Mark Shapiro leading candidate to replace Beeston

[Atothe]

What kind of Indians fans are we talking about here?

 

Twitter, sbnation blog, the replies to Ken Rosenthal's tweet. Obviously not a large group but the initial reactions are yes please.

[Captain Adama]

Twitter, sbnation blog, the replies to Ken Rosenthal's tweet. Obviously not a large group but the initial reactions are yes please.

 

Ah, so the run-of-the mill idiots.

[Atothe]

Ah, so the run-of-the mill idiots.

 

I suppose but I don't know where exactly to find the smart ones

[Captain Adama]

I suppose but I don't know where exactly to find the smart ones

 

I tried to find them, but I couldn't.

[GD]

Didn't "Billy Beane" actually go to Cleveland to negotiate a trade with Shapiro where he meets "Peter Brand"? I know there was the phone call scene too

 

You think cash-strapped Oakland would fly Beane out for a routine trade discussion? Didn't happen, I recall reading (and it makes sense too). The discussion was real. But the scene was fake.

[King_]

Great news

[glory]

Upgrade over Beeston, and I would trust Shapiro to build a more saber-friendly front office than Beeston did (who was trapped somewhere between the 70's and 80's).

[baubau]

PLEASE. bring Carrasco too

 

While he is at it, might as well bring that Kluber fella. I hear he's OKAY at this basebol game.

 

Technically no since its a promotion and since they might be looking to make a change anyways. I highly doubt they would go full Angelos over this. At most maybe a David Carpenter-esque player.

 

A side note, I think I was one of many (or what I believe to be many) who was willing to give up Pillar as compensation for DD last season thinking he'd just be a "throw in". I now realize if you are going to throw away something for a exec, throw away something that has years of proven sucking. Pretty happy that the O's went nuts with their demands and nothing ended up happening.

[BlueBirdBro]

Wasn't Beeston a major player in us possibly finally maybe eventually getting a real grass field? If that's all he has done for the team in the past decade that's fine.

[Angrioter]

Shapiro (WAR$) first move will be fire Alex (Win ERA AVG)

[baubau]

Looking at his history Shapiro has robbed some people. I know he is going to be more in the "business" side of things but its nice not having a total f***ing idiot in the game being President.

 

Bartolo Colon for Grady Sizemore, Brandon Phillips and Cliff Lee

Ben Broussard for Shin-Soo Choo

 

Drafting on the other hand is not his forte. I admit I didn't look far back into 2001 but for the final few years the best players he got were Jason Kipnis and Drew Pomeranz.

[glory]

Shapiro (WAR$) first move will be fire Alex (Win ERA AVG)

 

 

Yep, and if Alex goes, Gibbons follows. Shapiro destroying the current front office/management and reloading with younger/brighter minds would be awesome. No more old school s***. Get with the times.

[Virgil_Hiltz]

Well, its not like we're the Dodgers. The unwritten rule among front offices (which dicks like Angelos don't follow anyway) is that you don't get in the way of promotions, a shift from Cleveland to Toronto with the same job title strictly speaking is not a promotion.

So the Jays will make up a super duper phoney title and slap it on Shapiro so it appears as a promotion.

[dineke]

Yep, and if Alex goes, Gibbons follows. Shapiro destroying the current front office/management and reloading with younger/brighter minds would be awesome. No more old school s***. Get with the times.

 

I doubt rogers would let him fire AA after making them all that money.

[glory]

I doubt rogers would let him fire AA after making them all that money.

 

Alex is a free agent. He can go elsewhere if he wants to as well, and I'm sure he'll have interested teams willing to hire him. I can't see them hiring an established guy like Shapiro and then forcing him to keep the free agent GM. Shapiro probably has his own guys in mind.

[baubau]

I doubt rogers would let him fire AA after making them all that money.

 

..but what about all the money he's lost them the past 2 years? I mean, if I had a contract with and gave my money to an investment banker and he looses 10% for 2 years in a row but got me 10% back in the final year, I am still firing him once the contract is up.

[flafson]

Going to be really stupid if the first GM to send us to the playoffs in 20 years gets booted. Might aswell just tell the next GM, if you want your job, don't reach the playoffs.

[dineke]

..but what about all the money he's lost them the past 2 years? I mean, if I had a contract with and gave my money to an investment banker and he looses 10% for 2 years in a row but got me 10% back in the final year, I am still firing him once the contract is up.

 

Why would you fire someone after a successful year but not after the two unsuccessful ones? Doesn't make any sense.

[RealAccountant]

Honestly based on the year AA has had I want him to be in control of our baseball moves. You just know by 2017 he will have this farm fully loaded again

[RealAccountant]

The Indians have accomplished nothing despite being in the AL central

[Trouba95]

Why are all Indian fans saying "good riddance?"

[RealAccountant]

Why are all Indian fans saying "good riddance?"

 

BC they are not doing well this year

[KingKat]

Paul Beeston leaving the Blue Jays and joining the adult film industry as Rosy Bush.

 

Possibly the very last human being I'd want to see doing porn.

[KingKat]

Looking at his history Shapiro has robbed some people. I know he is going to be more in the "business" side of things but its nice not having a total f***ing idiot in the game being President.

 

Bartolo Colon for Grady Sizemore, Brandon Phillips and Cliff Lee

Ben Broussard for Shin-Soo Choo

 

Drafting on the other hand is not his forte. I admit I didn't look far back into 2001 but for the final few years the best players he got were Jason Kipnis and Drew Pomeranz.

 

Casey Blake for Carlos Santana

Esmil Rogers for Yan Gomes and Mike Aviles

[Captain Adama]

Casey Blake for Carlos Santana

Esmil Rogers for Yan Gomes and Mike Aviles

 

The latter trade should probably be on Antonetti's resume, that was made while he was GM at least. But I'll add another.

 

Michael Brantley for Sabathia

 

Carrasco for Cliff Lee

[TwistedLogic]

I've always generally been a fan of AA, but I wouldn't mind bringing in a new GM under Shapiro if they could simultaneously move AA into the scouting director's role (provided he'd accept it). Outside of that, I don't really see how you can lose him from the organization after a year where he picked up Donaldson, Tulowitzki and Travis in some very favorable deals. Especially when you know he can be the guy to restock the system.

[Caper]

Why are all Indian fans saying "good riddance?"

 

Because it's the same thing everyone on here would be saying if he was our president right now.

[Brownie19]

Is he related to Todd Shapiro?

[Atothe]

I've always generally been a fan of AA, but I wouldn't mind bringing in a new GM under Shapiro if they could simultaneously move AA into the scouting director's role (provided he'd accept it). Outside of that, I don't really see how you can lose him from the organization after a year where he picked up Donaldson, Tulowitzki and Travis in some very favorable deals. Especially when you know he can be the guy to restock the system.

 

No way he would accept a demotion.

[glory]

No way he would accept a demotion.

 

If AA leaves, he will get another GM job before the 2016 season. This past winter and trade deadline saved him. If he was on the market after 2014, then he may have had to wait a bit before getting his next shot, but if he leaves after 2015, then he will find work pretty easily. No way he sticks around if Shapiro gets the job.

 

As far as restocking the system quickly, wasn't that in large part because of the prior draft rules that got changed? Without type B free agency and an unlimited draft budget, have the Jays really been all that great at drafting the past couple of years? It will take AA much longer to fix the farm system now than it did in 2010-13.