Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[Laika]

2080 is doing 1-2 hour podcasts and discussing like, 15-20 prospects from each system in depth. It's pretty good content.

[King]

Keith Law's list and prospect opinions are always good for a laugh, but definitely not worth any money.

 

The four pillars are now BP, BA, MLB.com, and 2080.

 

Not like BP has been that great recently, since they lost most of their writers, like Jason Parkes, and goofs like Bret Sayre are running the show. Fangraphs is pretty good with Longenhagen and McDaniel was excellent. MLB.com is great considering for free content as well.

[Laika]

Not like BP has been that great recently, since they lost most of their writers, like Jason Parkes, and goofs like Bret Sayre running the show. Fangraphs is pretty good with Longenhagen and McDaniel was excellent. MLB.com is great considering for free content as well.

 

You're right about Fangraphs. Longenhagen seems great. Five pillars.

 

BP is still a staple. Their scouts are very good, even if you haven't learned their names yet. They get the benefit of the doubt as a scout factory until they start to fail. Their Eyewitness Reports in particular are great. I don't value their rankings very much at all. Love the player pages though and minor league game notes.

[TheHurl]

Teddy Cahill has Brady Singer as a potential 1-1 candidate in 2018. That's the Seth Beer draft so probably not going to happen.[/font][/color]

 

Perfect Game has Beer 7th in that draft (Singer 3rd behind Rocker and Turang). I know nothing about the high school guys, and really don't care as that will change a million times by 2018 but this is considered to be the best Freshman class in years. 2018 could be such an impact year with a great free agent class and potentially great draft class too.

[King]

You're right about Fangraphs. Longenhagen seems great. Five pillars.

 

BP is still a staple. Their scouts are very good, even if you haven't learned their names yet. They get the benefit of the doubt as a scout factory until they start to fail. Their Eyewitness Reports in particular are great. I don't value their rankings very much at all. Love the player pages though and minor league game notes.

 

I can agree about BP. I like the eyewitness reports and minor league game notes. It's not all dark and gloom there.

[King]

Perfect Game has Beer 7th in that draft (Singer 3rd behind Rocker and Turang). I know nothing about the high school guys, and really don't care as that will change a million times by 2018 but this is considered to be the best Freshman class in years. 2018 could be such an impact year with a great free agent class and potentially great draft class too.

 

Keith Law said in his chat the other day that he doesn't consider Beer as the front runner for 1-1 in 2018 as well. Pretty weird considering all the reports on him have been pretty glowing. He rakes!

[King]

Get on the Hype Train!

 

 

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[TheHurl]

Keith Law said in his chat the other day that he doesn't consider Beer as the front runner for 1-1 in 2018 as well. Pretty weird considering all the reports on him have been pretty glowing. He rakes!

 

I've read repeatedly that he'd go top 3 if he was in this draft class as he should be. Goes to college as a 17 year old and rakes (admittedly he slowed down in ACC play). Much like my freshman assessments of Bryant and Rendon....I will not drop Beer ever. Top 20 MLB hitter FV is lowest I'm going on this one.

[P2F]

MLB Pipeline's Top 10 SS Prospects:

 

 

1. Gleyber Torres, SS, NYY

2. Dansby Swanson, SS, ATL

3. Amed Rosario, SS, NYM

4. J.P. Crawford, SS, PHI

5. Brendan Rodgers, SS/2B, COL

6. Willy Adames, SS, TB

7. Kevin Maitan, SS, ATL

8. Jorge Mateo, SS/2B, NYY

9. Nick Gordon, SS, MIN

10. Franklin Barreto, SS/2B, OAK

[King]

MLB Pipeline's Top 10 SS Prospects:

 

 

1. Gleyber Torres, SS, NYY

2. Dansby Swanson, SS, ATL

3. Amed Rosario, SS, NYM

4. J.P. Crawford, SS, PHI

5. Brendan Rodgers, SS/2B, COL

6. Willy Adames, SS, TB

7. Kevin Maitan, SS, ATL

8. Jorge Mateo, SS/2B, NYY

9. Nick Gordon, SS, MIN

10. Franklin Barreto, SS/2B, OAK

 

I didn't think Urena would make it. I like him but there's a good amount of shortstop prospect depth there in the minors right now. You could argue him over say, Nick Gordon but Gordon has the prospecty hype behind him where Urena really doesn't.

