.

 

Orelvis Martinez may join this mix soon.

 

The organization is deep in infield and thin at pitching.

Edited June 23, 2018 by BlueRocky