IYO: Would you trade Hutchison, Alford, Castro and Boyd for Carlos Carrasco?

[flafson]

Why Castro and not Hutch or Alford? I think they're better longterm

 

We do need to give them value and i've seen enough glimpses from Castro to make me cry for more.

[GreekFatAss]

No not with Hutch in it. We would be right back where we started looking for another starter but with less ammo to accomplish it. Depth is just as important as quality.

[BlueJayWay]

Wouldn't give up all three of Hutchison, Alford, Castro.

[Atothe]

We do need to give them value and i've seen enough glimpses from Castro to make me cry for more.

 

Castro made you think wow? You really must be creaming at the pants of what Osuna is doing

[flafson]

Castro made you think wow? You really must be creaming at the pants of what Osuna is doing

 

Not really, he's doing quite well but he doesn't have the same movement that Castro has. Anyway, mute point.

[BTS]

Without question.

[Angrioter]

Hutchison

2014: 23: (8.97 K, 2.92 BB, 1.12 HR)/9, 11% SwStr%, 3.85 FIP

2015: 24: (8.13 K, 2.77 BB, 0.95 HR)/9, 9.4% SwStr%, 3.76 FIP

 

Archer

2013: 24: (7.06 K, 2.66 BB, 1.05 HR)/9, 9.3% SwStr%, 4.07 FIP

2014: 25: (8.00 K, 3.33 BB, 0.55 HR)/9, 12.9% SwStr%, 3.39 FIP

 

Salazar

2014: 24: (09.82 K, 2.86 BB, 1.06 HR)/9, 11.1% SwStr%, 3.52 FIP

2015: 25: (10.66 K, 2.49 BB, 1.20 HR)/9, 13.0% SwStr%, 3.44 FIP

 

Samardzija

2012: 27: (9.27 K, 2.89 BB, 1.03 HR)/9, 11.1% SwStr%, 3.55 FIP

2013: 28: (9.01 K, 3.29 BB, 1.05 HR)/9, 10.3% SwStr%, 3.77 FIP

[Spanky99]

Obvious answer is yes, although Hutch doesn't make sense for either club, just saying.

[TBJ12]

I wouldn't include Hutch in any deal for starting pitching, unless there were multiple starters coming back.

[HERPDERP]

I would try as much as possible to not include Hutch in this deal. Although at the end of the day, if that was the one player blocking this trade, I would give in.

[Boxcar]

First off, Hi Folks! I decided to browse this Message board as I'm curious as to what Jay's fans would be willing to give up for Carrasco. I figured I'd give my opinion on this package!

 

I definitely wouldn't laugh at the offer - but I can guarantee that Chris Antonetti is expecting either an MLB Ready bat or near it. I would expect that for him to deal Carrasco on such an insanely team friendly contract - it would almost have to include Pompey. One thing about our current farm system is that our two top prospects are both CFers (Clint Frazier and Bradley Zimmer) but aren't anywhere near MLB ready. I personally would expect, in terms of how our GM operates that he would want Pompey, a quality AA starter (such as Hoffman, but possibly SRF), and another hitting prospect (Alford). I would love to get Alford from you guys as his approach to baseball since becoming a one sport player has been fantastic. It sounds like a big package but your offense clearly doesn't need any help as you lead the entire MLB in runs by a ton and wouldn't lose any of that offense by trading Pompey.

 

The other thing to note - The Tribe already has depth with starters that will perform as well as Hutchinson which means he wouldn't want another guy like that in a trade. I'll be honest, I don't know much about Boyd. I know he's been stellar this season through AA and AAA so far, but once again if the Tribe trades Carrasco the centerpiece most definitely will be a bat as our offense has been horrible.

 

Pompey, SRF/Hoffman, Alford is definitely a fair ask that I think makes sense for both teams. Holy s***, a rational fan!

[HERPDERP]

It's pretty much like the Donaldson trade. Beane insisted that Lawrie be part of the package, and AA gave in.

[Angrioter]

It's pretty much like the Donaldson trade. Beane insisted that Lawrie be part of the package, and AA gave in.

1-Young offensive player ready to the bigs:

A-Pompey

B-Travis (but Kipnis)

 

2-Best young arm near MLB level

A-Norris

B-Hoffman (TJS)

 

3-Good young arm B+

A-Osuna (TJS)

B-SRF

C-Castro (RP ceiling)

[HERPDERP]

Please Indians do not ask for either Travis for Osuna.

[TBJ12]

What if the Indians are only interested in this specific offer?

 

I'd still make the deal and quickly find someone to replace Hutch.

[flafson]

I'd still make the deal and quickly find someone to replace Hutch.

 

Assuming Hutch of 2014 was a fluke and the real Hutch is the 2015 then replacing him with Carrasco is kinda like replacing Lawrie with Donaldson.

Only problem i see, there isn't as big of a difference between Hutch and Carrasco as there was between Lawrie and Donaldson.