[43211234]

Franklin Barreto only #10. I think the Donaldson trade might've been pretty good.

[Krylian]

Franklin Barreto only #10. I think the Donaldson trade might've been pretty good.

 

I'm still not sold.

[KingKat]

Anyone else surprised by Crawford at 4? I thought his stock was higher than that. I'd say ahead of Rosario at the very least.

[AdamGreenwood]

When I do my farm rankings, I'll be using 5 sources.

 

So far, I'm thinking:

 

Baseball America

FanGraphs

MLB Pipeline

Baseball Prospectus

2080Baseball

 

Feel free to argue for replacing one of them.

 

Keith Law

[Nafro]

When I do my farm rankings, I'll be using 5 sources.

 

So far, I'm thinking:

 

Baseball America

FanGraphs

MLB Pipeline

Baseball Prospectus

2080Baseball

 

Feel free to argue for replacing one of them.

 

Keith Law

 

I feel if you use Keith Law you will render all work invalid.

[Laika]

Anyone else surprised by Crawford at 4? I thought his stock was higher than that. I'd say ahead of Rosario at the very least.

 

I would flip him with Rosario too. That might be prospect fatigue. But aside from that I'm not surprised. He was young, but a .688 OPS is still a turn off. Dansby and Gleyber have a lot more shimmer.

[Dr. Dinger]

Anyone else surprised by Crawford at 4? I thought his stock was higher than that. I'd say ahead of Rosario at the very least.

 

I'm more surprised at Torres ahead of Swanson.

[KingKat]

I'm more surprised at Torres ahead of Swanson.

 

Yeah I guess that is surprising but I'm o.k. with it.

[King]

Perfect Game has Beer 7th in that draft (Singer 3rd behind Rocker and Turang). I know nothing about the high school guys, and really don't care as that will change a million times by 2018 but this is considered to be the best Freshman class in years. 2018 could be such an impact year with a great free agent class and potentially great draft class too.

[P2F]

Keith Law 100-61

 

100. Brandon Woodruff, RHP, Milwaukee

99. Robert Stephenson, RHP, Cincinnati

98. Sam Travis, 1B, Boston

97. Alex Kirilloff, OF, Minnesota

96. Jeff Hoffman, RHP, Colorado

95. Zack Collins, C, White Sox

94. Luis Castillo, RHP, Cincinnati

93. A.J. Puk, LHP, Oakland

92. Christin Stewart, OF, Detroit

91. Stephen Gonsalves, LHP, Minnesota

90. Jahmai Jones, OF, Angels

89. Jack Flaherty, RHP, St. Louis

88. Justus Sheffield, LHP, Yankees

87. Kohl Stewart, RHP, Minnesota

86. Dylan Cease, RHP, Cubs

85. Triston McKenzie, RHP, Cleveland

84. Justin Dunn, RHP, Mets

83. Riley Pint, RHP, Colorado

82. Matt Manning, RHP, Detroit

81. Sean Newcomb, LHP, Atlanta

80. Adrian Morejon, LHP, San Diego

79. Luis Ortiz, RHP, Milwaukee

78. Forrest Whitley, RHP, Houston

77. Luiz Gohara, LHP, Atlanta

76. Robert Gsellman, RHP, Mets

75. Yohander Mendez, LHP, Texas

74. Ke'Bryan Hayes, 3B, Pittsburgh

73. Jose De Leon, RHP, Tampa Bay

72. Sean Reid-Foley, RHP, Toronto

71. Josh Hader, LHP, Milwaukee

70. Lucas Erceg, 3B, Milwaukee

69. Chance Sisco, C, Baltimore

68. Kyle Lewis, OF, Seattle

67. Trent Clark, OF, Milwaukee

66. Franklin Perez, RHP, Houston

65. Fernando Romero, RHP, Minnesota

64. Ariel Jurado, RHP, Texas

63. Ian Happ, 2B, Cubs

62. Tyler Beede, RHP, San Francisco

61. Delvin Perez, SS, St. Louis

Here's 60-41:

 

60. Thomas Szapucki, LHP, Mets

59. Kevin Maitan, SS, Atlanta

58. Raimel Tapia, OF, Colorado

57. Kyle Tucker, OF, Houston

56. Franklin Barreto, SS, Oakland

55. Anthony Alford, OF, Toronto

54. Brent Honeywell, RHP, Tampa Bay

53. Nick Gordon, SS, Minnesota

52. Ian Anderson, RHP, Atlanta

51. Carson Kelly, C, St. Louis

50. Max Fried, LHP, Atlanta

49. Jesse Winker, OF, Cincinnati

48. Vladimir Guerrero Jr., 3B, Toronto

47. Fernando Tatis Jr., 3B, San Diego

46. Yadier Alvarez, RHP, Dodgers

45. Jorge Alfaro, C, Philadelphia

44. Aaron Judge OF, Yankees

43. Willy Adames, 2B, Tampa Bay

42. Braxton Garrett, LHP, Miami

41. Isan Diaz, 2B, Milwaukee

Edited January 26, 2017 by P2F

[TheHurl]

Isan Diaz is such a horrible #40. Somewhere between 40 and 200 places too high

[Abomination]

Isan Diaz is such a horrible #40. Somewhere between 40 and 200 places too high

 

SRF ahead of De Leon jumps out to me.

[King]

SRF ahead of De Leon jumps out to me.

Law is the low guy on De Leon. Thinks he lacks a swing and miss pitch

[Rusty_Savage]

Yeah I guess that is surprising but I'm o.k. with it.

 

That have anything to do with Torres being a Yankee prospect now?

[Laika]

Isan Diaz is such a horrible #40. Somewhere between 40 and 200 places too high

 

he's good - plus hit, plus power, 50 defender up the middle.

[P2F]

I didn't think Urena would make it. I like him but there's a good amount of shortstop prospect depth there in the minors right now. You could argue him over say, Nick Gordon but Gordon has the prospecty hype behind him where Urena really doesn't.

That's funny - I had the same thought about Nick Gordon when I saw this list.

 

SS is loaded with top prospect talent, but some of these guys will not play any (or very little) SS in the majors. We could still see Urena near the ass-end of the top 100 when it's released this Saturday.

[TheHurl]

he's good - plus hit, plus power, 50 defender up the middle.

 

I'll give you 1.5 of the 3. He's a defender up the middle (who has zero ability to make good smart decisions, 24 of 31 errors being throwing errors) he's a 20 head and despite a compact swing he's going to strike out a third of the time, because he's too stupid to know better.

[P2F]

My 2017 Composite Rankings of the big prospects lists will be a thing again this year:

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AYHdbnvRKdiWSf40UwfPj37Stm7mZKCorcZCZZzNhSY/edit?usp=sharing

[Laika]

I'll give you 1.5 of the 3. He's a defender up the middle (who has zero ability to make good smart decisions, 24 of 31 errors being throwing errors) he's a 20 head and despite a compact swing he's going to strike out a third of the time, because he's too stupid to know better.

 

He actually seems smart to know. Knows how to trade K's for dingers. That's something most little MIFs are too "smart" to do.

[TheHurl]

He actually seems smart to know. Knows how to trade K's for dingers. That's something most little MIFs are too "smart" to do.

 

I suppose the Brewers should be bad enough for the next while to allow him to forge a Danny Espinosa roller coaster type career.