Blue Jays TV Ratings Up Massively

[RealAccountant]

As excited as many are for Shapiro, it's clear that a big reason he's here is that he's been in a cheapskate market and that's right up Rogers alley. They want someone in charge that's used to not having money cause they don't plan on increasing the payroll at all... Probably will go down due to the horrible dollar.

 

Yeppers

 

Cad dollar excuse one

[Trouba95]

Sell the Jays, Rogers. Sell it to someone willing to spend.

[metafour]

As excited as many are for Shapiro, it's clear that a big reason he's here is that he's been in a cheapskate market and that's right up Rogers alley.

 

How is that "clear" at all? They also had confirmed serious discussions with Dombrowski who doesn't fit that "profile" at all. If the plan all along was to get some guy they know won't demand money, then why even waste time with Dombrowski? Kenny Williams is another guy they were after last season, and the White Sox have had among the highest year-to-year payrolls in baseball during the majority of his years there.

[guylaroche5]

As excited as many are for Shapiro, it's clear that a big reason he's here is that he's been in a cheapskate market and that's right up Rogers alley. They want someone in charge that's used to not having money cause they don't plan on increasing the payroll at all... Probably will go down due to the horrible dollar.

 

I hate Rogers as much as the next guy (mostly due to their s***** service) but this post just reeks of the old "corporations are cheap and evil" spiel we've heard a thousand times. The fact of the matter is we have a top 10 payroll that a lot of mid-market teams would kill to have, be grateful! The dollar is honestly not that big of a deal, I'm sure the Jays are hedging appropriately and have an ample amount of US securities.

[Abomination]

Sell the Jays, Rogers. Sell it to someone willing to spend.

 

Having the Jays with Rogers is an ideal scenario for us. It provides perfect stability, and the ownership has motivation to win because of the synergy with their other products. We have (I believe) a top 10 payroll.

[Orgfiller]

Sell the Jays, Rogers. Sell it to someone willing to spend.

 

Top 10 payroll in MLB, omg sell the team Rogers are such cheapos!

[Hipfan]

Only problem is the 5 year limit on contracts, which is now out the window (according to Stephen Brunt). And that was a Beeston thing not a Rogers thing. So I'm hopeful they will have a shot at Price, even if they don't land him. TV ratings should help spur Rogers into spending more...

[admin]

The city loves Price. It will be a big hit to casual ticket buyers and potential season ticket holders if he leaves. I guarantee the casual fan will be saying pay him what he wants.

[RealAccountant]

We will be lucky if Cheaparo spends that on the entire rotation

[Mikeleelop]

Shapiro won't sign anybody

 

He will.suggest Rogers go to 70 mil payroll and make more profit

 

I can win with less - Shapiro

 

based on facts? no, Cleveland does not equal Toronto. Toronto is the fourth largest market in North America. Higher if you include the rural areas of the country

[Mikeleelop]

I hate Rogers as much as the next guy (mostly due to their s***** service) but this post just reeks of the old "corporations are cheap and evil" spiel we've heard a thousand times. The fact of the matter is we have a top 10 payroll that a lot of mid-market teams would kill to have, be grateful! The dollar is honestly not that big of a deal, I'm sure the Jays are hedging appropriately and have an ample amount of US securities.

 

except the Jays are not a mid market team. they are a large market team with the wealthiest owners in MLB and the highest TV 3's in MLB. They should be top 5 payroll based on that

[Krylian]

The payroll is fine.

 

Here's what has rubbed me the wrong way...

 

Rogers pulling the rug out from JP years ago and stayed cheap for a few years after.

 

The 5 year max... Maybe it was Beeston's, but we see that Shapiro also believes in that kind of thing based on what we've read... I don't buy that Rogers isn't on board with those kind of shackles as well.

 

AA being hamstringed last deadline with no funds (payroll parameters). Adding a few million for a couple of months when you're within striking distance should be an automatic.

 

The whole having to pan handle for money to go after Santana. Completely desperate measures and an embarrassment.

 

The only reason AA could add this year is because he held back payroll at the beginning of the year to save it for the deadline. Good on him... But it would be nice if he didn't have to do that and our completely loaded owners actually allowed him to go above and beyond when the team is in the hunt, and not have to handicap itself for the first two thirds of the season because they need to save it for later.

