AA Approval Rating (All-Star Break)

[Governator]

Not replaceling Stroman and rolling with a bunch of rookie pitchers set up this season for failure. If Stroman was here things could have been different.

[RealAccountant]

This analogy is like judging a starting pitcher based solely on wins and losses...

 

It's really not

 

A SP should not be evaluated on fielding and hitting

 

A GM should be evaluated on everything that results in a win including the roster the draft the farm system the in game manager. It would be like saying you shouldn't judge a CEO for whether a company makes a profit or a loss

[RealAccountant]

Not replaceling Stroman and rolling with a bunch of rookie pitchers set up this season for failure. If Stroman was here things could have been different.

 

I don't think so

 

Would the Jays been say 2 win better with Stroman yes but they would still be basically a .500 team

[Smokey]

I approve of his actions, could be better but could be a lot worse.

 

I like the position player core and the farm system so I approve

 

After the Dickey trade he emphatically claimed...

 

"Right now we feel we're so close to contention that this was a deal we needed to make because it's not just about one season. This allows us to put a contending team together for an extended run."

 

AN EXTENDED RUN!!! So now almost 3 years later, you approve of what he's done despite not being remotely close to delivering on his own words??

 

It's pretty clear at this point that after so many years of failure some of you passive putz have completely lost all perspective!

[Brownie19]

It's really not

 

A SP should not be evaluated on fielding and hitting

 

A GM should be evaluated on everything that results in a win including the roster the draft the farm system the in game manager. It would be like saying you shouldn't judge a CEO for whether a company makes a profit or a loss

 

I didn't expect you to get it - but that point is, no matter what moves he makes, there are a TON of things that are simply out of his control. Just like a pitcher. I should just put you back on ignore.

[Smokey]

This analogy is like judging a starting pitcher based solely on wins and losses...

 

You can't be serious....

[Smokey]

I didn't expect you to get it - but that point is, no matter what moves he makes, there are a TON of things that are simply out of his control. Just like a pitcher. I should just put you back on ignore.

 

Wait you are being serious. Insert mind blown gif...

[HERPDERP]

AA started off well with the draft but his trades and inaction have soured on me. I didn't like how he didn't address 2B a few years ago and it showed. Same thing with the bullpen this year.

 

I have no confidence that AA will acquire pitching this trade deadline or even in the offseason.

[RealAccountant]

I didn't expect you to get it - but that point is, no matter what moves he makes, there are a TON of things that are simply out of his control. Just like a pitcher. I should just put you back on ignore.

 

No its not

 

A manager makes decisions and should be judged on the outcome of those decisions not whether or not the decision was good at the time.

 

It's you who doesn't understand executive management evaluation

[HERPDERP]

No its not

 

A manager makes decisions and should be judged on the outcome of those decisions not whether or not the decision was good at the time.

 

It's you who doesn't understand executive management evaluation

 

So how do you feel about the Donaldson trade?

[BlueJayWay]

The Jays bullpen has been great though; they have the fourth-best xFIP- in baseball (90). Better than teams like the Royals and Dodgers. They have pitched in a way that is conducive to success (and their ERA is decent too). The problem has been that a disproportionate number of the bullpen's meltdowns have occurred in high-leverage. That isn't AA's fault and will not continue. It's a fine pen that AA has built.

Speaking of that...http://www.bluebirdbanter.com/2015/7/13/8945405/the-2015-bullpen-when-things-go-wrong-at-the-worst-time

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

How that many people actually approve the job AA is doing is beyond me. Unless you enjoy mediocre win/loss records, having the same gaping holes on our roster go unaddressed every year, and the continuation of our no-playoffs streak, there's nothing to be happy about. I liked the Donaldson and Martin moves as much as anyone, but the results show that it wasn't nearly enough, and all of his other high-profile moves besides dumping Wells have been a disaster. The Napoli trade was bad, the Marlins trade was awful, the Mets trade was a catastrophe of "Lee/Sizemore/Phillips for a one-year Bartolo Colon rental" proportions. Edited July 13, 2015 by FireAlexAnthopoulos

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

toronto is the least attractive city.

It's funny how Toronto was one of the most attractive cities when the Jays had competent management, were making the playoffs and winning championships. "Nobody wants to play in Toronto" is a lame excuse pushed by ownership and the front office to justify mediocrity, mismanagement and (at times) penny-pinching.

 

Offensively, we have one of the best in team history. Defensively the worst. Fielding has been terrible, but much of that is due to injury and some is due to Gibbons. SP has been bad, RP has been average but misused. We should have had a better outfield, but we were counting on Saunders to replace Melky and at the time everyone thought that was genius. now, im thinking we would all love melky. Pompey was really the only bad call, but Pillar has played better than Pompeys best projections.

And who put together this flawed roster?

