Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[THANOS]

I'm still playing with my list but currently three of those are not in my top 5

 

What's yours? I know some really like Greene, but, for me, he's not top 5.

 

I can understand if you have Gurriel Jr in there. On second thought, he's probably in my top 5, ahead of Urena, and boxing out Tellez.

[jaysguy44]

So Vlad JR is legit? Always been intrigued by him because of his dad.

[Laika]

Toronto's system has a few who could be #1

[Jimcanuck]

Toronto's system has a few who could be #1

 

vlad, reid-foley, tellez, alford all defensible as #1

[THANOS]

So Vlad JR is legit? Always been intrigued by him because of his dad.

 

Absolutely. The peripherals by him at that age is astounding.

[P2F]

vlad, reid-foley, tellez, alford all defensible as #1

Replace Tellez with Greene in that sentence, and I agree.

[Jimcanuck]

Replace Tellez with Greene in that sentence, and I agree.

 

Tellez the real deal bro. Look at age/level, k rate, walk rate, progression rate - everything is on point. His numbers actually improving as he has moved up through the system.

 

Only mark against him is he is seen as a DH guy but the recent reports suggest he could play an average 1B.

[P2F]

Tellez the real deal bro. Look at age/level, k rate, walk rate, progression rate - everything is on point. His numbers actually improving as he has moved up through the system.

 

Only mark against him is he is seen as a DH guy but the recent reports suggest he could play an average 1B.

 

I like Tellez, bro. I'm well aware of the stats - trust me.

 

I don't think he should be anyone's number one, but I won't knock someone if they put him there; I'm all for list disparity. That's why we're crowd-sourcing the list. I'm actually really excited to see the results.

[THANOS]

My final list is probably:

 

1) Vlad Guerrero Jr

2) Anthony Alford

3) Sean Reid-Foley

4) Lourdes Gurriel Jr

5) Richard Urena

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6) Rowdy Tellez

7) Bo Bichette

8) Conner Greene

9) TJ Zeuch

10) Jon Harris

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11) Justin Maese

12) Max Pentacost

13) Reese McGuire

14) Harold Ramirez

15) Josh Palacios

Edited November 16, 2016 by THANOS

[jays4life19]

My final list is probably:

 

1) Vlad Guerrero Jr

2) Anthony Alford

3) Sean Reid-Foley

4) Lourdes Gurriel Jr

5) Richard Urena

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6) Rowdy Tellez

7) Bo Bichette

8) Conner Greene

9) TJ Zeuch

10) Jon Harris

 

You know it's a top 15, right?

[Krylian]

I don't have BoBi quite as high as some of you might...and the only reason is that I want to see him do it at a higher level. Should he be in Lansing this year and the bat still produces, he'll skyrocket.

[THANOS]

You know it's a top 15, right?

 

Ok, then the rest is likely:

 

11) Justin Maese

12) Max Pentacost

13) Reese McGuire

14) Harold Ramirez

15) Josh Palacios

[KingKat]

I like Tellez, bro. I'm well aware of the stats - trust me.

 

I don't think he should be anyone's number one, but I won't knock someone if they put him there; I'm all for list disparity. That's why we're crowd-sourcing the list. I'm actually really excited to see the results.

 

I have to admit. I don't really see the argument for Greene.

[Jimcanuck]

I have to admit. I don't really see the argument for Greene.

 

He's a model. That will get him points from BJMB fanboys.

[THANOS]

I have to admit. I don't really see the argument for Greene.

 

Same, he's just another guy with a good fastball and nothing else.

[P2F]

I have to admit. I don't really see the argument for Greene.

 

Are you only looking at stats? He has two plus pitches already (fastball and changeup), and a third, his curveball, flashes plus. He's still very much a project at this point, but his stuff is legit. Command of those pitches, if it comes, will generate the sexy results and shoot him to the top of prospect lists.

[Grant77]

Same, he's just another guy with a good fastball and nothing else.

 

His hard curve is a plus pitch and the changeup is coming along well considering he didn't even throw one until we drafted him. Stats are helpful, but you are going to miss on a lot of players if you ignore half of the big picture.

[Orgfiller]

I think KingKat just watched Anger Management at some point and wasn't impressed with Greene's performance.

 

kidding...

[burlingtonbandit]

His hard curve is a plus pitch and the changeup is coming along well considering he didn't even throw one until we drafted him. Stats are helpful, but you are going to miss on a lot of players if you ignore half of the big picture.

 

Where have you seen his curveball being a 70 pitch?

[Pendleton]

I don't have BoBi quite as high as some of you might...and the only reason is that I want to see him do it at a higher level. Should he be in Lansing this year and the bat still produces, he'll skyrocket.

 

That's basically my take, Bo had an extremely impressive pro debut and could easily shoot up the list next year, but for now I couldn't justify putting him ahead of other guys with impressive tools who are having success in the upper minors.

[Orgfiller]

Where have you seen his curveball being a 70 pitch?

 

Where did he say that at all? Plus is a 60 at best.

[KingKat]

I think KingKat just watched Anger Management at some point and wasn't impressed with Greene's performance.

 

kidding...

 

I'll just assume it was terrible and that he should focus on baseball.

[Krylian]

Where did he say that at all? Plus is a 60 at best.

 

I also think Greene has a good curve, but to be fair...isn't the scouting scale kinda like this...

 

50 - Average

60 - Above Average

70 - Plus

80 - Plus Plus

 

Or am I wrong?

[KingKat]

I don't really see the point in putting a numeric value on a subjective assessment. Just seems like a way to make scouting seem more scientific than it is. I mean I guess it's the best way to average out multiple assessments but it feels pretty forced.

[Grant77]

I also think Greene has a good curve, but to be fair...isn't the scouting scale kinda like this...

 

50 - Average

60 - Above Average

70 - Plus

80 - Plus Plus

 

Or am I wrong?

 

If that's the accepted nomenclature then I had it wrong and meant to say that his curve is 60 grade. He throws it as hard as 85 on the stadium gun and it has late bite. It reminds me a lot of Yordano Ventura.

[Laika]

I also think Greene has a good curve, but to be fair...isn't the scouting scale kinda like this...

 

50 - Average

60 - Above Average

70 - Plus

80 - Plus Plus

 

Or am I wrong?

 

you are wrong

 

45 below avg

50- fringe average

50 avg

50+ solid average

55 above avg

60 plus

70 double plus

80 elite

[Grant77]

I don't really see the point in putting a numeric value on a subjective assessment. Just seems like a way to make scouting seem more scientific than it is. I mean I guess it's the best way to average out multiple assessments but it feels pretty forced.

 

What I do is try to look at comparable players and see how their pitches grade out, but you're right that it is very subjective. It just gets rid of the confusion involving semantics, like what just happened.

 

I do think it is useful for things like speed and arm strength though. Scouts have defined parameters for each grade.

[burlingtonbandit]

Where did he say that at all? Plus is a 60 at best.

 

Thought he said "plus plus". My mistake.

[jerb]

 

 

Keegan Matheson

‏@KeeganMatheson

#BlueJays prospect Rowdy Tellez, has been dealing with elbow “discomfort”, according his Dominican team @EOBASEBALLCLUB. Returning to U.S.

 

Keegan Matheson

‏@KeeganMatheson

Tellez last played on Nov 10. “Discomfort” in quotations as this is translated from Spanish, so don’t assume details based on verbiage here.

[43211234]

TJS for a 1B!