 

I fully expect the Canadian dollar to be a reason for payroll issues...

 

I expect the 5 year max to be in full effect, but they will say they'd waive it for the right player... And I don't believe this player exists.

 

Payroll parameters will be in full effect and I feel Rogers will have learned nothing from the increased ticket sales, TV ratings, etc from this glorious run.

 

I would give anything to be proven wrong. But my disdain for them is long and deep... And I need to see some real change to believe things won't play out this way.

 

Feel free to bash on, but I don't trust them.

[Abomination]

except the Jays are not a mid market team. they are a large market team with the wealthiest owners in MLB and the highest TV 3's in MLB. They should be top 5 payroll based on that

 

Rogers wealth has nothing to do with things. Any business that doesn't care about losing money, isn't going to be stable in the long term. Rich people who own teams personally generally don't like losing money either. Most didn't get rich by taking a lot of losses. The exceptions are the odd owner who doesn't have long left, and cares more about winning than anything else (or is using it to leverage something else, see Detroit). Those aren't plentiful, don't offer long term security, and payroll only gets inflated for a very short time.

 

We are definitely a large market team. I'm not sure about top 5, but top 10 is very fair.

 

Revenue from TV ratings in Canada can't be compared directly to that in the States, especially for our national broadcasts as opposed to concentrated local ones. Ad revenue in Canada is much less than what it is for the same ratings in large markets in the US.

[Mikeleelop]

Rogers wealth has nothing to do with things. Any business that doesn't care about losing money, isn't going to be stable in the long term. Rich people who own teams personally generally don't like losing money either. Most didn't get rich by taking a lot of losses. The exceptions are the odd owner who doesn't have long left, and cares more about winning than anything else (or is using it to leverage something else, see Detroit). Those aren't plentiful, don't offer long term security, and payroll only gets inflated for a very short time.

 

We are definitely a large market team. I'm not sure about top 5, but top 10 is very fair.

 

Revenue from TV ratings in Canada can't be compared directly to that in the States, especially for our national broadcasts as opposed to concentrated local ones. Ad revenue in Canada is much less than what it is for the same ratings in large markets in the US.

 

Revenue to the blue jays is arbitrarily allocated by Rogers. If you compare what roger paid to the nhl for hockey rights and the number of viewers the nhl generates to baseball viewers generated by bluejay games the rights to blue jay games would compare very favorably to all the top market deals. LAD and Yankees for instance

 

So a payroll where those two teams are still generate a significant profit. That is sustainable. Maybe Rogers gets the message about the value of a winning mlb powerhouse. Hope this bumps payroll to keep the staff together. We will see

[Followthelight]

except the Jays are not a mid market team. they are a large market team with the wealthiest owners in MLB and the highest TV 3's in MLB. They should be top 5 payroll based on that

 

What does the bolded even mean?

[burlingtonbandit]

Revenue to the blue jays is arbitrarily allocated by Rogers. If you compare what roger paid to the nhl for hockey rights and the number of viewers the nhl generates to baseball viewers generated by bluejay games the rights to blue jay games would compare very favorably to all the top market deals. LAD and Yankees for instance

 

So a payroll where those two teams are still generate a significant profit. That is sustainable. Maybe Rogers gets the message about the value of a winning mlb powerhouse. Hope this bumps payroll to keep the staff together. We will see

 

Very true. Jays should be around average of 800,000 viewers per game by the end of the season for 162 dates per year. That would be a total of 129, 600,000 viewers.

 

NHL season is around 33 weeks. Say they average 4 million viewers a week (3 NHL games per week) that would bring the yearly total to 132 million. Even if you add an extra million per week thats 165 million viewers. Now if the NHL contract is worth 500 million per season I think its safe to say the Jays one worth at bare min. a quarter of that on a year to year basis.

 

Thats $125 million. Jays payroll should be at Least 160 million next season.

[Caper]

Thats $125 million. Jays payroll should be at Least 160 million next season.

 

Just because?

[Dick_Pole]

Holy f*** we're not even in the post-season yet and there's already two whinos complaining about NEXT YEARS payroll and complaining that Rogers should sell the team to someone who cares. Who exactly would be lining up to buy in this city who has the will and the means? The Fords?