 

As for pitching, there were plenty of marque names this winter, but big contracts.

Rogers is shelling out upwards of $122 million for an under .500 fourth-place team in baseball's weakest division. Jose f***ing Reyes is making $22 million this year. This is not the time to be using the "big contract" excuse.

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

This analogy is like judging a starting pitcher based solely on wins and losses...

 

No it isn't. A pitcher has little if any control over their win/loss record. The GM has almost total control over the team's win/loss record.

 

If a pitcher has a losing record, it could be that they just suck at pitching in the major leagues, but it's equally possible that they're not getting enough run support and/or defensive help. If a team has a losing record, the GM failed to put together a roster that is conducive to winning.

[RealAccountant]

So how do you feel about the Donaldson trade?

 

2 good decisions do not overcome several bad ones

 

Let's see

 

Francisco trade

Dickey trade

Reyes Trade

Izturis signing

Gomes trade

Happ trade

 

How do you feel about those

 

The Dickey and Reyes trades were franchise crippling trades. Essentially killing the franchise for half a decade

[Governator]

I don't think so

 

Would the Jays been say 2 win better with Stroman yes but they would still be basically a .500 team

 

 

Upgrading a 5th with a front of the line starter is the largest upgrade most teams can make. Replacing Stroman with Sanchez was also one of the largest downgrades we could make. You could argue Stroman could have netted the Jays 3 more wins over what Sanchez has produced which would put them at 48-43. You could even say Sanchez in the BP could have stabilized things much earlier on instead of rolling with Castro in the month of April, putting us in to the 50 win column. It's a ricochet that happened with him going down, it wasn't just a couple extra wins, it made AA make desperate attempts at rolling with rookies from A ball and putting Sanchez in the rotation.

[RealAccountant]

^ Sorry I love Stroman but he isn't a 6 WAR pitcher at least not yet. Nor is Sanchez worth 2 wins in the pen over half a year

[Governator]

^ Sorry I love Stroman but he isn't a 6 WAR pitcher at least not yet. Nor is Sanchez worth 2 wins in the pen over half a year

 

Doesn't mean he would have been a 6 WAR player... Buehrle is a 3 WAR player but I believe Stroman would likely have had similar results. Buerhle is 10-5 in 16 starts, wins are stupid to talk about but he had high expectations coming in to this season that we didn't get to see. The Jays intended to have Stroman be their #1 and when he went down they went with a 6th starter/prospect internally instead of replacing him. I'm not defending AA. Ownership & AA didn't step in and do something to fix a major flaw in their rotation that happened prior to the season starting but if Stroman didn't' go down we don't know where this team would be right now.

[RealAccountant]

I think that if we started looking into injuries Jays have been fairly lucky compared to other teams

[Smokey]

Upgrading a 5th with a front of the line starter is the largest upgrade most teams can make. Replacing Stroman with Sanchez was also one of the largest downgrades we could make. You could argue Stroman could have netted the Jays 3 more wins over what Sanchez has produced which would put them at 48-43. You could even say Sanchez in the BP could have stabilized things much earlier on instead of rolling with Castro in the month of April, putting us in to the 50 win column. It's a ricochet that happened with him going down, it wasn't just a couple extra wins, it made AA make desperate attempts at rolling with rookies from A ball and putting Sanchez in the rotation.

 

There's no question that losing Stroman hurt the team's chances but IMO they should have never leaned so heavily on a 23 year old with a total of 130 major league innings under his belt. Expecting so much out of him when he still had so much to prove was a fools errand. Yet again AA goes into the season essentially hoping that everything works out and when it doesn't, we're left with a bunch of 'what ifs' which really can't be labeled as anything but excuses!

[Governator]

There's no question that losing Stroman hurt the team's chances but IMO they should have never leaned so heavily on a 23 year old with a total of 130 major league innings under his belt. Expecting so much out of him when he still had so much to prove was a fools errand. Yet again AA goes into the season essentially hoping that everything works out and when it doesn't, we're left with a bunch of 'what ifs' which really can't be labeled as anything but excuses!

 

Again, I don't disagree and I'm not defending AA. All I'm suggesting is that the current result could be different if Stroman didn't have to miss the entire season from a freak injury. Why couldn't it have been Dickey instead lol?

[baubau]

2 good decisions do not overcome several bad ones

 

Let's see

 

Francisco trade

Dickey trade

Reyes Trade

Izturis signing

Gomes trade

Happ trade

 

How do you feel about those

 

The Dickey and Reyes trades were franchise crippling trades. Essentially killing the franchise for half a decade

 

I am on the "strongly disapprove" on AA and I agree with what you are saying, but I wouldn't hold the Happ trade against him. I can't fault a GM for a player wanting to run out and train at night and not see a sprinkler.