[Boxcar]

2014 Hutch is pretty much the same as 2015 Hutch.

[Atothe]

2014 Hutch is pretty much the same as 2015 Hutch.

 

This is the same guy who said Osuna has a lesser fastball because it lacks movement unlike Castro. Yet Osuna gets so many swinging strikes and Castro barely gets any with his

[G-Snarls]

Please Indians do not ask for either Travis for Osuna.

 

I'd give up more for Kluber, but WTH would they ever trade him

[reedjohnsonfan]

Please Indians do not ask for either Travis for Osuna.

 

They have Kipnis locked up. I would make the trade mentioned by the OP.

[Boxcar]

This is the same guy who said Osuna has a lesser fastball because it lacks movement unlike Castro. Yet Osuna gets so many swinging strikes and Castro barely gets any with his

 

Also said:

Why not? He has shown to be inconsistent at time but also consistent at time. The stuff is clearly there.

 

But we must have hope for everyone to turn things around.

[TwistedLogic]

Feels like a Donaldson type prospects... Is he as good as Donaldson? Take Castro off the list and it's a deal IMO.

 

What if taking Castro out was a deal-breaker?

 

No not with Hutch in it. We would be right back where we started looking for another starter but with less ammo to accomplish it. Depth is just as important as quality.

 

Of all the people who said they wouldn't make this deal, I think you've offered the most defensible and justifiable response so far.

 

I'd give up more for Kluber, but WTH would they ever trade him

 

You could ask the same of Carrasco, but obviously his name's come up (and maybe that was simply the Jays inquiring and the Indians saying no).

[HERPDERP]

I'd give up more for Kluber, but WTH would they ever trade him

 

you just reminded me. Why did the Mets want to give up Dickey? They could have resigned him for cheap, right?

[Atothe]

you just reminded me. Why did the Mets want to give up Dickey? They could have resigned him for cheap, right?

 

Because he was old and coming off a career year. Smart teams sell high on those guys but at the same time they signed Cuddyer to a multi year contract. So what I said was essentially ********

[G-Snarls]

you just reminded me. Why did the Mets want to give up Dickey? They could have resigned him for cheap, right?

 

Supposedly he wouldn't sign for 12.5M x 2 years for them. Then he did with us.

[SomeClevelandFan]

I'd give up more for Kluber, but WTH would they ever trade him

 

Hey now! Don't forget we are the team that traded Cy Young winning pitchers in back-to-back season. (CC Sabathia and Cliff Lee).

[SomeClevelandFan]

Pompey, SRF/Hoffman, Alford is definitely a fair ask that I think makes sense for both teams. Holy s***, a rational fan!

 

I'm glad you think it's rational! I'd trade Carrasco for a package like that, but I'll be honest, I'd miss the guy. He's a good kid that started his career in some heat but has since become the pitcher we expected him to be.

[SomeClevelandFan]

Thanks for stopping by and adding to the discussion!

 

First off, I'd just like to clear up that the purpose of this thread was only to create a package similar to what we gave up to Donaldson, to see if people would make that kind of deal again if they had a chance to reflect on it first. Realistically, I know a package for Carrasco would probably look nothing like this, especially because I don't see the Jays dropping Hutchison in a playoff hunt.

 

Most of us here would be open to moving Pompey in a trade for a guy like Carrasco. The only young position player in the entire system that I probably wouldn't move is Travis. Even though it would kill me to move Alford or Hoffman (both guys have an unreal amount of upside), a package of Pompey, Travis and Hoffman for Carrasco would be very hard to turn down. That being said, I do think that from the Indians perspective, they could probably ask for more than that, and if the Jays aren't comfortable raising the offer, you could probably get it from another club.

 

Lastly, can I ask how you found our forum? It'd be great if there was something we could do to attract more people here.

 

Firstly, we wouldn't ask for Travis. We have Kipnis and most indians fans love the guy. The way he plays the game is something we haven't had since Prime Grady Sizemore. He puts max effort into everything.

 

As for how I found this place, really I just Googled Blue Jays messageboard and skipped over the official MLB board as usually those are dead or filled with fans that just hate on everything, including their own team.

[G-Snarls]

Hey now! Don't forget we are the team that traded Cy Young winning pitchers in back-to-back season. (CC Sabathia and Cliff Lee).

 

LOL

 

True

 

After you rode Sabbathia's poor ass every 3 days down the stretch.

 

So maybe it's time to trade another Cy Young winner after all!!

[Boxcar]

Firstly, we wouldn't ask for Travis. We have Kipnis and most indians fans love the guy. The way he plays the game is something we haven't had since Prime Grady Sizemore. He puts max effort into everything.

 

As for how I found this place, really I just Googled Blue Jays messageboard and skipped over the official MLB board as usually those are dead or filled with fans that just hate on everything, including their own team.

 

Yeah...most of us used to post there before it got so bad we felt the need to migrate.