[Abomination]

Very true. Jays should be around average of 800,000 viewers per game by the end of the season for 162 dates per year. That would be a total of 129, 600,000 viewers.

 

NHL season is around 33 weeks. Say they average 4 million viewers a week (3 NHL games per week) that would bring the yearly total to 132 million. Even if you add an extra million per week thats 165 million viewers. Now if the NHL contract is worth 500 million per season I think its safe to say the Jays one worth at bare min. a quarter of that on a year to year basis.

 

Thats $125 million. Jays payroll should be at Least 160 million next season.

 

The NHL deal is to cover ALL NHL games, not just the Leafs. They show a hell of a lot more than 3 games a week.

[burlingtonbandit]

The NHL deal is to cover ALL NHL games, not just the Leafs. They show a hell of a lot more than 3 games a week.

 

Sorry its 5 games a week forgot about the late games. 2 on HNIC Saturday sometimes 3 later on in the year. 1 on Sunday CityTV and 2 on Wednesday on SN.

[Abomination]

Sorry its 5 games a week forgot about the late games. 2 on HNIC Saturday sometimes 3 later on in the year. 1 on Sunday CityTV and 2 on Wednesday on SN.

 

You're forgetting regional games.

 

Sportsnet is showing 500+ games this year, 200+ of which are national.

 

The deal also includes NHL Center Ice rights for Canadians.

[burlingtonbandit]

You're forgetting regional games.

 

Sportsnet is showing 500+ games this year, 200+ of which are national.

 

The deal also includes NHL Center Ice rights for Canadians.

 

The 500 million$ deal only included national games, not regional games.

[dineke]

Holy crap, jays games are averaging more viewers than sunday night baseball in the states. lol

[Abomination]

The 500 million$ deal only included national games, not regional games.

 

Hmmm, yeah, you're right. Rogers holds some of the regional ones too, but in separate deals. Apparently for games where they hold both, they can show them nationally as well. They still are showing 200+ national games this year, and they have NHL Center Ice revenue, and Gamecenter Live as well (not to mention they pawned off the french language rights for a nice sum).

[burlingtonbandit]

Hmmm, yeah, you're right. Rogers holds some of the regional ones too, but in separate deals. Apparently for games where they hold both, they can show them nationally as well. They still are showing 200+ national games this year, and they have NHL Center Ice revenue, and Gamecenter Live as well (not to mention they pawned off the french language rights for a nice sum).

 

Yeah my point was more about how the Jays TV deal is probably worth 150 million per season if you were to compare it to the NHL contract, not the actual NHL contract itself.

[Krylian]

Holy f*** we're not even in the post-season yet and there's already two whinos complaining about NEXT YEARS payroll and complaining that Rogers should sell the team to someone who cares. Who exactly would be lining up to buy in this city who has the will and the means? The Fords?

 

What is this thread about? TV ratings going up (attendance numbers also going through the roof in a related story). The discussion is regarding how these impacts will impact business going forward... And how/if the new president can leverage it in 2016 and beyond.

 

Some people are able to discuss both short term and long term.

[Mowich]

I'm one of those 'rural' folks you mentioned and I haven't misses a televised game yet. I have to admit that I am a wagon-jumper as baseball is not usually one of the sports I follow but the Jays changed all that this year. I am so happy for the Jays and their fans - the true blue ones that have hung in there year after year. The Jays are a fantastic team and they have super fans. Go Jays.

[vdubmvp]

This explains why Thursday night games this month have shifted back to Sportsnet, as they had been scheduled to air on Sportsnet One because of football.

[Trekkie]

I'm one of those 'rural' folks you mentioned and I haven't misses a televised game yet. I have to admit that I am a wagon-jumper as baseball is not usually one of the sports I follow but the Jays changed all that this year. I am so happy for the Jays and their fans - the true blue ones that have hung in there year after year. The Jays are a fantastic team and they have super fans. Go Jays.

 

Ban for avatar.

[Mozzer]

Hopefully Rogers ponies up for Price with all the extra money their getting from TV revenue. Wouldn't bet on it tho.