I would hold the Lind trade against him. As good as Estrata has been for the Jays, Lind provides more value. Depth is another issue I hold over AA.

 

Overall good trades:

 

- Donaldson

- Travis

- Morrow

- Wells

- Rasmus

- Lawrie

- Happ (People may argue that we gave up too much, but its looking good in hindsight now)

- Villanueva

- Delebar

- Escobar (for him)

- Valencia

 

Terrible trades/players lost:

 

- Hill

- Snider

- Synder/TDA

- Escobar/Hech/Marisnick/Alverez

- Jomes/Ailves

- Lind

 

If AA hadn't made the two trades, he would probably have been a solid GM. Instead he has increased payroll without providing any further value to the team. Its like flipping a house and AA is the contractor. He is just making this a money pit.

[Jimcanuck]

 

Terrible trades/players lost:

 

- Hill

- Snider

- Synder/TDA

- Escobar/Hech/Marisnick/Alverez

- Jomes/Ailves

- Lind

 

If AA hadn't made the two trades, he would probably have been a solid GM. Instead he has increased payroll without providing any further value to the team. Its like flipping a house and AA is the contractor. He is just making this a money pit.

 

Would not classify the Lind or Snider trades as terrible. Also, will not be surprised if Smoak and Lind have same wRC+ at end of season, and we know there is no comparison on the D. The Hill trade was understandable, just didn't work in Jays favour.

 

The others, yes, terrible, stupid trades along with Napoli.

[baubau]

Would not classify the Lind or Snider trades as terrible. Also, will not be surprised if Smoak and Lind have same wRC+ at end of season, and we know there is no comparison on the D.

 

Snider has provided 2 WAR over the past 2 seasons, Lincoln provided the Jays with -0.4 WAR. Even looking past that, Snider would fill a void of OF depth for the team. While there is no comparison on the D Lind is also a more consistent hitter than Smoak. Don't get me wrong, I like Smoak and hope he pans out, but I cannot see why Smoak should be over Lind at this time.

[Jimcanuck]

Snider has provided 2 WAR over the past 2 seasons, Lincoln provided the Jays with -0.4 WAR. Even looking past that, Snider would fill a void of OF depth for the team. While there is no comparison on the D Lind is also a more consistent hitter than Smoak. Don't get me wrong, I like Smoak and hope he pans out, but I cannot see why Smoak should be over Lind at this time.

 

Let me clarify. I agree they were not good or even neutral trades, just would not classify as terrible.

 

As for Smoak, there is another year of control I believe, whereas Lind is a free agent at the end of the year. Picking up Smoak, and moving Lind for Estrada was a good sequence of moves.

[KingKat]

Don't get me wrong, I like Smoak and hope he pans out, but I cannot see why Smoak should be over Lind at this time.

 

Because Estrada?

[glory]

The three consecutive trades he made in 2012 (Gomes, Marlins, Dickey) were franchise crippling. There's almost no chance to climb out of that unless every other move he made panned out, and while some were good, it wasn't nearly enough.

 

He also gets negative points for thinking so little of coaching value that he hired a manager who was shocked he was even considered for the job, and kept a pitching coach on for three years while nearly every pitcher that shakes Walker's hand somehow regresses immediately. When your roster moves are not up to par and your choice of on-field management is just as bad, it's not a good combo.

[Jimcanuck]

The three consecutive trades he made in 2012 (Gomes, Marlins, Dickey) were franchise crippling. There's almost no chance to climb out of that unless every other move he made panned out, and while some were good, it wasn't nearly enough.

 

He also gets negative points for thinking so little of coaching value that he hired a manager who was shocked he was even considered for the job, and kept a pitching coach on for three years while nearly every pitcher that shakes Walker's hand somehow regresses immediately. When your roster moves are not up to par and your choice of on-field management is just as bad, it's not a good combo.

 

When Beeston is replaced we might find out what really happened in 2012 and who made the decisions. The 2012 trades were anomalies. The trades before and after have been either good or debatable at least.

[CHRIS]

Overall I said strongly disapprove, mostly on the basis of whether or not I think this team can win the World Series with him as a GM.

 

I get that he isn't the worst GM in the game and has made some nice moves, but the problem I have is that it always seems to be the same MO with him; build 80% of a solid roster and then basically punt the last 20%. Guys that start off struggling seem to get blackballed, and guys that start off well seem to get so much rope, even when they devolve into terribleness.

 

Obviously we could have it worse (RAJ), but I don't think the possibility of being worse is enough for him to earn any sort of positive endorsement for his 6 year track record, IMO.

[SultanofPoon]

The 12 people who voted approve are Yankees trolls or brain dead and should jump off a high building lol. The facts don't lie he has done a poor job period.

 

The Dickey and marlins deals alone are fire worthy . Not addressing the teams biggest issues for multiple offseason.